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 No.483517[Reply]

Happening tomorrow. Who's stoked to see it fall apart?
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 No.483655

Just watched Kamala's speech. She came off as if pleading for votes, but she was at least more coherent than Trump has been lately. His age is starting to show, and the Kamala camp will hammer him on this now that he's the oldest candidate running. Trumpfags are trying to say it was some kind of huge bomb, but I'm not seeing that. She probably succeeded at appealing to the demographics that she needed. Hasan Piker may not be happy with it, but nobody who isn't extremely online gives a shit about Hasan Piker. We'll see how she does at the debates, but it's highly possible that she could win.
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 No.483663

>>483655
Giving a better speech than Trump is an extremely low bar. Wouldn't be surprised if she managed it, but I'm not gonna bother watching. So far she's been Biden on genocide, and from what I can glean nobody takes her speech as any kind of assurance that that's going to change.
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 No.483666

>>483655
There won't be debates most likely. Trump and Harris both have plausible "dodges", plus, no one really cares about that shit any more.
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 No.483679

https://x.com/contentlyshane/status/1827181546417033401/video/2
The only good spectacle

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 No.483673[Reply]

>Jon Elmer. A senior Israeli officer predicts Israel's collapse within a year from attrition
https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=xllKNZh8i4M

>the war of attrition against Hamas and Hezbollah continues, Israel will collapse within no more than a year.
>Terror attacks are intensifying in the West Bank and inside the country,
>the reservist army is voting with its feet following recurring mobilizations of combat soldiers,
>the economy is crashing.
>Israel has also become a pariah state, prompting economic boycotts and an embargo on arms shipments.
>We are also losing our social resilience, as the growing hatred between different parts of the nation threatens to ignite and bring to its destruction from within.
https://archive.ph/

So it appears that the Yahu is ramming Zionstan into the abyss. Iran is probably timing it's retaliation to help that process along.

The upside will be a sharp drop in hollowed out child-skulls, haniballed hostages, murdered journalists and exploding hospitals/schools. I guess the US will swoop in to secure the military bases. It will be a free-for-all mayhem to fill in the political vacuum in "Postrael".

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 No.483674

>Jon Elmer. A senior Israeli officer predicts Israel's collapse within a year from attrition
There are many possible political reasons why an Israeli officer would say something like that. They're Israeli and therefore can't be trusted as they lie all the time.

Whether or not you think Israel will collapse should have nothing to do with the opinion of some lying yahood.

I think it could be destroyed, but a big deciding factor is whether Hezb and Iran actually get serious. Collapse is less likely in the short and mid term and is a common element of hopium narratives where Israel goes away without "WWIII" happening.

>what happens in the west when the Zionist lobby collapses
This is NOT going to happen, period. If Israel collapses or is destroyed, the Zio mafia will remain in power and would actually focus their efforts on formally and openly implementing "ZOG" in the Americas and Europe. They would facilitate mass migration of millions of Israeli criminals into places like Florida, New York, California, Argentina, Germany, Ukraine, UK, etc where they would then proceed to treat the locals exactly the same way they have been treating Palestinians for the past century.
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 No.483677

>>483674
>There are many possible political reasons why an Israeli officer would say something like that
Fair enough you got a point there, but you gotta admit, if it wasn't at least a little bit plausible he probably couldn't say it.

>I think it could be destroyed, but a big deciding factor is whether Hezb and Iran actually get serious.
More pressure from Iran and Hezbollah would certainly exasperate the combat erosion effect on society. But politically an outside enemy can be unifying. Not sure what to make of this.

>This is NOT going to happen, period.
Sounds like doomium, the Zionist lobby isn't invincible.

>the Zio mafia will remain in power and would actually focus their efforts on formally and openly implementing "ZOG" in the Americas and Europe.
The only reason why the Zionist lobby is so powerful, is because they have an external state apparatus that's running interference for them. Once that's gone they'll be reduced to a regular lobby org. They made a lot of enemies by playing really dirty. So they'll have less power and face a stronger headwind.

>They would facilitate mass migration of millions of Israeli criminals into places like Florida, New York, California, Argentina, Germany, Ukraine, UK, etc
Well the pro-zionist right wing, only supported the Zionist cause because they saw it as a vehicle to ship Jews to the middle east. So what used to be a pillar of support will become a determined opponent.
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 No.481934[Reply]

For some reason many people are very reluctant to get vaccines as a means to boost their immune response to hazardous microbes.

There is another solution if we made people with DNA from 6 parents instead of only 2, humans would get a rate of genetic adaptation that should be beyond the maximum rate of adaptation through mutation for viral, fungal and bacterial infections.

This would involve artificial fertilization with 2 normal parents + 4 random DNA donors. For best effect we'd draw DNA donor-samples from the entire planet. As bonus various genetic diseases like mitochondrial dysfunction would get wiped out as well (that's already being treated through tri-parent DNA) , the common cold would probably become a rare occurrence affecting only a very small number of people. Metabolically people would have to expend less energy on immunological function and we'd get a boost in brain-power, muscles and endurance.

It would probably annoy the Eugenics crowd if we did that. To be clear eugenics never had a basis in real biology, so this does not make any material difference, it's just surplus enjoyment of an ideological middle finger.

Practically speaking if you wanted a Hexa-child. You and the other parent would have to give your DNA to the big DNA-lottery and then you get 4 random DNA samples in return.

By the way the medical tech already exists, so for this to become a thing, it only requires organization.

I'm curious if there's any takers ?
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 No.482083

>>482064
>The only animals that derive significant energy from photosymbioses are ones that barely move at all, namely sponges and corals.
That's not how you would make humans able to gain energy from photosynthesis. Our immune system wouldn't allow for that kind of symbioses.
However human skin pigmentation cells are already half way there and already can do certain types of photo-chemistry, it would be a minor modification on that system to get the effect.
You are correct that we wouldn't get enough energy from this to power any kind of locomotion, but you probably would get a boost for generating homeostasis at rest. If a person were do a type of meditation that brings down the metabolic rate to deep sleep levels, it would likely help people to survive famine for much, much longer. In normal conditions, the energy you get from photo-chemistry would remove metabolic strain from the rest of the organism. You probably get a small longevity boost from this. Also all the light you convert into energy won't burn your skin and you'd get better protection from sunburn, as a result your skin would age slower.

If you adjust your expectation to realism levels, instead of science fantasy transhumanism of bio engineering the homo-deus. Something like this could be considered a medical procedure that brings enough health benefits that makes it worth it.
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 No.482100

>>482083
The biological machinery involved in photosynthesis is a big complicated system involving many things, including systems to protect against the damaging reactive oxygen species produced in the process. It would make much more sense to initiate an endosymbiotic event with cyanobacteria or some kind of algae via immune tinkering than attempt to re-invent the wheel with a panoply of new genes.
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 No.482111

>>482100
This is an interesting choice.

You are right making the cellular machinery to get all the biochemistry worked out will require some doing. However people use oxygen too. If you can get it into O² form, you can just dump it into a blood-vessel and it's attach to a red blood cell. It'll get metabolized.

While algae require none of that, herding cyanobacteria and making sure accidental mutation do not result in detriments to the host isn't without it's challenges either.
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 No.483658

>>482083
>>482100

The molecular shape of hemoglobin is the same as that of clorophyll from what I studied in high school biology
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 No.483660

>>483658
Only the metal-containing heme groups and the active site of chlorophyll molecules are similar. They contain a different metal though and their molecular function is radically different.

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 No.483612[Reply]

A superstructure can be a state for example, but it could also be other structures.

I will split this up and put it all into subsequent posts so its more legible.
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 No.483617

>>483616
stick and carrot policing
Currently policing is entirely based on punishment, there are no rewards. That's not an effective incentive mechanism. I propose we keep traditional punitive policing for the hard crimes like murder, assault, kidnapping, blackmail and so on. But flip the script for the rest.

We introduce reward-detectives that try to find examples of exceptionally ethical-conduct and dole out rewards. They will have to investigate very thoroughly and prove said ethical-conduct with as much rigor as would be required for establishing guilt.

Now here comes the kicker, people don't agree on a single definition of "ethical-conduct" and now they don't have to. We'll do multiple reward-polices that reward according to different ethical-norms. That creates a culture of venerating role-models instead of hunting witches.
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 No.483618

1/10 fake and gay
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 No.483619

>>483617
spies and secrets
During the first cold war last century, states became much more secretive. The utility of which was dubious at best.

There was a lot of secrecy around technology that the military wanted to monopolize. That made tactical sense, if your battle instrument is more advanced, you gain a combat advantage. But this also meant a huge strategical disadvantage of depriving the rest of your civilian economy from exploiting the more advanced instruments. Which means less economic power and ultimately less military power too.

I think secrecy should be limited to operational security for spies. Considering that my system does not have IDs or excessive surveillance that should be much easier to achieve.
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 No.483620

>>483619
political system
I think we should go for a sortition democracy, that randomly selects a representative sample of the population. Where people are polled for policy priorities via a referendum-type feed-back mechanism.

But we probably should keep the electoral system in parallel for the purpose of testing whether sortitian actually does better. Not just in terms of quality of political decisions, but also which system people prefer to interact with.
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 No.483621

>>483620
Military
The masses get arms and training for pecking occupation attempts into submission. On top of that there will be a small professional military that specializes in deep strikes for degrading enemy war-production and interdiction.

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 No.483430[Reply]

Venezuela is under economic siege again, the US is punishing them for doing a democracy.
If you care for details, check this is out https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=0qz_qKWFIaM

Sanctions have become ineffective against big countries like Russia or China. Those have figured out how to derive economic benefit from it and deflect all the economic damage back at the source of the sanctions.

However sanctions still appear to be doing damage to mid sized countries like Venezuela.

Why is that ?
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 No.483523

When right wingers tried to overturn the 2020 presidential election in the US we were able to both identify their half-assed plot and know the real results. My hope is that other countries are able to do this too, whether the attempt to change the results is carried out by a left or right wing party. My other hope is that leftwing parties who have respect for peace, social wellbeing, liberty, and democracy consistently win elections around the world. That is the position of the social democrats.
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 No.483527

>>483521
>Hello. I'm the guy who's speaking against dictatorships.
The media has called every Venezuelan president a dictator since Hugo Chavez nationalized Venezuela's oil, after the Chavismo political revolution. I basically think you're echo-ing Exxon Mobiles media chorus.

I think Venezuela's system leans more democratic than most countries because they have both a national assembly and people's assemblies, the latter is very grass-routes.

>The problem with my example is that a language learning app might not represent the general population.
That and you didn't even talk to everybody on the app, so your view isn't even representative of all the app users.

>Would Maduro allow a credible organization, or anyone for that matter, to conduct an exit poll?
I don't know but there's probably already international observers present, and the only reason the news isn't talking about those is because they didn't report irregularities. Since that didn't fit the narrative it gets ignored. You can send an additional polling org, and the same shit will happen to their report, if it doesn't fit the narrative.

>Do you think expressing dissent on an app is the same as having a fair and honest election? If so, that demonstrates a confused notion of what democracy is.
You are the one that wanted to quantify Venezuelan democracy on the basis of "app-talk", i just flipped it around to make you disprove your own premise. Don't take this as mean-spirited, i don't think there was another way to make you re-consider.

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 No.483528

>>483521
>legitimate studies involve looking for information that contradicts previously held assumptions
Says who? You? Another assertion you haven't managed to justify. A good study doesn't fish for contradictions, it is interested in obtaining unbiased objective evidence.
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 No.483529

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>a confused notion of what democracy is
Everyone in here who presumes that elections are anything approaching democracy. Once again I shall remind them.
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 No.483807

>>483430
>corporate shithole th@ is gunning down local communists (socdems)
>doing a democracy
kek, off 2 the wall you go fiftoid

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 No.483479[Reply]

you will eat ze homogenized bacterial carcasses

https://www.noemamag.com/making-food-out-of-thin-air/

TLDR company using solar power to extract hydrogen and carbon from air which is then metabolized by bacteria into primary ingredients for processed food.


Pros
Gets about 10 times as much protein per unit of land then a grain-farm + cattle-factory.
- above estimate is with solar panels, 20000x as space efficient if you have a nuclear plant
Will make food absolutely anywhere independent from water sources and weather
electricity + air = food
virtually no risk of spawning shit like mad cow disease
can probably be miniaturized like microbreweries.
- good for perpetually feeding astronauts in space
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 No.483481

It will probably take more energy than growing things traditionally once they make anything actually worth eating with this tech.

It might be used to make feed for animals that we eat, or to survive in extreme environments like space or other planets. But on earth we can be doing farming much more sustainably (which would also lead to better tasting fruits and veggies) without the need to eat bugs or bacteria sludge. Techbros always want to solve things nobody asked them to solve.
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 No.483482

>>483480
>so i could print pizza?
Realistically, eventually it'll do something that approximates pizza. So yes, sort of, if you're not too picky.

>>483481
>It will probably take more energy than growing things traditionally
This is a difficult question.
Traditional manual farming uses zero industrial energy inputs (electricity or fuel). So yes it uses more than 0. However this process is more energy efficient at converting the energy of the sun into energy accessible as food than plants.
If you compare it to industrial farming, that uses a fuck-ton of energy for fertilizer production and industrial machines. My hunch is bacto-slop will be more energy efficient than that.
>once they make anything actually worth eating with this tech
It's just base ingredients, it'll be up to food-prep to make it palatable.

>It might be used to make feed for animals that we eat, or to survive in extreme environments like space or other planets.
Sure in the beginning, but eventually it'll be bacterial carcasses for you too.

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 No.483483

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 No.483501

Didn't scientists enclose a container full of air and electrify it to decompose it to extract organic byproducts?
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 No.483502

>>483501
>Didn't scientists
there's many, might help if you could give us a few hints to narrow it down a bit.
>enclose a container full of air and electrify it to decompose it to extract organic byproducts?
Air is roughly 8 parts nitrogen and 2 parts oxygen and a small smattering of trace gases. Air also contains water vapor as humidity. (there also particles like dust, i'll ignore those)

I'm not sure what "Electrically decomposing" means exactly, so here goes nothin:
CO2 which is part of the trace gases, can be electrically split into carbon and oxygen, the water vapor gives you hydrogen-ions and O2 molecules

If you just stick 2 electrodes, with high voltage potential, near each other in the air, you'll get Ozone. That's a chemically unstable form of 3 oxygen atoms stuck together, that will fall apart into a O2 and a O-ion. Ozone is that fresh-air smell after rain and thunder storms. The O-ion neutralizes bacteria, viruses and fungal-spores, as well as volatile organic compounds (stinky or stale air).

Nitrogen is mostly chemically neutral and only reacts if you dump huge energies into the system. Most of the other trace gases are noble gases that don't react much either.

The example in OP just uses electricity to extract carbon and hydrogen from the air to feed bacteria, they don't get anything organic directly from the air.

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 No.473096[Reply]

India renamed it self, a bit like Turkey recently was renamed into Türkiye. However unlike Türkiye which makes a nice sound, Bharat sounds harsh like somebody burping during speech. They're undoing the colonial naming legacy and have been renaming their cities for some time, but they could have picked a nicer name for their country. Oh well.

I wonder if BRICS for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South-Africa , now has to be spelled BRBCS. 'Brubkess' def. is a downgrade from 'Bricks' too.
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 No.483469

>>483452
this is a stunt.
Even Eric Andre wouldnt dare.
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 No.483471

>>483465
>largest workers strikes in history the last few years
>incapable of revolution
Sure seems to me like they have more revolutionary potential than Europeans at the moment.
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 No.483472

>>483471
Not disagreeing but how do you evaluate the French?
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 No.483474

>>483471
>revolutionary potential
Yes the organized farmers in India have that, however if they take over they would need the help of the Chinese to survive the geopolitical environment in the immediate aftermath.

But the Chinese will not participate in anything that looks like regime change.

That equation only changes if the Indian ruling class declared war against China, and a alternative revolutionary government declared peace. Then the Chinese could say that they recognize which ever government offers them peaceful coexistence. Nobody could accuse them off exporting the revolution if they just choose peace over war.

The Indian Ruling class is not stupid, they're not going to pick a fight with China. So unless something else shakes loose an opportunity, the farmers are kinda stuck.
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 No.483477

>>483472
Seems like the French were defeated by covid.

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 No.483437[Reply]

What's the deal with the French?

So they form some big "left" coalition to push back against Macron and overwhelm le Pen's party in the recent election… and then they immediately nominate another neoliberal technocrat for prime minister who went to same schools as Macron? How could this do anything but discredit themselves and open a wide lane for more support for the hard right? I don't understand how France can have all these ostensibly left formations and still end up serving the status quo.
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 No.483455

Maybe there is a reshuffling of who is favored, different privileges doled out in the top echelons of society and dribbled down. It's very easy to feed slop to the lower orders and they'll think they received a gift from God. Every time you do the performative politics ideology, you feed that. I don't know why you faggots keep doing it.
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 No.483456

Politics after 2000 is entirely an interest of the top echelons - and really this is how it always is. Mass politics was always a delusion when it was done in this abstracted way, divorced from anything a mass political base does. There is this strange and infantile belief that politics is ruled by "me wantee" and empty sentiments, and it's always faggotry. In the past, there were more crumbs handed down, and less ability to really impose will on the lower orders. It was easier for us to keep our head down and let the rulers do their thing, and there was enough self-interest to keep this functional enough. After 1970, it was open season. The favored interests of the middle clamored for blood far more than the rulers themselves - just as they were trained. Every time you encourage that, you're only becoming a greater and deeper fag.
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 No.483457

>>483455
>the performative politics ideology,
Assume I'm an idiot and explain this further?
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 No.483460

>>483457
pls no
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 No.483461

>>483460
But he writes amazing prose, and I'm curious about the concept.

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 No.483256[Reply]

This was a failed state and its still worshipped by losers like you lmao
>thread got saged from .ogre
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 No.483351

>>483313
>everyone who doesn't deny the holomodor is a troll
Read a book.

>refuted nazi propaganda that the cia ran with so they can say that stalin and hitler are equally bad.
Nobody thinks stalin is bad. Go out in public with hammer and sickle or antifa logos nobody will say a word. Go outside with nazi logos you will literally get arrested.

>Pretty sure their gdp was growing (if slowly) right up until the dissolution. What makes you think they were wasting money? What makes you think that's what caused the dissolution of the soviet state?
Read a book.
https://www.britannica.com/story/why-did-the-soviet-union-collapse
>By some measures, the Soviet economy was the world’s second largest in 1990, but shortages of consumer goods were routine and hoarding was commonplace. It was estimated that the Soviet black market economy was the equivalent of more than 10 percent of the country’s official GDP. Economic stagnation had hobbled the country for years, and the perestroika reforms only served to exacerbate the problem. Wage hikes were supported by printing money, fueling an inflationary spiral. Mismanagement of fiscal policy made the country vulnerable to external factors, and a sharp drop in the price of oil sent the Soviet economy into a tailspin.

>Are you going to ignore all the achievements they made, like beating the Nazis, going to space, pulling everyone out of poverty and giving them education and healthcare?
All of which happened much sooner in countries outside the USSR. Except maybe the space thing which was a waste of time. You shouldn't be celebrating weapons research while your people are starving to death. Japan got fucking nuked twice and still came out ahead of Russia.

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 No.483352

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>>483351
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 No.483357

>>483351
>>483352
Here are some sources that debunk the Holodomor myth:

Books
< Fraud, Famine and Fascism by Doug Tottle
http://rationalrevolution.net/special/library/tottlefraud.pdf

< The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 by Davies and Wheatcroft
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=32DAA2871728468189A57E0233492A3A

< Lies concerning the History of the Soviet Union by Mario Sousa
http://www.mariosousa.se/LiesconcerningthehistoryoftheSovietUnion.html

< The Soviet famine of 1932-1933 reconsidered
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 No.483358

>>483357
your effort post is appreciated
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 No.483418

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holodomor is completely fake bullshit that never happend. it relies on changing relevant descriptions and definitions. it's a made-up event and made-up tittle.
>"muh normgroid books!"
>"muh normgroid website!"
>"buh i have a different meaning for it!"
<ACK!!!
anybody who says otherwise is a counter-revolutionary and deserve to be shot

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 No.483273[Reply]

The customs of the Jews are base and abominable and owe their persistence to their depravity. Jews are extremely loyal to one another, always ready to show compassion, but towards every other people they feel only hate and enimity. As a race (the Jews are not a race, because they have mingled with the other races to the point that they are only a people, not a race), they are prone to lust; among themselves nothing is unlawful.

Tacitus mogging Judeos
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 No.483320

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>>483314
Capitalism is the new religion
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 No.483321

All this whining about the Jews as being tribal but all these racialists advocate the same for theor own ethnic group.
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 No.483347

A cult works by making fake rules and regulations regarding who is good and who is bad. So, if you eat food A you are scum! If you wear your hair like style B you are scum! If you didn't learn ABC, you are scum!

That allows the cult members to judge outsiders as scum. So, Bagels were actually made by Polish people, but they were scum with unclean hands, etc so jews made a smaller version so they wouldn't have to buy from the Polish scum.

That's how that works.

So, the plan of bigoted jews is to make society into what they believe about people.


If our society is filled with nice families, educated people, men and women will good morals and values, etc then that means the jews are WRONG. If people are naturally good, then it invalidates their hate group religion.

So, jews make it so that people can't get money, get frustrated, they spread anti-family values, spread porn to pervert people, spread abortion, feminism to make men and women hate each other, and so on. The Jewish politics in the US are not about social improvement, they are about hate and division.

That turns society into a ghetto. So, that confirms their bias that people are infidel scum.

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 No.483374

>>483347
Turn future tradwives into childfree femdoms with this one weird trick
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 No.483410

>>483347
>muh jews are making me not get innocent virgin pussy

Once again, the white man blames everyone except themselves for their own problems.

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