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 No.473597[Reply]

How do you apply Marxist theory? Is it even feasible or possible in today's climate?

And if it isn't practicable, isn't theory without application shit (Mao's words, not mine)?
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 No.474082

>>474069
Painting fascism in red is still fascism.
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 No.474083

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 No.474085

>>474074
>>474081
>>474082
cringe poster

>>474083
hm i didn't know there was overlap with leftcom-theory and neoliberal ideology.
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 No.474099

>>473830
This is why “leftism” is such a stupid deviation. Even Marxist “critical” of leftist tendencies fall into this pit of ideology,aesthetics and general politics. ironically if Marx and Engels were alive today they would think leftists are annoying and lame while they would exchange emails about some random fucking conservative economist or something who happens to have a material grasp on economic
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 No.474215

>>474099
Marx even thought the leftists of his time were lame and annoying.


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 No.474089[Reply]

During the covid happening, wearing a particle-filter-mask was turned into a politically polarizing symbol of conformity. Most of the wearable particle-filter-gear was of the surgical-mask type which are also unpleasant to wear. These also only were 70% effective because they lack a proper air-seal for the skin-contact areas. Many people also didn't like that faces were partially obscured.

This has seriously degraded the perception of wearable filter-gear.

All the technical short-commings can be fixed, there are comfortable face-filters, that being transparent, do not mask parts of people's faces and have decent air-seals that make them very effective. If 80% of the population could be convinced to willingly wear those during flu-season, it might be possible to diminish the common-flue enough that most people wouldn't suffer any symptoms.

Can face filters be rehabilitated ?
Can people see these as particle filters that might free them from getting the sniffles and sneezies, instead of a political symbol ?
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 No.474097

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>>474095
>That ought to be a fixable flaw.
Well yeah, here's your fix.
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 No.474098

>>474097
A modified re-breather loop is actually not a bad idea.
You would not need CO2 scrubber material or an oxygen supply. You only need to make the loop out of a suitable gas-permeable materiel, that will equalize CO2 and oxygen concentrations with the outside air, via molecular exchange through the gas-permeable barrier. It's basically a filter that needs zero air-flow, because it can exploit Dalton’s Law.

<The Pressure of a Mixture of Gases: Dalton’s Law

<Unless they chemically react with each other, the individual gases in a mixture of gases do not affect each other’s pressure. Each individual gas in a mixture exerts the same pressure that it would exert if it was present alone in the container. The pressure exerted by each individual gas in a mixture is called its partial pressure .

Basically the air you breath out into the re-breather-loop only has around 16% oxygen left in it. The partial pressure for oxygen inside the re-breather-loop would be much lower than the outside air. Pressure equalization would draw in lots of oxygen-gas through the gas-permeable material. The same would happen for CO2 but in the other direction. Gas-permeability only needs holes large enough for molecules to fit through, viruses are huge compared to molecules.
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 No.474105

>>474091

As a non-science guy, why should I trust that instead of this?

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2119266119
>We resolve conflicting results regarding mask wearing against COVID-19. Most previous work focused on mask mandates; we study the effect of mask wearing directly. We find that population mask wearing notably reduced SARS-CoV-2 transmission (mean mask-wearing levels corresponding to a 19% decrease in R). We use the largest wearing survey (n = 20 million) and obtain our estimates from regions across six continents. >We account for nonpharmaceutical interventions and time spent in public, and quantify our uncertainty. Factors additional to mask mandates influenced the worldwide early uptake of mask wearing. Our analysis goes further than past work in the quality of wearing data–100 times the size with random sampling–geographical scope, a semimechanistic infection model, and the validation of our results.
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 No.474106

>>474105
Because the Cochraine review is a meta study of multiple randomized controlled trials, while that PNAS paper is an observational study based on self-reported data without any experimental design. Carefully controlled experimental design is more reliable at removing confounding variables than observational data.
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 No.474107

>>474106
I'm reading an article rn in which a guy claims that the Cochrane review included studies in which N95s were used "intermittently."
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/expert-slams-gold-standard-cochrane-review-mask-verdict/news-story/af7f698fefb0d4ea3e742a2fba3e06b3
>“The Conchrane review combined studies that were dissimilar — they were in different settings (healthcare and community) and measuring different outcomes (continuous use ofN95 vs intermittent),” she said.

If it was broad enough that mask use wasn't even required to be consistent, that seems like it might be too broad.

It also looks like Cochrane themselves have acknowledged the limits of their review:
https://www.cochrane.org/news/statement-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses-review
>The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm.

This seems in line with the flaws the Australian critic pointed to…


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 No.474047[Reply]

Hello, I hate leftoids.

Can someone explain to me why there are no marxists books on constitutionalism and the system of law in general? Countless books have been written about some irrelevant philosophycel wankings, but the only book that deals with the system of law, this fundamental concept of bourgeois society, is by Pashukanis, and by modern russkie constitutionalists, who analyze the soviet practice of law from their own positions, and who unironically vindicate Pashukanis's position that there could be no such thing as a "proletarian law", because the system of law in the Soviet Union was a fiction, a hollow imitation of the bourgeois institutions.
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 No.474048

>>474047
>the system of law in the Soviet Union was a fiction, a hollow imitation of the bourgeois institutions.
this also poses an interesting question from a histmat perspective of WHY there was an objective need to imitate those institutions? WHY the need for a decorative, formal, constitution? WHY the need for a complex hierarchy of legal norms completely removed from reality?
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 No.474051

you're a faggot
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 No.476740

>>474047
>Hello, I hate leftoids.
Basiert.

>>474048
>>the system of law in the Soviet Union was a fiction, a hollow imitation of the bourgeois institutions.
>WHY there was an objective need to imitate those institutions?
Because the ruling class wants to isolate itself from the other class(es) as much as possible, political system being the main obstacle between them.
Dang, really makes you think why would a commodity producing corporate-state want to ape the same procedures its commodity producing corporativist states partners in trade always did. Surely they weren't exchanging their collective experience in this regard.


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 No.473633[Reply]

>Is literally becoming petty bourgeois based?
>What about PMC?

It sucks working for other people, mostly because it's monotonous, you lack autonomy and anybsense that youre building something (alienation). Therefore, is it based to start a small business, do some sort of start up, or become a 'soloprenure.' Insofar, as revolution isn't on the table this week, is it a suitable and morally permissible personal alternative in the meantime.

What about something like PMC? Is it ok to become a social worker, teacher, marketer, graphic designer, security guard, or direct manager? It doesn't provide the same level of autonomy or freedom, but maybe that way I can make a difference and actually use my liberal arts degree and not be a barista my whole life.

How do these two options compare on different levels
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 No.473796

>>473794
The first essay in Mao's collected works is 'an analysis of classes in Chinese Society.' It's detailed an nuanced. He never says, 'lol, theyre just working class.'

Try again
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 No.473797

>>473736
>There's no such thing as a PMC.
We know that the managerial strata and the technical intelligentsia is a real thing. When the Soviet system was getting dissolved these people did not side with the proletariat.
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 No.473798

>>473794
>someone in transportation like a trucker or forklift driver wouldn't ally with the broader working class just because they don't produce surplus?
Are you sure they don't produce economic surplus ?
The production of a commodity tends to be spread over many factories that have transport in-between.
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 No.473799

>>473711
Exactly. This is literally the universal petty bourg experience

https://youtu.be/822KO8dPs0M?si=-XCAg7dM3gjJJ4Y3
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 No.476737

>>473663
>& managers who own or control their own means of production, but are not part of the capitalist class
So if you own your own means of production & participate in the economy then you are a kind of bourgeoisie but you're also not a capitalist @ the same time.
Ah, they must be the capitalist class of proletariat then.
Or they are still the capitalist class of bourgeoisie?
Both of which existed long before capitalism.

>simplysociology.cum

popsci is a tool of class ideology propaganda & all of its participants will be sent to reeducation mines in the Arctic, along with marxoids, their closest (& practically & also theorethically lobotomized) brethren.

>>473711
>becoming self employed… is a good escape away from the systems of capitalism
>when you start exploit yourself by yourself for serving the same economy it counts as an escape from the economy

>remaining a working class joe is more important due to the need to spread awareness and solidarity among the working class

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 No.473143[Reply]

What can the left learn from 'compliance and behavior experts' (salesmen, marketers, recruiters, advertisers, etc)?
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 No.473188

>>473173
How has that worked out for you?
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 No.473192

>>473188
In marketing they see the consumer as the "enemy" they want to "wage information war-fare" against, and their goal is manipulating consumers to buy overpriced products with consumer-hostile features , like subscription scams that attack personal property, privacy-violating anti-features, non-standard-compliant design, modification/repair-hostile design , planned obsolescence, etc.

On the classical left we don't see the masses as the enemy. What are we supposed to do with those "emotion-manipulation-weapons"
Are we supposed to try to screw over the capitalist class, should we all turn into con-men that sell investor scams ?

Is your revolutionary strategy to trick the capitalists into abolishing their class-privilege ?
Can you explain how that's supposed to work in praxis ?

Usually socialists want a organized proletariat that gains the power to remake society to serve it's interests. How would we get from scamming capitalist to that ?
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 No.473772

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Lol. Far leftists are too dim witted to use info like pic related to their benefit. They'd rather pat themselves on the back for being above it all while constantly losing.
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 No.473773

>>473772
>during the COVID-19 outbreak of 2020

What's the next page say?
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 No.473775

>>473773
Basically, the most effective message to ensure cucks wear a cuckmask is showing them other cucks wearing a cuckmask.

This is probably why …they… are always trying to censor and cancel dissenting voices and opinions. Gotta keep up the appearance of social proof.


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 No.473287[Reply]

It appears that the UK has arrested a parliamentary researcher and accused him of being a Chinese spy in order to manufacture consent for pressuring the current UK government to be more hostile towards China.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/uk-suspect-denies-being-chinese-spy-beijing-slams-claims-3762371
<The spying claims, first disclosed in The Sunday Times, are putting pressure on Sunak's government to toughen its policy on China as it seeks greater engagement with the Asian superpower.

I'm assuming Chinese spies are indeed trying to infiltrate the UK government and the reverse is also likely. That's to be expected from inter-state competition. But i don't believe that UK counter intelligence would make a public fuzz about uncovering a spy. If you catch a spy, you try to exploit the situation to feed you're opponent bogus information.

I wonder if that researcher was just some unlucky rando who got sacrificed for a political stunt, or whether they're purging that guy for political reasons. Like was he promoting a insufficiently hostile china stance or something ?

Any anons knowledgeable about the UK, or care to speculate about the spy biz.
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 No.473732

>>473287
It's probably just MI5 trying to justify their ludicrous budget by arresting some innocent chink.


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 No.473432[Reply]

Random Thoughts on Happiness and Unhappiness

>quick aside about pic related


why do …they… try to gaslight westerners into believing that they are so happy. it's obvious that's not the case. Opioid and antidepressant use has been on the rise. along with suicides, homelessness, etc.

Is it part of a larger fake and ghey Truman Show-esque programming - one which goes in all sort of directions (Trump tried to become fashist dictator blah blah, look, aliens!, etc).

<what makes America such a spiritual shithole and terrible place to live, especially if you're in a city?


1) not just capitalism

The midwits will say something about capitalism in general. This dull and unoriginal belief ignores the obvious fact that every country is capitalist, and capitalism is fairly old with respect to conditions today

They then point to fake and ghey stats similar to pic related, citing countries like Norway and New Zealand. They mention social programs. These same countries are also pointed to by white supremacists as examples of countries where ethnically homogeneous white states have better outcomes for individuals. Ironically (?), Israel - a social imperialist settler state - also ranks high on expertly supplied stats comparing happiness globally.
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 No.473578

>>473567
To expand, it’s literally the exact same notion as Christian nations portraying themselves as enlightened and “civilized” despite the barbaric and backwards conditions of feudalism, namely tsarist Russia. Nations who did not engage in Christianity were deemed savage or “in development”. It is exactly the same case with psychology today. Any nation that does not base itself on the theories of western psychology is considered not progressive enough or just flat out totalitarian.institutions for social peace have always existed I feel like, and sorel was right that the state has refined it into something that directly benefits the classes, when prior to the state it was more integral to maintaining a reality. I feel like this needs to be a huge aspect that needs to be added in Marxism.
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 No.473580

>>473578
>sorel
who ?
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 No.473581

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 No.473635

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>>473578
Based reply
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 No.476736

>>473567
>Psychology is a bourgeoisie ideology
>muh kike physics
>science is the tool of the kike world ordnung to dunk on me
>psychos the rapists who directly challenged the present status quo from the position of anti-cumformistic human psychology must be planted opposition from the jewish glowing uyghurs
Leftardoids (left capitalists with welfare characteristics) just can't stop to amaze!


 No.471158[Reply]

U.S. soldier facing disciplinary action flees into North Korea


It said a person who said they witnessed the event and was part of the same tour group told CBS News they had just visited one of the buildings at the site when "this man gives out a loud 'ha ha ha,' and just runs in between some buildings."

CBS cited the witness as saying that military personnel reacted within seconds to the man's actions, but initially, there was confusion.


"I thought it was a bad joke at first, but when he didn't come back, I realized it wasn't a joke, and then everybody reacted and things got crazy," it quoted the witness as saying.



Recent news happening. Is he a real uygha?
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 No.471439

Honestly I would do the same and try to get sent to china and live the rest of my life there
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 No.471444

>>471161
Mein gott
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 No.473219

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 No.473258

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 No.473584

>>471167
>one wonders what they're put into that discipline
he dindu nuffin


 No.473163[Reply]

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=I0i0mnhobNs

Norman Finkelstein gave a pretty decent interview where he succinctly summed up the woke left.


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 No.473125[Reply]

No discussion, no criticism. The marginal struggle of a stratum of the first world proletariat is to be at the forefront of the entire movement. There is nothing here than empty phrases. Individual proletarians have taken up the most difficult task of them all – to subvert billions of their comrades. They have taken up arms, guns, spears against the African poor, the Chinese industrial worker, the Indian farmer. They have accepted the nazifascistic semi-colonial Western holdings in the Far East, Eastern Europe and elsewhere and gladly march besides them. These do not endanger their purely individualistic need to satisfy the immediate want of changing themselves, however superficially, when the entire world is yearning to be changed. The western working class should walk arm in arm with the entire proletariat, be the vanguard that teaches the proletariat and is taught by them - yet this does not happen. The discourse is always preemptively silenced, the opposition is purged and only one thing remains - the identity, the Holy Ego, the Creative Nothing, the Unique. A nihilistic, petty-bourgeois ideology has wrapped the minds of our European comrades and it is our duty to get them back into the movement like the father accepted his lost son.

Sloganeering is the sign of a defeated mind, someone who wants to symbolically pay respect to the liberatory struggle of the entire proletariat by giving their dues to the most oppressed, most excluded, most ostracized stratum of the working class. It is wholly Christian in nature and it is utmost a reactionary practice. The footsoldiers of capital are no longer Freikorps or Junkers, but those unable to separate their personalities from the actual movement of history; comrades, which have fallen into the miasma of individualism and liberalism thusly justifying imperialism as long the ruling class gives them more concessions, violently taken from the Third World.

Our comrades don't want to accept that a non-European, non-Christian dictatorship of the proletariat is possible. They use any and all pseudo-Christian rhetoric, sometimes going as far as eschatology or Messianic complexes, to justify their reactionary and pseudo-bourgeois, pseudo-fascistic worldviews. They do not care about dismantling imperialism, they care only that they don't get the short end of the stick. The Western proletariat is a dead man walking and only total decolonization, denazification, demonetization and the end of western imperPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.473126

Cry harder
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 No.473136

>>473125
You aren't wrong about your criticism of pro-imperialist voices, however the western proletariat doesn't benefit from imperialism anymore. Imperialism is now having direct negative consequences for the western proletariat.


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