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 No.472914[Reply]

When will dorky millenial online activists and state sanctioned leftist influencers (i.e., teachers with twink tok accounts) realize they are making the right seem cool?

Think about it: a lot of hate that vegans receive isn't because people are overly hostile to eating vegetables. It's because vegans themselves brand themselves in a negative light: emotional, effeminate, weak, etc. Additionally, many younger people will naturally rebel against the professed values of the generation ahead of them. When will those who vehemently consider themselves part of the left realize they're actually helping to boost those they claim to oppose?

For context: pic related openly admits to being a cuck and gets offended if you don't praise him for it
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 No.482602

>>482590
It wasn't impossible to "stop capitalism", as if this just happened by anonymous inertia. Throughout their history, the commons were seeking to enter the nobility, and that's what purchasing venal office was. The professions of the commoners that won in the liberal revolutions were already attaining the privileges of the nobility, and the commoners were not a united bloc with a singular ideology as such. It's the same with the ideologies as such of their associations like the Jacobin club and the secret societies. These outfits weren't united by an ideology or a singular thought-form, but were associations of men who climbed the ranks of that social hierarchy. There were liberal nobles who saw the revolution as a way to carry out their intercine struggle in new conditions, if we speak of France. How this worked in England and America is a very different story.
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 No.482603

The ancien regime falls because the agents who would have maintained it saw no reason to continue it. There is a long trajectory of feudal privileges being displaced by the autocratic and despotic tendencies of the 16th-18th centuries, and that trend line didn't really go away with "revolution". It rebranded, found entry into the new way of doing things, and the game of musical chairs settled in the early 19th century.

The revolutions themselves all stem from 1776 in one way or another, and what the British Empire was aiming for to take the world, and their piratical approach to their Empire.
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 No.482604

By time Louis XVI is there, he's a weak king, and doesn't have the heart for intrigue in him. Some would say he was a decent human being by the standards of his class, which doesn't say much, but mostly, the nobility were already distressed with the situation and the games played with the wealth of the nation - like entering the American Rebellion for spurious reasons that are the great "open mystery" of the period, which explains a lot of what was really happening and is a favorite of the conspiracist theory of history. This event was not self-contained in an ecosystem and then reproduced by "the theory". France faced conflict from the aristocratic order of Europe who were remarkably disinterested in the wages of war until they started losing and the French installed republics or kings of their choosing, and this was always understood as putting a rubber stamp on the effort to conquer Europe. At this time, no one but the French thinks of themselves as "national actors", and French nationalism is a new thing with the revolution. That was the thing that they really had to contain, and the most lasting effect of it.
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 No.482605

If you look at how the French monarchy understood economics, they had their theory before the revolution, and the revolution wasn't really waged over economic ideas. The liberalizing tendency had more to do with the interests of actors in France and globally, then any belief that liberalism worked like magic. There was a theory of physiocracy, but the thing with them is that the physiocrats were more in line with the ancien regime than a naive faith in free trade. What the physiocrats wrote about was a precursor to both the idea of a planned economy - a precursor to the socialist idea - and a precursor to biological politics and biologically centered economic thought, using the example of economic life and the land as an organism with blood flows that could be regulated. That was what Quesnay invoked, due to his background as a physician.
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 No.482606

All of these things are very interesting if you dig into them, and that's why I disdain these grand narratives that are divorced from history that can be independently verified. Any political event involves the agency of those things in the world that have the greatest stake in it - human beings, and particular human beings.


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 No.473222[Reply]

Kermit the frog caused 9/11. In the 2002 TV film "It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie", there's a part where an angel shows Kermit an alternate reality where he was never born. For whatever reason, the editors didn't really think about it, and continued to use footage with the twin towers still standing for this scene, however they aren't there in his original universe. Therefore, something that Kermit did in his life, did in fact cause 9/11 in Muppet lore.
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 No.482465

>>473243
Ummm, idk man.
We had dyke bitch girls in the 1980s and proto SJWism.

Also in the 1980s, people were growing cynical and disillusioned.

Why else was punk so popular.
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 No.482466

>>473518
"End of history" is gen idpol shit.
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 No.482482

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>>475869
>My first Fatwa
Funny, but they were Sunni
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 No.482484

>>482482
>picrel
lol that's a tent-sauna, but with her grinning, that caption does make sense.
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 No.482574

>>473245
Last I heard, there was some bratty CIA/(other αβ) department th@ was getting 2 liberal in checking on some highly secretive/illegal/generally unprofitable governance stuff th@ guys from the other agencies didn't want to get out or something like th@. So basically it's another tactical 5gon erasure attack on the parts of the government which are getting 2 unruly 2 contain.
In making the point 4 their colleagues feddos didn't even bother with timing the destruction & just blasted th@ thing into a fucking freefall LMAO. It's like this was done in such a way on purpose, "look how much of a fuck we are able not 2 give, unlike you".

>>473250
Wasn't there some years l8r some skyscraper in Spain th@ was burning for a whole day or even more & despite th@ never even crumbled in any way?


 No.482429[Reply]

It's a very odd deal.
The criminal Biden admin is letting Assange go in exchange for a guilty plea.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/06/the-happiest-of-days/
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 No.482516

>>482513
Proofs?
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 No.482523

>>482489
>thinking he will be safe in Australia
They didn't drop the charges he admitted guilt in exchange for getting out of jail. They could haul him right back in as soon as the election is over.

>>482491
>he should probably just apply for citizenship in Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc.
Well not North Korea he will starve in a communist country. I bet staying in Australia is probably part of the deal though.
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 No.482526

>>482523
The famine in the DPRK ended a long time ago, and their economic outlook is positive now that they've re-established diplomatic relations with Russia.
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 No.482551

Kevin Gosztola made an interesting point on a journalist panel today: He and likely other peers have been spending all their time the last several days listening to each other, the sources they actually trust to cover Assange honestly and fairly. Conversely, they have spent very little time assessing the corporate mass media's reaction to it. I sure hope someone has been cataloging all the recent libel and slander slung at Assange, these propaganda outlets and propagandists need to be held to account for the immensely destructive things they've done to the journalist profession.

Link to stream:

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/06/29/watch-revisiting-the-assange-case/
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 No.482565

>>482551
>the corporate mass media
>the immensely destructive things they've done to the journalist profession.

There used to be journalistic activities within that structure, but is that still the case ? Before we yell at these people for failing at journalism, we have to ask our self whether we're not complaining about how spoons are terrible shovels.

Maybe we should consider whether they are more like PR companies now.


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 No.475365[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Be honest…

Has your life gotten materially better or worse since this faggot supposedly got elected.?
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 No.481962

>>481921
"Real corporate profits" are not "the economy."

This statistic is just an artifact of two things:
- Inflation (CPI adjustment does not account for all inflation because CPI is rigged)
- Reducing the wage share (wage share goes down, profits go up)

Neither of these things are an improvement of "the economy" for the masses, they're a degradation.
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 No.482421

>>475365
this is a regressive economic boom where the lower classes aren't thrilled because not enough is trickling down and prices rose a few years ago

thing is, it's mainly the Fed rate hikes causing the tail end of this boom. Which is inherently inflationary.

A Dem Congress without gridlock would do better than Republicans in making it less regressive but we have gridlock now
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 No.482422

>>481863
we had like 5% GDP last quarters of last year

virtually every other indicator has been great

a recession requires 2+ quarters of negative gdp growth, and it is still positive with Republicans blocking everything

Biden did a better job than Obama at flooding the economy with money and if u can't get at it ur retarded because so much money got put into the economy
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 No.482423

>>482422
either Trump or Biden will keep flooding the economy with money, there really isn't any indication there's be a crash that'll bleed into the real economy unless the Republicans with the House and Senate again. A Dem Congress + Trump or a Dem Congress + Biden would keep money flowing into the economy for whoever needs it. Compared to that miserable 8 year money shortage under Obama. God those years sucked.
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 No.482424

>>475365
This is the first year in my 34 years on this planet I could conceivably live on my own and without help from others.

It's been an objectively good economy for myself.


 No.478430[Reply]

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=vTzVSNfaGvs

This guy did a decent video, on an attempt at introducing a internet ID-law
<government ID for accessing a website (initially porn-sites).

It's hiding behind deceptive legislative speak.
<think of the children while we attack your civil liberties

Big tech companies apparently are supporting this.
<so it might spread to other parts of the internet as well

Obviously none of these people really care about the welfare of children, or else we'd be living in a very different world. They might be targeting porn because they think it's a way to get a foot in the door for an ID-access-wall. Or they might actually be trying to identify people's porn habits in order to facilitate discrimination based on sexuality. Even if that's not the intention right now, it'll definitely be the result. We don't live in a dark age theocratic society where the church regulates sex, because it's currently not possible. All the puritanical bullshit will come flooding back the moment it becomes possible. Every ruling class seeks to control sex.

The Internet ID stuff will get hacked so even if you're a gullible fool that believes in this.
<think of all the identity theft
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 No.482309

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>>482308
limitless
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 No.482310

I possess an exceptional online tool that creates highly authentic and lifelike depictions of adolescent royalty, catering to a demographic characterized by youthful exuberance and unbridled potential. NO ROASTIE CAN STOP ME!!!
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 No.482311

>>482308
>>482309
>>482310
sus-ness aside, do i need a beefy computer to run this program and which program is it? or do you do it from online?
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 No.482334

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>>482311
(obfuscation sponsored by GPT4All)

To successfully set up your environment for "on topic" activities, follow these steps:

1. Acquire a used Nvidia GPU with 16GB VRAM at a cost of less than $200, and purchase a cooling fan retrofit to ensure optimal performance. Note that Tesla GPUs are suitable options but require additional power supply and do not come with built-in cooling systems.

2. Choose a hypervisor capable of supporting GPU pass-through technology. This will allow your "on topic" guest to directly access the hardware resources, including the Nvidia GPU.

3. Set up a VPN or Tor router as a guest within your hypervisor environment. This will help hide your "on topic" activities and protect your privacy while downloading files.

4. Install a Linux-based operating system on another virtual machine (guest) for the purpose of running "on topic" tasks. Ensure that you have installed the proprietary Nvidia driver to support the GPU operations.

5. Introduce comfyui into your "on topic" guest, and then install the comfyui-manager plugin for added functionality.

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 No.482335

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>>482311
This setup is designed to minimize potential risks associated with "on topic" activities by creating a secure, isolated environment within which these tasks can be performed without leaving any trace or causing unwanted attention. If you prefer not to engage in such activities, feel free to proceed directly on the hardware (metal) level without using virtual machines. However, if caution is your priority, utilizing VMs will help isolate "on topic" operations and ensure they are temporary and easily reversible by reverting to a previous snapshot or shutting down the guest within the hypervisor environment.


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 No.467807[Reply]

I'm asking my self whether or not the neocons are nothing but blood-dripping salesmen for the arms-industry, and all their ideological stuff is foolishness.

I'm not looking for cheap shots, like proving they never achieve their stated goals like "winning the war on terror". Just assume it's part of their strategy to lie about their true goals.

I used to think that they were both effective at generating profits for the arms industry and also furthering US imperial power. But I don't think that anymore.

For example the wars in the middle east caused something like a war-chaos-belt that separated Europe from Asia and prevented the formation of "Ꭼurꭺsian" (loaded term) economic integration that could potentially become an economic block that would be many times more powerful than the US. So in that sense you could look at the failed wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and so on as somewhat effective at maintaining US hegemonic power.

But it turns out that it wasn't the case. The conclusion that most analysts are drawing now is that the US wasted a bunch of time and effort fucking up the Arabs. And was nothing but a distraction that allowed China to grow into an economic powerhouse that is now more or less untouchable for the foreseeable future.

The Ukraine crisis again follows a similar structure, it seemed like a viable way to separate Russian-German economic cooperation by creating a trade-disrupting war-zone and political-capital for economic separation, so that economic integration may not lead to a Russo-European economic block that would have been more powerful than the US.

But it turns out that this wasn't the case either. The result of the Ukraine crisis is:

Sino-Russian economic integration. Which might lead to the formation of a much more powerful economic block than the Russo-European one. But the consequences don't stop at undoing the Sino-Soviet split. It also has killed the economic power of Europe which means that a potential Trꭺnsatlꭿntiꮸ (loaded term) economic block is much weaker now.
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 No.477440

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The neocons are planning to seize the frozen Russian assets in order to continue funding the Ukraine proxy war.

Western finance went REEEEEE DON'T, this will trash our reputation and spook the investors

The Unintended Consequences of Seizing Russian Assets
https://internationalbanker.com/news/why-attempts-to-divert-frozen-russian-assets-could-seriously-damage-the-wests-credibility/
<the West is persisting in its endeavours, with a proposal to use frozen public Russian assets to finance Ukraine
<For many other countries, however, freezing Russian assets is widely perceived as a method the US-led West employs to weaponise its primary currencies. The European Central Bank warned in June that using interest-rate proceeds from the frozen assets could prompt other central banks to “turn their backs” on the euro,
<“The implications could be substantial: it may lead to a diversification of reserves away from euro-denominated assets, increase financing costs for European sovereigns and lead to trade diversification,” the note added. And Bank of America analysts led by Michael Hartnett recently noted in a report that “US dollar debasement is the ultimate outcome as the dollar is weaponized in a new era of sanctions.”
<Such fears are thus expediting not only the ongoing global trend of de-dollarisation but also the construction of viable alternative financial systems by China or even Russia.
<nations and regions have accelerated efforts in recent months towards arrangements aimed at reducing their dependence on the dollar. At the heart of these de-dollarisation initiatives is the fear in many capitals that the US could someday use the power of its currency to target them the way it has sanctioned Russia
<Indeed, central banks are already calling back their offshore gold assets to domestic storage facilities in increasing quantities over such fears.
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 No.481614

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=AaLX8ozOJRA
Starting at 1:09:00 Alexander Mercouris sums up how the Neocons managed to unite all of the US's adversaries and make them forge alliances, creating a geopolitical opponent that is so large and powerful that it will be indomitable. And the irony is that the early neocons from the 70s like Brzezinski, warned about this.
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 No.481616

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>>481614
I feel like the neocons ultimately got exactly what they wanted though: an enemy so large that they can justify another massive spending spree on their friends in the military industry.
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 No.481620

>>481616
Yeah you might be right the neocons may simply be motivated by Number go up for defense contractors. And there is no grand strategy or anything.

But an arms race against all that ?

The US and the EU plus a few other countries just lost at war supply logistics against just Russia in Ukraine. I can't fathom trying that against a block that is over an order of magnitude larger.
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 No.482312

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=e2fHem1IjK0

Consider the following:
The neocon Ukraine scheme resulted in Russian relations with ROC (South Korea) withering and they now went for an alliance with the DPRK (North Korea). Including a mutual defense agreement and military exchange.

Neocon sanctions damaged Venezuelan oil production, resulting in Cuba no longuer getting fuel from Venezuela. The neocon sanction against Russia eliminated any incentive the Russians had to not break the blockade against Cuba. The Russians have begun sending fuel and other exports to Cuba.

Add up these developments to other events like the severing of German-Russian economic ties via hijacking of EU foreign policy and the Nordstream gas pipeline sabotage, or the reversal of the Sino-Soviet split by antagonizing both Russia and China at the same time.

I can see a pattern emerging
The neocons are trying to revert the international relations to how it was during the depths of the cold war.

Conclusions
I think the neocons realized that they personally flourished during the cold-war political climate, but when the detente came, all that went away, and society turned towards peace-makers instead. That's why they are trying to recreate those conditions. They simply are optimizing for rising personal careers as cold-warriors, and that's it. Nothing else. All the damage they are causing to the west's geopolitical status , because that strategy no longer works in present material conditions, isn't part of their considerations.

I'm proposing to call this political solipsism


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 No.481725[Reply]

there is not one reason why i should help them or make their life easier. they generalize and exagerate about every government on earth ever. they lie through their teeth as natural as as they breath. they take advantage of the progressive zeitgeist that happen in society. they take advantage of everybody lying about nation/tribe/etc that are againts the libtard view of the world. they take advantage of people not caring but still having the drive to bully the non-"""normie""" part of society. not a single healthy society from the stone age up to now allow them to speak. THEY SHOULD BE ROPED!!!! when we have a new hammer&sickle revolution they should- no- MUST! THEY MUST BE ROPED!!!!
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 No.481951

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>>481725
The world was better before SJW.
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 No.482200

>>481951
So just to be clear: "class reductionism" is a word that feds made up, doesn't exist and politics focused on gender and race are called identity politics and are counter-revolutionary, did I get that right? I just want to know that I'm not crazy for believing this.
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 No.482206

>>481951
>>482200
That's RIGHT!!!!
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 No.482223

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>>482200
Das right, uyghur. The core of identarism (= "racism", "sexism", "ageism", "ableism", "classism" ("people of means") & so on) is social division cringed on inherent characteristics of individuals & specific groups & subsequent ruling over the unleashed societal chaos. The more chaos is there @ the bottom, the more order there is @ the top.
If they like to tug the rope so much, let them do that with their actually fucking privileged necks. They do not want to dismantle the system of killing alienation, they only want to better their own positions in it by means of societal discrimination, & therefore they are the most rabid pro-system anticommunists of our times since they are the middle class of the present world.

>>481725
They are not persons, they are system-serving fascists.
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 No.482302

>>482223
>classifying 'billionaire' as a slur
Good. This is funny and provocative.


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 No.482164[Reply]

So, Saudi Arabia is ditching the prtodollar. Isn't that wild?
What does /leftypol/ make of this one?
Thoughts? Feelings? What's going on?
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 No.482188

Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now. A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.


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 No.482189

>>482188
>Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now.
Technically the US could do a massive political shift away from militarism towards civilian production of goods, and then the rest of the world would try to buy those goods and the Dollar exodus would reverse. The US has a lot of natural resources, a large workforce and a lot of high tech know how that makes this possible. The probability of that happening is somewhat low. The more likely outcome is that no significant political shift occurs and the currently gradual Dollar exodus will go on for a while, but as more and more feedback mechanisms kick in it'll begin to accelerate and follow the curve of an inverted logistical distribution.

>A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.

Yes and No. The value theory parts of MMT were never correct, regardless of the currency hegemony status. The political application of MMT can still work. Specifically the public sector economy can print money to hire every last employment-excluded citizen as long as those people are instructed to do productive labor (in the strict Marxist definition) and there would be no resulting increase in inflation. There are some caveats, this assumes the US chooses a geo-political path of a managed de-dollarization with a soft-landing. If they continue down the path of ramping up militarism, currency wars and trade wars it'll cause a hard landing with significant inflation pressure, that would make MMT schemes more difficult.
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 No.482197

>>482189
Controlling inflation is as simple as a government-mandated price freeze. The US itself has done it at least twice in history. Inflation isn't controlled, or rather, is actively sought out, because it's a policy to keep workers desperate and difficult to organize.
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 No.482208

The best way to beat inflation long-term is by controlling inflation in land prices - IE taxing the shit out of land speculation so that it becomes unprofitable and land prices drop.
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 No.482214

>>482197
>>482208
So you want to take on big real estate hedge funds like Blackrock ? What's your "game-plan" for doing that ?


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 No.482116[Reply]

Our society is organized by identity. We have systems that recognize somebodies identity and that grants/denies access to powers and resources. While that mostly works, we might be able to do better. I propose as an alternative that we organize around deeds instead, and have systems recognize actions rather than identities.

History of identities
Early tribal societies used identities and lineages to prevent inbreeding. In slave societies identity was used to keep track of slaves. And in feudal societies identities were used to attach hereditary political power to people. Identity also served persecution alot, for example: which hunting, or in ww2 the Nazis holocausting the Jews. States use identity to attempt to conscript-nap people and force them to wage wars.

Anonymity
This is what enabled many slaves to free them selves. It is what enabled many Jews to evade the extermination camps. It also is necessary for democracy, because votes have to be anonymous in order to prevent coerced votes. Anonymity became a political value during the beginning of the bourgeois revolutions, and are conceptually based on early cities where masses of people had to cooperate without being able to know everybody.

examples for proof of deed, recognize action instead of identity
We already use some systems that recognize action but not identity. For example when you buy a ticket for amusement rides, the ticket grants you access by proving that you payed for the ride, and there is no need to recognize your identity. Voting systems can also work entirely without identity, people vote anonymously, then stick their thumb into a die that stains the skin for a few days and prevents voting more than once.

Political intentions
Proof of deed systems are better at enabling rewards for beneficial actions, while proof of identity systems skew a lot more towards punishment. Proof of deed systems are less easily abused for persecution. Identities also get abused to establish aristocratic domination (privilege for me and burden for thee). So less persecution, more fairness and motivation by the carrot rather than the stick.

A society of the deed would be anonymous safe for interpersonal relations, and perhaps counter-intuitively also more orderly, since it operates on actions directly. One would have to try it out to know for sure.
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 No.482134

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holy hell nig next you're going to tell me that objective truth doesn't exist you Machfag
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 No.482148

>>482134
>objective truth doesn't exist
>Mach
Where do see that in the opening post ?

Why do you think this proposal would philosophically break with materialism and a conception of objective reality ?
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 No.482150

>>482148
Ok I re-read your op. I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
Is your post instead about information technology? I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'. If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time. If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
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 No.482161

>>482150
>I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
No, i just added the historic bits for context.
>Is your post instead about information technology?
I suppose it would also have an effect on that as well, to be honest i haven't thought that far ahead. I ranted about bio-metrics because i think that it is foolish, and this was just another opportunity to bring that up.
>I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'.
You are going too fast, I'm not yet thinking about applications, to me this is in the stage where we think about the philosophy of organizing principles. Most of our current systems of organizing, at the most fundamental level begin with detecting the identity of people interacting with it. I think it's possible that we might do better with systems that center on detecting actions instead of identities. Conceptually the next thought would be to figure out all the ways to recognize an action.
>If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time.
Not yet, i think we would have to begin experimenting in a setting where the stakes are lower. I think this is a very novel idea and it will require trial and error to get a bearing on what works and what doesn't.
>If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
This is a reasonable starting point. A coupon for a deed, that would be a system that centers on recognizing actions. Obviously that won't be sufficient. The coupon system would fall short in many ways. Once you collected experience, you can formulate additional structures to compensate for those shortcomings. Figuring this out would be a process. It's not going to be just one mechanism, it'll be multiple ones working in concert.


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What are we to do with the ever-increasing agespan of adolescence?
This is a serious problem in the first and second world.
Why is it normalised to waste away your teens and twenties (AND THIRTIES!!!) in quiet despair and zero technical skills?

Generation X and Millennials have normalised mediocrity in youth.
They even say worldly exposure/attributes in youth are elitist.
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 No.481670

>>481668
I understand that the capitalists did universal education because they needed more educated workers, and a place to store the children while parents wage-slaved. But that doesn't make it a bad thing, the Soviets and all the other socialist projects did the same thing, they also send children to school.

However I'm willing to hear you out on what you think Marx wanted and how it differs from what capitalism did.
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 No.481672

>>481670
Marx said children should start working st age nine and be given moderate hours
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 No.481673

>>481672
In the 18 hundreds children often began working in the fields or factories when they were six years old and often had to work long shifts.

I can't be bother to check if your assertion is true.
So if Marx suggested to raise the work-force entry-age to 9 years as well as reducing the hours to "moderate" , that would make him somebody who sought to reduce child-labor, relative to the usual praxis of his time.
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 No.481707

>>481673
regardless I think kids should be involved in theprocess of industriaility.

Adults accuse kids of being lazy leeches but ban kids from the real world.

Also, academic skills dont mean shit in the real world.
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 No.482101

I think this needs to be discussed more.
People complain about ableism amd ageism but then talks about "brain development" as an excuse to disqualify young people from worldly affairs.


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