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 No.484995[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

One Year of Genocide

Continued from >>483169

Updates since the start of the last thread:
The (largely civilian) Palestinian death toll has now passed 42,000. With over 10,000 missing, it's expected that current estimates are lower than the actual death toll, and excess deaths have been estimated by The Lancet to plausibly be upwards of 186,000.

Hamas political leader and negotiator Ismail Haniyeh was killed in Tehran by an Israeli bombing.

Israel sabotaged the international supply chain to put bombs in 3,000 pagers and other electronic devices in Lebanon, resulting in thousands of injuries and several deaths, in a major blow to both Hezbollah and the Lebanese civilian population.

Israel launched an ongoing series of carpet bombings of the Lebanese capital of Beirut, killing several high-ranking Hezbollah commanders. A strike dubbed "Operation New Order" which used 80 2,000 lb bombs took out several blocks of apartment buildings and killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah on September 27, and also killed an IRGC commander.

In early October, Israel began launching ground invasions of south Lebanon, which are ongoing and have met resistance. Thousands have been killed, and over a million displaced.

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 No.487342

The Gaza death toll is now at 61,709.
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Today!
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 No.487381

Netanyahu prepares to fly to meet Trump at White House

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will depart on Sunday for the United States to meet President Donald Trump, his office says.

Netanyahu has been invited to visit Trump at the White House on Tuesday and they will discuss the situation in Gaza, captives held in the Palestinian territory, and dealings with Iran and its regional allies.

Deadly Israeli attack on home in besieged Jenin camp

Smoke is rising from a destroyed home as a result of the Israeli military incursion into Jenin refugee camp in the occupied West Bank, local news reports say.

One person was killed and several wounded after the bombing of “a group of young men” inside an eastern neighbourhood in Jenin, the Shehab news agency said. The Israeli attack on the home came on the 12th day of raids on the camp.

Israeli public being told ceasefire deal unlikely to succeed

Former Israeli Ambassador Alon Pinkas says the Israeli public is being exposed to “a new narrative” in the past 24 hours.
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As Netanyahu Visits U.S., Palestinian Americans Call on DOJ to Enforce ICC Arrest Warrant for Crimes in Gaza
Justice sought by five U.S. citizens who collectively lost hundreds of family members during Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza

February 4, 2025, New York – Today, as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu meets with President Trump in Washington, Palestinian Americans are calling on the Department of Justice to investigate Netanyahu for genocide, torture, and war crimes, and to enforce the International Criminal Court’s arrest warrant for his leading role in war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza. A submission sent on their behalf by the Center for Constitutional Rights urges the DOJ’s Human Rights and Special Prosecution Section to proceed with investigations and prosecution, and to immediately effectuate Netanyahu’s surrender to the court in The Hague for further proceedings.

“The person who is responsible for the killing and displacement of my entire family in Gaza, and who has an outstanding ICC warrant for his arrest, is being greeted with a red carpet at the White House. This is shameful, and sends the world a message that there is no accountability for genocide,” said Basim Elkarra.

read more: https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/netanyahu-visits-us-palestinian-americans-call-doj-enforce-icc
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Trump suspends tariffs on Mexico for a month after talks with Claudia Sheinbaum
Sheinbaum announced that her government will deploy 10,000 National Guard troops immediately to curb drug trafficking, particularly that of fentanyl, while Washington has committed to combating illegal firearms trafficking. “Our teams will start working today on two aspects: security and trade,” the Mexican president added.
https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2025-02-03/trump-suspends-tariffs-on-mexico-for-a-month-after-talks-with-claudia-sheinbaum.html
https://archive.ph/BvgfW

‘Hope has returned’: tribe hails Lula’s fight against illegal mining in Amazon
Now, however, the 38-year-old Yanomami leader believed things were looking up. Two years after Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva became president and launched an emergency operation to rescue inhabitants of Brazil’s largest Indigenous territory, hunger and infant mortality rates were falling and many miners had been expelled.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/03/yanomami-tribe-lula-illegal-mining-amazon

Argentines protest President Milei’s diatribe against ‘wokeism’ at Davos
Protesters were clad in rainbow-colored flags and bore banners that read “rights are not negotiable.” Dubbed the “Federal March of Anti-Fascist and Anti-Racist Pride,” the LGBTQ+ community called the protest after the speech on Jan. 23 to combat “the economic violence, political persecution and sexual repression of Javier Milei’s government.” Rights’ groups, unions and political parties also joined the protest.
https://apnews.com/article/argentina-milei-davos-protest-lgbtq-32104fd11a76d1cf55817bb2bafdc354

Modi government rolls out tax cuts in effort to stimulate growth
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US Judge Delivers Another Blow to 'Harmful' Trump Funding Freeze
District Judge Loren AliKhan issued a temporary restraining order following her administrative stay last week. While her initial block on the policy prompted the Trump administration to rescind the relevant memo from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), both AliKhan and District Judge John J. McConnell Jr. of Rhode Island determined that further action was needed, citing White House messaging.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/funding-freeze

Trump administration opens antisemitism inquiries at 5 colleges including Columbia and Berkeley
Along with Columbia and Berkeley, the department is now investigating the University of Minnesota, Northwestern University and Portland State University. The cases were opened using the department’s power to launch its own civil rights reviews, unlike the majority of investigations, which stem from complaints.
https://apnews.com/article/college-antisemitism-columbia-berkeley-1f7ad6abc1b4e40e59b67e639a29a6ec

US Senate confirms fracking CEO Chris Wright to be Trump’s energy secretary
He wrote in a Liberty report last year that he believes human-caused climate change is real, but that its hazards are “distant and uncertain”. He has also said that top-down governmental policies to curb it are destined to fail. However, Wright has called climate change activists alarmist and has likened efforts by Democrats to combat global warming to Soviet-style communism.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/03/trump-energy-secretary-chris-wright-confirmed

Trump's Billionaire Appointee Targets Consumer Protections by Halting All CFPB Operations
Soon after taking charge of the CFPB, Bessent ordered the bureau to "stop all rulemaking, communications, litigation, and other activities," Bloomberg Lawreported Monday, citing an email to agency staff.
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CP of Kurdistan-Iraq, Banning the Activities of Syrian Communists is a Gross Violation of Basic Human Rights
In a predictable move that exposes the political approach of the new Syrian government, which replaced the former dictatorial regime, the new political leadership decided in its meeting on January 29 to ban the activities of Syrian communists and their parties. These parties have been active for over a hundred years, during which the communists engaged in a difficult struggle for the people's livelihood and the freedom of the homeland. They consistently took a clear stance against all forms of oppression, the confiscation of fundamental rights, and the dictatorial practices of the previous regime, working openly in politics without resorting to violence or seeking the support of regional or foreign powers.
http://www.solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Kurdistan-Iraq-Banning-the-Activities-of-Syrian-Communists-is-a-Gross-Violation-of-Basic-Human-Rights/

Class Struggle and the Relation of Forces Under Trump 2.0: Three Counter-Tendencies to the Rightward Shift
The victory of Donald Trump in late 2024 no doubt marked a shift to the right in the political situation. Not because Harris and the Democrats offered any valid working-class alternative — they did not. But Trump’s victory set in motion a right-wing agenda that, altogether, amounts to a bold attempt to redefine the balance of class forces in the United States, instrumentally couched in a vociferous, nationalist cry for reclaiming and fortifying the country’s hegemonic role in the world. Yet we would be remiss if we understood current changes as an unequivocal shift to the right. Trump 2.0 represents an emboldened pro-capitalist, imperialist agenda. But his election was also the rightward expression of a widespread discontent with a dysfunctional economic and political system: a rejection of the status quo by increasing sectors of American society, particularly among the working class. Trump’s agenda is simultaneously an attack on workers’ rights and a catalyst for class struggle, and thus an opportunity for forces on the Left to organize collective actions, lead efforts to defend or expand our rights, and advance a working-class program. TherPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.487375

>Trump suspends tariffs on Mexico for a month after talks with Claudia Sheinbaum
>Sheinbaum announced that her government will deploy 10,000 National Guard troops immediately to curb drug trafficking,
The cynic in me thinks that this was Trump asking Mexico to give him a PR-win

>particularly that of fentanyl
Fentanyl-flows into the US does have a bit of an Opium-war vibe, and Trump going after that has Maoist clean society energy, but wouldn't he have to spank Pharma companies too ? It sounds like a synthetic compound that would be produced in a big chemical factory, not something that's grown in fields by a cartel in Mexico.

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 No.482369[Reply]

The US Supreme court has decided to hear the case, fueling speculation they will side with those wanting to criminalize public homelessness.

With the approval of the California governor as well.

This recently came to a head in Grants Pass Oregon, a small Republican county with almost 2% homelessness. Their approach so far was over 500 criminal citations being given to their homeless for sleeping in parks until a circuit court stopped Grants Pass from issuing further citations. Now Grants Pass is asking the supreme court to give explicit permission to all states to criminalize public homelessness.
https://apnews.com/article/grants-pass-oregon-supreme-court-homeless-encampments-a8dcddb518bd76b11d409666c06701b8

The DOJ disagrees however, stating “Regardless of any future Supreme Court ruling, the law” is clear that “officers lack reasonable suspicion to stop people for merely sleeping on public property when they have nowhere else to sleep,” in a criminal complaint against Phoenix Arizona's treatment of the homeless. https://prospect.org/justice/2024-06-20-scotus-homelessness-doj-war-on-poor-phoenix/

The subreddit r/SanFrancisco is also celebrating the possibility of public homelessness being illegal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1cale76/supreme_court_likely_to_side_with_grants_pass_on/

What is your take on this /leftypol/? The war on the homeless is in full swing.
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Made a thread for raiding the liberal r/SanFrancisco forum who have been calling for the arrest of their homeless there in massively upvoted threads for weeks, join me in the raid

https://leftychan.net/i/res/1972.html
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 No.487370

>>482388
>Homelessness is caused mainly by land speculation
Long term homelessness is almost entirely caused by antisocial personality disorders and severe mental illness. You could literally built a brand new city for Homeless people with free housing, and the place would be trashed within a month with most of the copper ripped from the walls and people stabbing eachother and dying in the gutter from Fent.
Yes, Short term homelessness, or "invisible homelessness" is caused entirely by landlords, I've actually been in this situation several times having to live in hostels for months on end, and all of this due to asshole landlords, but due to this I spent a whole lot of time around the long term homeless, and most of them were complete fucking, hyper-manipulative psychopathic shitheads who are so predatory they end up stabbing in the back and burning bridges with people even trying to help them.
Look at Rajneeshpuram in Oregon, Homeless were literally put in a utopian society, free housing, good jobs, free education, hundreds of hippie girls personally looking after them, and what did the Homeless do? trash the place, assault and rape people. It got so bad the Rajneshee's literally had to secretly drug their food with sleeping pills and quite literally pile them into buses while unconscious and dump them in the closest city.
You are not going to solve homelessness through just housing. Doing this just leads to at best, entire slum areas of high crime and trap houses, Public Housing is obviously the socialist solution to general housing, but majority of long term homeless should unironically be put into Asylum camps.
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 No.487371

>>482412
Long term homeless in the USSR were literally mass institutionalized. Police would also often just turn up, beat the shit out of them, drag them to get a haircut and shave and shove them in some shitty mining job or whatever.
Socialist socities were not kind to visible Lumpen. Being labelled a Lumpen was pretty much the worst of worst insults and social status in the USSR. (and is even a venomous insult across Eastern Europe/Russia today)
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 No.487372

>>487370
>Long term homelessness is almost entirely caused by antisocial personality disorders and severe mental illness.
<Don't blame the people in charge
<blame their victims
Will you look at that juicy bit of ruling ideology.

The existence of homelessness is 100% a political choice. You really could simply have a public housing program that grants everybody a house. Also you are incorrect we have never tested anything like this because, such a program would need to run for a very long time until you could draw any conclusions. And you also need some kind of protection system because obviously public housing would impact the bottom line of powerful capitalists who would try to sabotage this project. So be mindful when find allegedly failed public housing programs. Realestate hedge-funds are really powerful and they do try to sabotage public housing programs.

Further more threatening people with homelessness probably causes a bunch of mental illness. So lets not invert cause and effect.
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 No.487373

>>487371
>Long term homeless in the USSR were literally mass institutionalized.
But the Soviets had very few mental hospitals and not many people were institutionalized. So that certainly can't account for the almost none existent level of homelessness in the USSR.
Just give up, the Soviets did pretty OK, in terms of providing housing for their people. At least for that time-period and conditions. A commie-block apartment like a Khrushovka (spelling is definitely wrong), which was the most common type, would still be better housing compared to what the bottom 2 billion people have today. Because it had plumbing, fresh-water, stable electricity and central heating.

>Police would also often just turn up, beat the shit out of them,
This sounds like made up rhetoric from cold war propaganda.

>Socialist socities were not kind to visible Lumpen. Being labelled a Lumpen was pretty much the worst of worst insults and social status in the USSR.
Now i know you are making this shit up. The worst insult in the USSR was being called a "Kulak" (spelling might be wrong). Kulaks owned large swaths of farmland and during the early Soviet period they set grain on fire to drive up prices, during a period of severe food shortage no less. You can imagine how that would piss people off and turn their title into an insult.

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What's the deal with the degrowthists ?

For example this perspective from An Independent Socialist Magazine
<The Chinese government has promised to reduce the emission intensity of GDP so that China’s carbon dioxide emissions will peak before 2030.27 However, economic growth remains the Chinese government’s top priority. At the Twentieth National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping reconfirmed the objective to raise China’s per capita GDP to the level of “medium-level developed countries” by 2035 and to make China a leading global power by 2050. What will be the impact on ecological sustainability if China continues pursuing economic growth in the next several decades?
https://monthlyreview.org/2023/07/01/degrowing-china-by-collapse-redistribution-or-planning/
I suspect that the monthlyreview might have a anti-China bias based on their recent articles, which is tangential to the threat topic

Why are they seething that China wants to thrive economically while at the same time improving their ecological foot-print. Why would any socialist want to degrow ? If you read Marx he celebrates advancing the productive forces as something that will make socialism possible. To me de-growth sounds like people looking to go back to feudal agrarianism, rather than forward to socialism. They appear to be looking to undo the advances in productive capacity of industrial society. Like what used to be right-wing anti-capitalism 200 years ago, basically affluent people that were mad that industrial society could produce enough to end poverty. Why are there self proclaimed socialists pushing this ? Do they not realize that it would dramatically worsen living conditions for proles ? Is that the goal ? wrecking living standards of people while appearing to be a champion for noble causes ?

To me degrowth appears as a deception because it will not improve environmental conditions. More advanced technology is enabled by more potent productive forces, and those generally are less polluting. Like nuclear fission and fusion make much more energy while polluting significantly less than chemical fuel based power-generation. If you "de-grow" the economy you will also regress in technology. All the advanced tech stuff we can Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>487245
>degrowth is etheir more about `low metabolism`
yeah don't do bio-politics, it will lead you towards reactionary positions.

We probably should build 5000 nuclear reactors (for the entire world) and lots of trains.

>>487246
I think degrowth is just a veil for neo-liberal austerity and the failed policy of de-industrialization. There is no reason to think it will improve repairability of consumer goods. And scaling down industrial production will likely cause an increase in work.

>Pro-growth seems harder to defend,
That's clearly wrong. If you have economic growth in the productive sectors, and technological advancement you can produce more with less labor and as a result it becomes possible to improve living conditions for people, and reduce the amount of time people have to work.

During the social democratic period after WW2 when industrial productivism was the guiding principle, Living conditions improved, work-time reduced, and labor conditions also improved. So it's not only easy to defend, it's easy to prove.

>I think it only makes sense if robot productivity is measured instead of human productivity
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 No.487260

>>476743
>Why does it need to "grow", like capitalism?
Material conditions need to continue to improve. Every worker should be more powerful the next year than the previous year. After all the more free-time, materials and energy you have the more you can self-actualize.

You only need to be as sustainable as to optimally grow.

tl;dr socialism is about getting rich
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 No.487303

> That's clearly wrong. If you have economic growth in the productive sectors, and technological advancement you can produce more with less labor and as a result it becomes possible to improve living conditions for people, and reduce the amount of time people have to work.

Technological advancement doesn't require overall economic growth. You're just assuming it does, when it doesn't.
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>>487303
>Technological advancement doesn't require overall economic growth. You're just assuming it does, when it doesn't.
There are incremental technological advances that require nothing more than brain effort.

But all the big tech advances only happened once the economy grew large enough to support it. Like for example a lot of tech was made possible by experimental research. There are a lot of scientific experiments that require a lot of energy and exotic materials, it would not have been possible to do these without a big and sophisticated industrial base.

But it's not just research. There is a very strong trend where more advanced materials cost more energy to make. Arranging molecules in more complex ways usually comes with more energy costs and a larger number of resource-inputs, that's the direction of a growing economy. If you are looking at synthesis of fancy super-materials like graphene, there actually are physical barriers that make it impossible to do this at low energy levels.

Microchip fabs that produce smaller chip-structures consume more energy, even bio-tech consumers a lot of embodied energy. Meaning going smaller equals using more energy/resources.

In general
bigger economy equals better tech.
growing economy equals improving tech.

Some technologies aren't doable on earth at all, and you need to establish a large industrial base in space to make it happen. I'm thinking about micro black holes, those have a few interesting applications, but if you produce a micro black hole on earth it'll just fall towards the center of the earth, and then pass through it, and then oscillate through the planet back and forth. Yes i said through, micro black holes are so small that they're not likely to interact even if they pass through a planet. To use something like that you need to be able to put a very large machine into planetary orbit. The economic power of humanity currently is probably 100 times to small to make something like this happen.
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 No.487305[Reply]

Tell you some fact about me.
1.I love nature and want to protect it
2. I think capitalism was horrific mistake.
3. Love my mother and family.
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 No.487306

are you an eco-fascist? otherwise, what does fascism mean to you?
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 No.487307

>I think capitalism was horrific mistake
So you're not a fascist.
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>>487307
>Nu communists finding out about falangism straserism etc etc
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 No.487310

>>487306
I just love nature its not same directly same as fascism.

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Has propaganda changed in the last decade? The sheer audacity of the mass media over the past few years on any subject of American imperialism has seemed to be a never-ending rollercoaster of escalations. Every time you think they've made the most stupifying, incredulous assertion you've ever heard, a month later they've moved onto something even dumber. I thought the level of propaganda around the Syrian war was unprecedented, but then the Ukraine proxy war happened. I thought, then, that the Ukraine proxy war has never seen a more extreme demonstration of endless lies. Lies about how it started, lies about how it's going, lies about where it's headed. An endless stream of brazen lies, it's been truly shocking just how much bullshit they expect the public to swallow without question. And then the Palestinian genocide began. Now Israeli fascists will post videos on social media of themselves committing barbaric massacres that everyone in the world can view, yet the mass media still wants us to believe the fiction of them being some kind of humanistic, moral democracy.

Is there a trend here? Does it seem like there's been a real change in the audacity of the empire's propaganda machines? Were previous imperial ventures this extreme in their attempts to deceive the public? Is it just the benefit of hindsight? I really feel like previous imperial ventures didn't have this level of Orwellian spin peddled on a daily basis.
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The Bush era was worse imo than Syria and Ukraine - the height of the "war on terror" was completely insane. Imo it's not until the past couple years that it's really topped that.

The thing with the Bush era was that there really seemed to be an American base for it. Like, there were really lots of people who believed it, until the Abu Ghraib stuff most people in America actually weren't seeing that much of what was being done in Iraq, a crazy amount of people fell for Bush's "they hate our freedoms" bullshit.
What's crazy is watching them try the same shit now when most of the public sees right through it. The American political and media establishment very obviously wants the public to still be in "war on terror" mode, and it's really jarring watching them use the same insane language and talking points and lies from the Bush era when the average person knows they're lying and hears this stuff and is repulsed by it.
It is definitely more brazen in my view, and people should be very worried about that. The suppression has been incredibly aggressive, and it's not going to stop. Europeans desperately need to take the reigns of their own countries so that they collapse with the US, and Americans desperately need to seize the organs of state before they are wholly destroyed. America should abolish Zionism, end all colonial endeavors, and use its natural and human wealth to build a great nation for all which will no longer invade anyone but still have nukes.
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 No.487177

>>487174
>Now Israeli fascists will post videos on social media of themselves committing barbaric massacres
Please stop disparaging the Barbarians by comparing them to the Zionists. You know the Barbarians probably were the victims of propaganda too.

>Were previous imperial ventures this extreme in their attempts to deceive the public?
No, no, no, that's not how this type of propaganda works. People understand that these propaganda claims are bullshitt, deception only works when it's very subtle propaganda, that falsifies details.

The goal of asinine lunatic propaganda claims is to peer pressure people into repeating the nonsense, and then make people feel they have to defend it because they invested their own reputation in those claims. The goal is to create a situation where everybody pretends to believe it, and shape their own actions to maintain the pretense. The goal of propaganda is to shape behavior, not believes.

Propaganda almost never is capable of defeating reason with deception, even very stupid people usually can reason well enough to see through propaganda. The goal of propaganda is psychological hacks that circumvent reasoning. Maybe revisit the children's story of the emperor with no clothes to get an idea.

>Is there a trend here? Does it seem like there's been a real change in the audacity of the empire's propaganda machines?
>Were previous imperial ventures this extreme in their attempts to deceive the public?
It's still not as bad as the historic propaganda the British colonial empire did on "the savages" or the stuff the Fascists put out during WW2 on the Soviets. I would say the current setting in propaganda is like medium insanity

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 No.487296

I think part of it might be the higher degree of internet connectedness now, which is enabling people to very quickly confront extraordinary claims with actual reality in a way that wasn't possible in the past.

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 No.487293[Reply]

"A primitive; radical cell is best organized in a militaristic, wrathful and amoral way in order to erode the tyranny of the industrial age which continues to consume humanity, internally and externally, leaving a path of ecological sorrow wherever a factory may dump its waste." — @ChimeraMidnight
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 No.487295

Tell us more

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 No.471175[Reply]

Are there any radical environmentalist anti capitalist forums, threads, or private chats you know of?
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 No.471190

no, i'm not a member of the communist party, officer
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 No.471264

Radical as in?
Terrorism is bad pr.
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 No.471269

>>471264
>Terrorism is bad pr.
So is socialism.
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 No.487292


Anons, are my twitter views politically incorrect enough?

@ChimeraMidnight

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 No.487286[Reply]

Can you guys read crimethink: days of war, nights of love it’s gemmy
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 No.487287

Maybe. Tell me more about it!
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>>487287
it’s a keyed Anarchist book made like 20 years ago it has a bunch of memorable quotes and it’s kinda like a manual for your own freedom and stuff
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>>487288
Gimme some quotes!

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 No.484609[Reply]

I think Antarctica should be annexed to Russia, China or the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
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 No.484618

How hard would it be to organize workers in Antarctica? Could it be the first truly communist landmass?
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 No.484659

>>484610
There are likely valuable resources in and around Antarctica. However, controlling these territories requires complete naval dominance, a capability that only the U.S. possesses.
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 No.484800

>>484609
Antarctica is 4 white bears people
Fake jucheoid face the wall race traitor
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>>484618
i have read something about these polar-bases

basically its mostly normies while some interesting engineering
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 No.487264

>>484618
>>484659
>>487243
These bases in the arctic circle are dependent on cargo-plane deliveries for basically everything. They can't be organized because there's no bargaining power.

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