/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Also, the crux of the article isn't that the Supreme Court is right-wing, it's that it's presently approving of bans on sleeping in public. Like if there was an article about stromtroopers going house to house murdering people, I swear some of you would be like "yeah, I knew these right-wing stormtroopers were gonna do it, why do these reporters act like it's some big revelation?"

>>480793
Yes I would be, because it reads hilariously and it's clear the people at wsws have a stunning lack of self-awarenes.

>>480797
>sees article about draconian homeless bans
>takes issue with the tone of the article rather than its contents
You're either purposefully wasting my time or you have a stick so far up your own posterior that you don't realize you're wasting both of our time by coming into this thread with this childish nonsense. Do better.

Kill all cops tbh

>>480816
Lenin be like

>>480762
There is no solution for the former United States. Its people can only endure this onslaught. It started in earnest in 1981, and there is no off switch for what was already done to us.

One thing that will happen is that the last pretenses that "the US" is a thing are going away, so it will be merged with the Anglo countries. The "balkanization" is a way to get Americans to keep killing each other over retarded shit while eugenics keeps winning and stealing everyone's shit. There are no political solutions.

Right now I'm thinking more about existing in spite of the institutions, in spite of any "general plan", since anyone who has state support does not want us to live. It's that simple, and all of the efforts to speak of it as a policy reform ignore all of the damage that has already been done. If anyone has any interest in anything useful, that is a different question, one that the state and "society" categorically refuse to answer. There is nothing left of the republic but eugenics, which means the republic will refuse to die and will ensure we keep suffering for decades to come.

They have succeeded in one thing - when this is finally over, humanity will never allow a republic to exist ever again. If it exists, it would only operate at the level of a city, and would be clearly subordinate to a despotic government. That is the only option left, because any "other system" was deliberately attacked and destroyed any time it attempted to form. By now, any "other system" would require humans to become very different creatures, and this step is one that eugenics and its successors will disallow under any circumstances. It would mean giving up on humanity altogether and doing some thing that hasn't been done before.

I have no reason to shut up about this or act like anything I've lived through is a working society. They did everything humanly possible to run anything that made a republic worth keeping into the ground, and then insisted it can never die as an idea.

So, there is no "overthrow". Everything since 2000 has locked in this course that eugenics set, and those who would do the "overthrowing" see no reason to end the chokehold on humanity. That's the "revolution" they intend for us - more blood for the blood god. Eugenics is a genuinely revolutionary doctrine, in which the middle class locks ranks as compradors and cannibalizes everything in its path. That is the only image of revolution allowed to exist and it is appealing to that middle class which has always been drawn to revolution as their narrative. The masses are not revolutionary because revolutions are fucking horrible for them, and give them nothing. What the masses wanted was for this beast, in total, to never be a part of their life again, and that is exactly what is on offer. The Party of Order has already made its pledge in not-too-subtle language that they will get politics out of your life forever. Of course, they don't intend to actually "get politics out of your life" - just eliminate any pretense that you can tell the politicians no ever again. Hence, "Yes We Can" - that is an affirmation of the middle class "Jehad", and Obama got them marching in lockstep for pure eugenism. What Labour wants now has been an op to bring them in line with that, and take the leadership on that issue in the Empire. The reasons the Americans bow out is because there is not one American who can even present himself as a serious representative. Obama was a one-off, and in many ways, Obama continues to be the "man behind the man", a sort of political guru or boss in America because the liberals have no one else and don't need anyone else.

At this time, the empire sees depopulation as its chief political imperative. They don't need more profit or wealth extraction, since they own everything they need to rule. It is the human beings who present the greatest threat and asset to their rule. The imperative is no longer to manage labor in the abstract. They're going direct now.

I expect the outcome in the US won't be "balkanization", but a declaration that the United States is no more in the near future - maybe by the end of this year - and the proclamation of a new union that is stridently eugenist and makes opposition to eugenics the greatest and sole crime.

That has already been the status quo, but they want to make it official, so that the remaining legal and institutional barriers are dissolved. That's what the CARES Act is - placing all of those people made homeless in death camps and torturing them with glee. Satanic race.

>>480313
If anything, the unrestrained march of idpol only showed the absolute bankruptcy of the l*ft as a whole. It would be good to have even 0.5% of population to be confidently, revolutionally educated in the matter of class relations & how these relations can be possibly supported. Alas, >a half of them would be schizophrenics or just fucked up in the head too much by their previous experiences with the world to be of any good use.
Tl;Dr They were never our allies in the first place, so nothing's lost.

>>480687
The "class conscious" ideologues don't even know what a social class is and keep relitigating who is in the working class based on their preferred models of reality. If you were really interested in class struggle, you would see that there is no working class any more, and the remnants of it have been utterly defeated. They were openly abandoned by all political factions a long time ago. There isn't going to be a form of mass politics ever again, or at least not for a very long time, and never again on the same basis you believed to be operative. If there is any mass politics, it will be far in the future, and the entities who would be political agents would be very different creatures from us, in a different situation. At this point, mass politics is so far removed from any reality we live in, and that was the goal above any other in social engineering. You people shit on democracy because you're fags, and think this is about your fake parties - faker than most college leftoid groups.

If you are so weak that "idpol" is a threat to your movement, it shows just how toothless "the left" has become. But, that was always a red herring, an excuse and talking point so that rightoids could enter the socialist area and spread stupidity and faggotry.

>How do leftists cope with being the useful idiots of capitalists?
By forming unions.
Duh.

>>480729
That's not really cope that's doing what we can.

>>468628
No one is saying they aren't petty bourgeoisie, but, I think they are worse, like, as people. At least busniess owners operate something useful for society and have some kind of push back IE their labor force but I have literally never met a landlord that wasn't a complete POS and they don't even operate anything useful. They just take what already exists and exploits the labor of some one souly through the ownership of it; Something people require for survival no less. If we did this with food there would be riots.

>>468406
I threatened to do this once to my landlord and they freaked out and called the popo

>>480213
bad opsec

>>480213
Never let your so-called mans know your plans

>>468406
>Victor King
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>>480312
yaaaas queen cut it off now before she kills herself! END TRANS GENOCIDE

OP bring your faggotry elsewhere.

>>480299
<still shilling haz
it's your faggot board who still shills that retard

>op has nothing to do with trans
>replies immediately start on about transhumanists
<nooo we are not like /pol/

Lmao the jokes write themselves

>mod democracy

You have the wrong board you dumb ape uyghur.

>>480520
Yep. Did.

Thousands participate in global protests targeting economic arteries and weapons manufacturers

On April 15, thousands of peaceful protesters around the world demonstrated against the ongoing US-Israeli genocide in Gaza by blocking traffic on major bridges, roadways, airports, and inside and outside the offices of weapons contractors and government buildings.

As of this writing protests, some involving a few dozen people, while others have drawn in several hundred, have taken place in Melbourne, Australia; Gothenburg, Sweden; Barcelona and Tarragona, Spain; Zwolle and Utrecht, Netherlands; Copenhagen, Denmark; Swalwell, Leeds and London, England; Halifax, Nova Scotia; Ottawa, Ontario; Vancouver, British Columbia; Montreal, Quebec; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Chicago, Illinois; New York City; Elizabeth, New Jersey; Eugene, Oregon; Oakland and San Francisco, California; San Antonio, Texas; Washington D.C. and many other cities.

Defying police violence, job loss and “antisemitism” slanders for over six months, millions of people around the world have participated in protests against the US-NATO-backed Israeli genocide in Gaza. Since October 7, the Israeli military, supplied with billions of dollars in bombs, bullets and missiles by the US government, has killed over 33,000 Palestinians, according to the official count by the Gaza Health Ministry, although the true death toll is likely far higher.

On April 11, human rights organization Euro-Med Monitor released a report estimating that in addition to the over 33,000 dead, another 13,000 Palestinians were missing “under debris, buried in indiscriminate mass graves, or forcibly disappeared in Israeli prisons and detention facilities, where some have been been killed.”

The organization divided the missing into four categories: dead buried under the rubble, dead buried in mass graves or “in haphazard individual” graves, those whose bodies have been exhumed by the Israeli military and stolen/relocated, and those whose fate is unknown. The organization had previously documented more than “120 random mass graves.” Recently, the organization working with rescue teams and civil defense crews, recovered 422 Palestinian bodies at the Al-Shifa Medical Complex and in Khan Younis following the temporary withdrawal of the Israeli military.

On Monday, Al Jazeera reported that another mass grave had been discovered at Al-SPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>480533
sauce: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/16/myjd-a16.html

>>480510
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>>480533
Woah so much Pure Ideology

The are no "unemployed people". Unemployment is an attribute of economic systems like capitalism, it's not an attribute of people.

Socialism has full-employment policy hence it has no unemployment. Feudalism had 90% unemployment because 90% of the people were agrarian serfs that weren't payed a wage by an employer. This clearly proves it's a system-attribute. Technically speaking most capitalists aren't really employed workers either.

>>480394
>The economic relations in the Soviet Union had some left over feudal and capitalist relations, and the dominant mode of production was lower stage socialism.
I don't believe in lower stages, communism, and other shit that doesn't logically follow from histmat.

We have empirical (ie historical) data only about two industrial modes of production: ancient-industrial and asicatic-industrial. That's it.

So your appeals to pulled out of the ass future stages means nothing to me.

>Which did not produce class divisions.
It did.

Class composition of the SU was extensively analyzed by Voslensky in his "Nomenklatura" from marxist positions.

It took a person ACTUALLY LIVING under that mode of production to actually analyze its class character. Duh.

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>assuming one ideological school is universally applicable
ISHYGDDT

Material conditions, people.

>>480405
So your ideology is that material conditions matter more than anything else.

>>480406
Prove it.

>>480407
And now your ideology is that assertions must be proven. How ideological of you.

>>480266
Youre confusing all education as the same.

Higher education should be more for white collar. Theyre forcing young people to be these absolute polymaths with all this scholastic stuff but theyre scared of teaching young people technical skills.

>>480269
>theyre scared of teaching young people technical skills.
Who's they, and how do we get young people interested in technical tinkering ?

>>480266
there is no reason this shit should be 4 years

KISS, you don't need any math for majority of work

cut the length, cut the costs

1 year and you get your degree, that's what I'm talking about

>>480271
We all start out interested in technical tinkering as kids.

Also by "they", I mean adults in general.

>>480265
The K-12 grade-level educational system was made in Prussia circa the 18th century.
Germans adapted it.

>>480144
>The quickest way is to start the work now and not stop.
So grinding for political power ?
I guess that requires analyzing what the neo-libs do to entrench their power and then use that to fuel the grind, the harder they seek to entrench: the more fuel. This type of activity is incredibly miserable for normal people, we won't be able to do it unless we find a way to counteract the "mental abrasion".

>We need to reindustrialize, and small-scale won't cut it.
The small scale stuff is something that can be done right now.
Reindustrializing only happens as a public sector expansion via appropriate industrial policy, that requires political changes, ie later.

>Yes, they want to militarize
>and we need to prepare to crush that
Sure, reigning in military spending is needed, but how would you achieve that ?
They continue to provoke conflicts to justify military spending.
They make the people in other countries fight and die, to avoid political backlash at home.
If they try to conscript westerners, we'll have a unstoppable peace movement of epic scale within a week, but as long as the dying is externalized…
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>>480133
>just curious, do you see a reason to attempt building alternate distribution system?

You have to pay for shipping, so that means whatever we produce, part of it would have to be sold so that we have cash to pay for our operations. An alternate distribution network would be necessary if we can't do that, or for example if we have perishable food that we need delivered quickly, locally.

Can we think of a commodity that's going to be the most impactful for the people to produce for themselves?
I'm sitting here thinking what to eat for lunch so it's gotta be food right?

Let's think it through:

The criteria should be:

1. It has to make sense for us to produce ourselves, either because it frees us from reliance on corporations, or because it can be made competitively and we get rich, and use that money for socialist shit.

I was going to also include this:
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>>480162
So you want
- food preparation with a local distribution network.
- Value added metal production, for "high tech shit" like machine tools.
Sounds reasonable enough, can i ask why no end-consumer stuff ?

> It has to make sense for us to produce ourselves, either because it frees us from reliance on corporations, or because it can be made competitively and we get rich, and use that money for socialist shit.
I can agree with the idea of reducing corporate dependency.

But if you want to get rich in current conditions, there's basically just energy and war industry, every other sector is getting shafted. Those are very dangerous monopolies that are racking in preposterous profit margins, they will sabotage your operation or just flat out murder you if you compete with them.

>>480171
Actually isn't what I want closer to a commune then?

>>480199
Lets say there is some overlap with a commune.

>>480166
Yeah, that and if you're on there, you're forced to Combat Liberalism a lot

Hi mate, I'm already working that thread from the inside. I'm posting some communist materials where I can, and otherwise riling up the rorkes over there x