/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Opposing divisive liberal identity politics isn't "conservative", that's just a liberal smear.

>>480629
That's what puts me off participating in lefty communities. All this trans stuff is just a rebranding of conservative gender roles, and is also being pushed by porky to discredit the left. But you can't express that opinion without being banned even if you support left economics.

>>480630
The term "conservative" has a different meaning here in krautland. This is why Wagenknecht and the populist left are calling themselves left-conservatives.

>>480629
Hello friend, you're welcome here, i guess most people here are just all out of sex-politics.

>>480634
no we have incel ideology here instead of troon ideology which has a ton of overlap

Why are so many ogres coming here whining about trans people?

>>480655
it's not about this or that group.
People don't like being bullied with identitarianism.

ITT

>My totally not ideological gender normal ideology is totally right and ok cause I am a fucking retard

>>480658
>biology is ideology
wew

>>480658
The problem is you can't even discuss whether it is right or not anymore. Reminder that this image used to be laughed at over on leftypol, but now it seems like they have the same idea as reddit.

>>480665
>The problem is you can't even discuss whether it is right or not anymore.

The whole Trans-hype is getting more and more cracks. The recent WPATH-leaks was for me the final proof, that this entire trans-thing is shady as shit and not founded on science. It is a religion, it is an ideology. And if you are not allowed to critisize ideology on a leftist board, something ain't right…

>>480665
>Reminder that this image used to be laughed at over on leftypol, but now it seems like they have the same idea
Yeah it's a shame when identitarians ruin a community with their shtick.

>>480665
>The problem is you can't even discuss whether it is right or not anymore
>>480667
>It is a religion, it is an ideology.

They deliberately seek to bait you to attack their identity, to drag you down to their level of character-assassination shit flinging. You can win against this strategy by analytically describing and criticizing their behavior, and never ever mention their identity. If you follow through with this, they will eventually flip out, because oddly enough, they can't assert rhetorical dominance if you don't use their words.

Opposing trans ideology should be a default leftist position, not a controversial one. What they're promoting is an extremely rightist view of sex which mandates the state's hand telling you what you are and what you are allowed to be, every possible behavior you have engage in, who you may associate with. It's eugenics writ large, and everyone who would really believe in the left sees that.

For people who are sympathetic to trans people, the "trans ideology" isn't a thing. You can talk to them and they will tell you what goes through their mind when transitioning. It isn't a super secret mystery, and enough people will share their life stories. Most of them are very bad, and many are disappointed with the results of "sex change" operations. But, a lot of the "MtFs" are cross-dressers who take it to the next level, and often they are sex workers who have lived this life for a while and will tell you the real horror stories. You can even find active and former trans sex workers who will tell you these things. It's part of the "hook", that a man meets a "woman" who is forward, honest, and gets what it's like for men because "she" is really a man, and there isn't any serious ambiguity between them. Almost all of the "trans ideology" is eugenics ideology promoted by a few very rich people, and they use the transhumanist veneer to advance the vanguard of pseudoscience. I'll tell you what it really is though - trans is a way to sterilize and mutilate mental health patients, "making" them transition once they're locked in the system. It's a way of continuing the Mengele shit they were doing after 2000, the way they wanted to dispose of the "bad people" that were rooted out during the 1990s. They brag behind the narratives that this is the entire purpose of it, and have made that clearer as they steer the narrative back to pure eugenics and what they wanted all along. There was too much outrage against what they did to us, too many people and their families resisted the onslaught and turned away from the institutions completely. So, make it about "trans" and this triggers the sexual revolution perverts, in addition to cashing in on a backlash intended to root out gay men.

I'll also add - the conservatives really are slavering dogs who will believe anything put in front of them. There is no lower creature than the American conservative.

No one will fight more for the preservation of the gender-role system of social relations than shitfuckers who call themselves "progressive". Every single "'leftist'" who supports, engages in, & propagate this racism mk.2 fuckery is a lib, & a fucking cryptofash by extension. Nothing else to discuss here.

>>480680
Yankee conservativism.is not the same as general conservatism.

They were right to ban you.

Define 'trans-ideology'. Sounds like a really dumb name for a half-truth.

>>480727 *
like 'cultural marxism' level dumb

>>480681
>No one will fight more for the preservation of the gender-role system of social relations than shitfuckers who call themselves "progressive"
Yeah this rings true.
They are definitely trying to press people into roles again. That seems like a regression not a progression.

>>480728
holy shit go back to reddit you disgusting troon

>>480732
go back to .org, autist.

Cant believe leftypol has gone woke and is ending the marketplace of free ideas. Where is the chad free speach?
Next, they will probably turn all communists and put everyone into reddit containement area

BANNED AGAIN FOR BEING BASED

>>480629
leftypol is run by deranged transsexuals, and unfortunately a lot of leftist orgs are similarly infested with idpol and liberalism. Even TKP/ML has a video on their website where armed guerillas talk about how one of their "main goals" is to get more trans and lgbt fighters in leadership positions.

>>480667
>It is a religion, it is an ideology.
For a lot of transsexuals, pro trans doctors, and the supportive parents of trans children they can never accept being wrong about gender ideology.
Because then they would have to admit to themselves that they irreversibly harmed their own body, the bodies of their patients, or the bodies of their own children.

>>481208
you say immigrant bad
but what if the conditions that cause immigration changed?
trans is serious decision

>>481209
migrants arent even cheap labour anymore because half of them don't even work

>>480744
That died with bunkerchan, newfriend.

>>481202
>Because then they would have to admit to themselves that they irreversibly harmed their own body, the bodies of their patients, or the bodies of their own children.
It's not so much the harm as the shame that's difficult to come to terms with. "How could I be so foolish to have thought such things; to have openly and vocally declared them to those I love the most.". The reminders of that shame are etched into the physiology of the affected and the hurt they represent.

>>480629
>you can be a leftist and also oppose trans-ideology.
No. You can't.

>>481952
So you would refuse to work with someone who explicitly wants to seize the means of production but doesn't care about trans issues?

>>481954
Sounds like a normal person

>>481952
There are many leftists who have different views on social values. Including the value in question.

If i may offer a point of criticism with regards to gender theory, it's too totalizing, it fails to account that people may not want to have any gender-identity assigned to them. Some people will categorically refuse to have their sexuality defined by others and simply see their sexuality as a matter excluded from debate. You will find less resistance if you grant people the agency to remain un-identified in your social value matrix.

On a more practicle matter capitalism is marching towards ww3, we can't afford having people that try to play exorcist seeking to purge the impure, so if you could try to curb your zealotry until after we have removed the Damocles sword that is dangling above our heads, that'd be grand.

>>481952
Gender ideology is literally reactionary and sexist.

>>481968
i would say this is often true

>>482087
The people who yell turf at you, usually just hate lesbians. We could call it cloaked sexism.

Usually the case.
Liberal leftists have this complete cognitive dissonance to basic science.
On one hand they advocate meritocratic peer reviewed science as the basis of arguing for and supporting the logical dismantling of a nefarious economic system.

On the other hand, they completely disregard and perform astounding verbal dexterity in reconciling basic biological facts with access to the same medical interventions built upon the other parts of scientific foundations that disagree with their humanities led assertions.

What is fascinating is that much of the lurch to androgynous eradication of sex as a legitimate class, is fuelled by corporate liberal entities including the pharmaceutical and ((showbiz)) industries.

If there was anythung beyond LARPING, you'd have tons of middle aged women transitioning to be male.

Instead, it's mainly middle aged white men, autogenyphile extreme fetishists and very autistic young boys along with naturally uncomfortable and lonely young girls being led down irreversible Mengelian medical castration.

When liberal, left, and corporations combine their most narcissitic aspects are displayed in such rampant perversions of truth.

As Richie Edwards said in "Yes"

>And in these plagued streets of pity you can buy anything
For £200 anyone can conceive a God on video
He's a boy, you want a girl so chop off his cock
Tie his hair in bunches, fuck him, call him Rita if you want
I eat and I dress and I wash and I still can say thank you
Puking, shaking, sinking I still stand for old ladies
Can't shout, can't scream, hurt myself to get pain out


t. Biologist and Democratic Socialist

>>481202

Spot on.

Conservatism historically hasn't really cared about "culture war" issues the way you assholes believe. There are plenty of conservative fags in this world - conservatism is really fucking gay.

What gets me about all of this is that sexual politics is a screamingly rightist view of society altogether. This idea that the right were the "good guys" has always been a peculiar form of Germanic and Nazi faggotry. Go back to when the left had any backbone whatsoever, in any form we would call it the left, and they had nothing but disdain for perverts and made that known. Making the left take the position of pro-sodomy is a cruel joke and anyone who does it is an idiot.

You really have to ask where this became a political matter or the state's business at all. Historically, the state had no interest in regulating private life in this way. It's always been a eugenic creed initiative. Otherwise, it was delegated to the customs of whomever had authority over these things, whether that was the church or the public official who wrote out the marriage license as a routine thing. That's all the state really has to do with marriage - to say that such a thing exists when two people say it does. Everything about the eugenic offensive hinges on a presumption that your sex life is now state policy and can be nothing else. Most of the sodomy laws were rarely ever enforced to the letter, and such was the disdain for perverts that they were usually just ruled insane and unworthy of a trial. That still stands to this day - so you have to ask, who are the people who are that interested in which men like dick, since this primarily is used to litigate men and enable the orgies and practices of a thing that we are not allowed to actually affect with politics.

Until the right made it a thing, there wasn't a "trans ideology" or a "gay ideology" to speak of. There were certain gay front groups who were obsessed with social engineering, but again, you have to ask what their motivations are. Teaching people to be okay with gay people is not a political matter and has nothing to do with a judge saying it's okay to be gay. It's not about "your choice" though. It's about the right of others to make endless insinuations and weaponize the taboo on sexual behavior, and allow a favored group full freedom to transgress all decencies. That is not most gay or trans people, who certainly aren't favored. They will tell you they live in fear just as they have for decades, and only a fool thinks this society has progressed towards anything but greater repression. Meanwhile, the right promotes "their fags", because conservatism is perverse and gay as fuck.

The trans thing has already created its backlash - just as intended. The militance of the "gay movement" should be an indicator of who and what wants it, and what it is intended for. All sexual politics is eugenic creed shit.

>>480723
It's a pale shadow - fags who want to abase themselves to European conservatives. Look at the European right and they are very strongly pro-faggotry, and this is matched among American conservatives. That's what conservatism is - any excuse to make other people miserable and retreat to the institutions like the cravens they are.

One other thing is that when you look at liberal leaders - European and American alike - they are very deliberate in weaponizing this to their advantage, and really, really do not like the gays. So much of the law and policy regarding this is a liberal product, because they did not want this to be delegated to local authorities or state officers who were unreliable. If someone wanted "gay freedom" or "gay rights", they would not relitigate any of this, and it has always been the rightist vanguard that obsesses over sex and drenches their ideology with such faggotry.

No one who is at all serious believes cutting off a man's penis makes him female, and the law and policy make that clear time and time again. This has always been about punishing people, and about enforcing eugenic creed. Whenever sexpol comes up, it's the same smell of the eugenist curse, as if the law can be abrogated when the holy dogmas are at stake, then reset when reality must ensue. It's always a proxy for attacking someone they consider mental defectives, and no one will ever give up the insinuation machine.

Anyway the historical communist position is that it's perversion and the state has no interest whatsoever in encouraging it. Whether the state wishes to constrain it, and what would be worthwhile for doing so, is another matter. It's really hard to make people have sex, as you might figure out. They're not going to like something they find highly unattractive. Eugenics can't stand that - it must control all preferences and maximize all insinuation.

My pet iguana came out as trans

>>482112
So you are saying the world would improve for everybody if sex was depoliticized ?

Assuming this is true, how'd you do it ?

>>482125
It was never a political matter until assholes insisted it "had" to be. Nobody likes this, nobody follows it more than they are made to, those who do the insinuations make a different ruleset for themselves which allows them unlimited transgression. Everything about sexual politics is eugenic creed shit designed to besiege the population and make them accept ever-worsening conditions. It has always been seen as that, and has to resort to extreme violence and fear to enforce its edicts. The people who want this are very clearly malevolent actors who intend it as a weapon, so simply purge them from positions where they are allowed this transgression. They will of course resort to a campaign of unlimited terror to restore their privileges, but this is not a controvesial question. Purge the Satanic so that we all may live.

>>482131
>simply purge
As a political strategy, purges are kinda meh.

They can backfire spectacularly. Tsar Nik2 did a massive purge against communists and we know how that ended.

Stalin did a lot of purges too, while that was effective at reducing corruption, innocent people got caught in it too and the political damage from that was enormous.

Then there is the matter that our side really doesn't enjoy this activity, which makes it an emotional drain. Purging expends effort.

If Sex-politics are a political weapon used by malevolent actors, maybe we should consider the strategy of getting these malevolent actors to attack each other and when the dust settles, we're left standing without expending much effort.

>>482138
>getting these malevolent actors to attack each other and when the dust settles
I've seen how this plays out, all it does it turn away people who were just warming up to organizing. Regular people don't want to deal with this bullshit.

>>482139
>Regular people don't want to deal with this bullshit.
This feels true, it does appear as if the current system is trying to undermine democratic participation by making it frustrating on purpose.

Maybe that is a good starting point, figuring out what type of interactions are both pleasant for "regular people" as well as politically effective. Maybe the key isn't about removing the bad but rather increasing the good.

As far as purges go, look at the Zionists, they tried to purge, and the resistance against them has expanded tenfold as a result.

>>482138
The Nazis weren't engaged in a "purge" as such in their general operations. The Nazi MO is that only members of their gay club were "real". The point of the Nazis wasn't to perfect society, but to maximize the thrill of torture, as the eugenic creed must. There was no purpose or no endgame, and when dealing with actual enemies, the Nazis were lazy and ineffectual. The people the Nazis purged were poor people who did nothing to them except look unsightly and fail to fit into their race-faggotry. The Jews in Germany were already segregated and minding their business for the most part, and the better off of them were the ones who could get out of the country - all intended by the eugenic creed. The Nazis needed their lab rats and saw an alien population, and then told the Kraut race that as long as they had someone to kick down, they were safe - until they were not. Typical Kraut lies.

As far as actual political purges - and the Nazis like any political party purge their own ranks - the drawback is not societal. Purges as a social engineering tool are deliberately counterproductive, and that thinking is only possible in controlled institutions. It exists to empower the conniver and the filth of the human race, so they may select each other for promotion and punish the honest. Purges in the political class are the political class attacking their own, and they're not merely effective, but the primary way political parties maintain discipline.

For our personal political affairs, purging the Satanic is simple - we simply do not allow them inroads into life ever again, and destroy any insinuation the moment it starts. This would require a social engineering strategy working against the dominant one. That is - we would be declaring war against this society. But, it would be the only way.

A fag who is too lazy to purge that which is truly malevolent is worse than useless.

>>482149
The Arabs/Muslims were never part of the "Israeli" project and have no reason to ever want to be part of such a beast. Political purges imply that standing members of the party are beholden to the party. You can't fight City Hall as a subject.

The Palestinians have always refused to be subjects, and only regard the Entity so far as they must abide something monstrously evil to get the Zionist to go away. "Purge" implies that there was any friendship of the political sort between them. You would not speak of purging society except by institutions which can claim the minds and souls of everyone against their will. That would be religion, except the participants here follow very different religions that are diametrically opposed and know this. So there is one way for purging to work - schools, and mind control efforts.

>>482153
The challenges of purges are that political officers see a purge as something they must prevent to save themselves, and purges are only possible with loyal officers. Stalin cannot personally purge 50 gorillion Russians with his bare hands - that's not how it went down, and purges are never led by imperious will. They are led by factions within a party, against rival factions and through institutions that were under the command of political officers. Every general in an army knows who their bosses are, and the dangers of becoming their own boss if they think about history for five minutes.

>>482152
>The Nazi MO is that only members of their club were "real".
The internal loyalty in Fascist political formations wasn't that great, they did a lot of back-stabbing.
>The point of the Nazis was to maximize the thrill of torture
From the perspective of the sadistic assholes they enlisted perhaps, but from a historic perspective fascism would appear to be national suicide on behalf of the most powerful capitalists. In WW2 you could see Germany being sacrificed to damage the Soviet Union. Japan in a way was sacrificed too, they could have surrendered to China or the Soviets, which would have spared them a lot of US Areal bombardment with fire bombs and of course the 2 nukes.

>when dealing with actual enemies, the Nazis were lazy and ineffectual
There is a history of fascists choosing bad strategy, so i'll give you ineffectual, but lazy ? I don't think so.

>The people the Nazis purged were poor people who did nothing to them except look unsightly and fail to fit into their race-faggotry.
Interesting thought, however the top figures in the Nazi movements were not attractive or "well put together". The Nazi movie villains tend to have a particular fashion style, but if you look at actual historic pictures, not so much.

>as long as they had someone to kick down, they were safe - until they were not.
Yeah it does look like Fascism creates these sacrificial hierarchies.

>>482153
>For our personal political affairs, purging the Satanic is simple - we simply do not allow them inroads into life ever again, and destroy any insinuation the moment it starts. This would require a social engineering strategy working against the dominant one. That is - we would be declaring war against this society.

Declaring war against society seems like bad advice tho. For successful mass politics you have to divert most of your efforts towards elevating the beneficial things, obviously some effort has to be diverted to prevent wreckers from derailing the political goals, but that can not be the priority.

>>482155
>The challenges of purges are that political officers see a purge as something they must prevent to save themselves, and purges are only possible with loyal officers. Stalin cannot personally purge 50 gorillion Russians
Reasonably unbiased historians estimated that Stalin's purges affected between 1800 and 3000 people during his roughly 30 year in political office. I'm not going to judge the morality of that, because those were a very different times and i don't know how to weigh things like facing an existential struggle in the world wars, nearly a century removed from that.

I'm only looking at this from the point of view of political strategy. Take for example a few years ago that situation in Venezuela, where that CIA-guido tried to usurp the Maduro government. Maduro could have cracked down hard, because of attempted sedition and treason, but he did no such thing, eventually the wrecker just faded into obscurity. That's what we want.

Westerners are ridiculously tribalistic. They are not interested in the question "what is a woman?" from an ontological point of view but as a passport to see if they belong to a tribe. If you support trans people you are a "trans-inclusive feminist" and if you reject them you are a "trans-exclusionary feminist." Now the battle is over which tribe is the true feminism. And so with their pseudo nations, their races, their histories (yes, because each tribe will have its historians).

Identity politics are open to a variety of criticisms. But such people should definitely not be eradicated, they do not break with Marxism in themselves, and the analysis made by Westerners is once again opening a debate on whether or not they belong to our tribe.

Do you want to play tribes? Then let's see which island is closer to us, Cuba with its free treatments for trans people or the British approach. Or let's go back to that divided Berlin and how in the East it not only recognized but carried out transgender surgeries while on the other side they had the same approach as the current one in the United States.

>>480727
>>480728
This.

I repeat, the idpol accept criticism and are not the focus, but the puritans need to shut the fuck up.

>basic biological facts
the "basic economics" of trans argument shit. as if any of this shit, including what makes a "man" and what makes a "woman" isn't pure ideology.

anyone trying to frame this as an issue of "biology" immediately gives themselves away. no one is talking about the biological qualifications of bathroom use or the genetic particulars involved in wearing dresses. essentialism is their last refuge in the same vein as idiot "race realists" and other reactionary scum.

all this "think of the children" shit is played out too. give me a fucking break.

>>485293
The funny thing about this "debate" is that it is piloted on all side by the same shameless influencers who are talking to each other and forcing everyone to "learn the controversy" where there is none. Outside of this manufactured discourse, no one has any serious illusions about what a man and a woman are. The people who care the most are eugenists who drench everything they do in sexualism and insinuation, right and "left". All of this has been a very right-wing framing that gives an excuse to regulate private life to this fucking monopoly, and it's always like that with this sort of thing.

The same Heritage Foundation Nazis who bitch about "the trans" promote the ideology in their elite circles because they are Nazis and Nazis love transhumanism. You can go back to the Nazi vanguard and it was the same thing. Homosexualism was and remains rampant among eugenists.

After pushing the controversy through Tavistock for decades, the other Fabian / Chatham House tentacle of the Heritage Foundation Nazis are activated to cash in. You're all assholes for encouraging any of their talking points.

>>482158
They make it sound like he was turbocharging the firing squads in the Fabian revised history. Even I'm surprised that so few Communist Party members were purged in the "Great Purge". Lower body count than good incorruptible Robespierre ffs.

All of this has been a British-funded psyop, you know. Elsewhere in the world, the idea that you could "assign sex" was seen as some sort of mental illness, with the lone exception being British exports waging culture war faggotry. It comes back to a Germanic idea that science was the enemy, and they truly are a retarded race; but the German philosophical arguments about essentialism were only weaponized by the Anglos, or were used by Nazi fags to insist that science can't be real especially when it comes to any independent race. A Satanic race cannot change.

>>480629
Im not for or against idpol issues like this.

>>480629
I've been banned for literally posting the policies of China/USSR because it goes against the LGBT troonie agenda of the mods.
I've said it numerous times, the vast majority of Communists on earth and through history, would be banned from Leftypol. They would have literally banned anyone from the USSR in WW2 for working with the British and Americans against Nazi Germany as well.

>>480667
WPATH, Europe and UK is winding back a lot of the gender woo based on independent Governmental reviews due to Socialized healthcare systems.
I've read through tonns of Gender theory and studies and it's literally all contradictory horseshit that makes no sense that they twist and turn to come to pre-concieved priori positions. You would be shocked by how a huge portion of Gender studies, this is shit appearing in journals, literally cites back to Tumblr posts written by teenagers in the 2000s.
Another point you can really come to that Gender/Trans Rights Activists have no coherent position is their utter refusal to debate "TERFs" and if one does get baited into debate on the rare occasion, how quickly they fall straight into purely emotion/empathetic "Good fucking person" blackmail arguments, and out of context buzzphrases rather than actually arguing anything resembling a coherent, theoretical viewpoint.
https://x.com/DouglasSpaeder/status/1852414050145292795
Here's a good video of Haz just utterly demolishing a Trans Rights Activist with just very basic logical questioning, which shows that Troonies aren't even used to anyone questioning their dogma.

>>485484
>shit appearing in journals, literally cites back to Tumblr posts written by teenagers in the 2000s.
Source or example?

>>480679
Bringing sexual shit into discussions about people's material conditions, work and exploitation of the MAJORITY of people in the world should be seen for what it is: someone that is a sex-obsessed pervert bringing their particular fetishes into an economics discussion.

>>485499
The pride flag being the flag of modern liberalism is bizarre honestly, considering it's literally a sex flag.
Why Liberals don't see this, or how having sex clowns twerk in front of children while "reading" stories is honestly bonkers to me. Liberals seemingly are trying to make the entirety of society coomers or some shit.

How exactly did .org/8ch Leftypol go from anti-Idpol, Materialist, extremely critical of shitlib politics to literally Idpol/Troon central where you literally can't even discuss major topics like immigration or culture unless it's felating the most shitlib of shitlib positions? Like you dare even just repeat Chinese or Soviet policy on the topic and ban "/pol/".
On 8ch, I remember the Rojava split, but I always remember being being fanatically anti-Idpol. Hell there was even a Dugin worshipping Nazbol contingent, but now it's just troon shitlibs who spam half the threads with sissyporn.

>>485516
Liberals already have a soxiety full of coomers due to "rape culture".

>>480629
I don't really feel a need to police people's private life. The Left has way more important things to deal with. Whether you "agree" with it or not, it's all kind of pointless to waste political and ideological capital on this issue. Privately I feel like 99% of trans people are just AGP incels trying to reset their life on an easier difficulty mode. But it's also no skin off my back as long as they support the overthrow of capitalism and the worker's revolution.