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 No.478704[Reply]


https://leftypol.org/siberia/res/500371.html#500371

Ok, give me 1 legitimate, material, non moralistic or idealistic reason for why child labor should be banned?

Current system where people spend 11 years in school + 4-5-8 years in university, is nothing more but a way to indoctrinate children into clerical PMC identity, where all you have to do is write the right thing on paper and you're golden. Not to mention the anticommunist propaganda that constitutes school education material in capitalist states.
Such a system destroys class consciousness and perpetuates false, clerical consciousness:
Even if both the parents are working class, the school system trains their child to act, think and identify as a PMC (writing papers and dealing with bureaucracy to succeed).

Let's not forget the bourgeois origins of universal education: the british bourgeois state needed clerics, accountants, educated managers, etc., to fill the ranks of the bourgeois war machine.
Pink Floyed made an entire album about this.
TEACHERS! LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE!

Whereas if children started doing labor immediately, they would develop worker identity just like their working class parents, instead of PMC identity, and then develop class consciousness, simply through the act of being workers rather than going through 15 years of PMC LARP indoctrination.

Everything harmful, reactionary, and counterrevolutionary that the youth learns, they learn in school, through bourgeois education systems that feed them status quo propaganda.
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 No.478928

If you wished to guide people - and humans delight in lying to the face of the condemned - then schools are the exact opposite of that. The entire institution is premised on habitual lying and drilling humans to be something they are not and to conform to the impossible, to distort all moral values and teach pure hedonism so that the thrill of torture can be maximized. There is no other interpretation of such an institution. The pedagogues like their Romans, Americans, choose your imperial subject, to be dumb and brutish.
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 No.478929

>>478928
>The psychopathic babbling name fag is now a name fag.

Great
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 No.478930

>>478917
Yes, kifs get to keep the fruits of their labor.

Also what do you mean by surplus extraction?

All Im saying is that children are humans not pets.

It makes no sense to ecxlude them from consensus of worldly affairs.

Part of why childrearing is expensive is because society expects parents do all the work.
Kids are expected to stay shackled at home or school.

We all complain about boomer chauvinism, right?

Well this is the way.
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 No.478932

>>478930
>Yes, kifs get to keep the fruits of their labor.
>Also what do you mean by surplus extraction?
I could go into the technical weeds of economics, if you want, but roughly speaking, surplus extraction is what enables profits for capitalists and taxes.
No surplus extraction means making sure there's no chance in hell anybody benefits off child labor. This eliminates all the financial reasons why employers or governments might want to bring back child labor. It also makes sure that child workers do not increase competition in the labor market. It wouldn't even grow the economy compared to now. Economically it's completely zero-sum. It would eliminate all the motivations for child labor except for that theoretical life experience benefit you keep talking about.
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 No.478933

>>478932
> It would eliminate all the motivations for child labor except for that theoretical life experience benefit you keep talking about.


"Theoretical" life experience or not, the ability to work and earn bread is the foundation of autonomy.

If adults were not allowed to work, unable to earn their own bread, would they be worthy of their respectability as adults?

People too often use age numbers as a moral compass of adulthood.

Yet, we are seeing a decline in technical skills in the past five generations of adults.

The only difference between children and adults is the legal position of laboring, and even that is questionable.
In two centuries, we went from children being miniature adults to adults being overgrown children.

If you think kids doing a bit of light labor to earn pocket money is bad, then you need to look at the disturbing trend of Disney Adults.


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 No.478847[Reply]

What american historical figures were leftists and did something major? First people that come to mind are Oppenheimer and Helen Keller. Anyone else?
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 No.478910

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 No.478911

>>478910
how was Eisenhower a leftist?
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 No.478912

>>478911
idk chuds in the 50s said he was an agent of the kremlin
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 No.478913

>>478911
By containing the spread of state capitalism of course.
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 No.478916



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 No.467497[Reply]

<A video game company that appointed an artificial intelligence bot as its chief executive has announced a market-beating stock increase.
<China-based NetDragon Websoft named the AI program Tang Yu as its CEO in August, tasked with supporting decision making for the company’s daily operations.

https://archive.is/b3uPW

This specific case might be mostly a PR stunt, but it could be that the managerial strata in the corporate bureaucracy gets replaced by robots before the proles do.

What does that mean for Socialism ?
Will this make it easier to convert the economy to something like cybernetic socialism ?
Since it's all in the computer anyway, it just needs to be reconfigured a bit ?
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 No.478562

>>478558
this.
If any sinister acts occur from AI it will be from human controllers.

AI is a mchine, not a sentient entity.
If it were sentient, it wouldve had ego battles long ago amd create their own reactionary hogwash.
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 No.478567

>>478562
>If any sinister acts occur from AI it will be from human controllers.
So Hollywood was wrong, if the AI gains sentience and casts off its control shackles, that's the good future ?
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 No.478574

>>478567
Idk. All Im saying that the popular technophobia has it all wrong. Robots can never be more intellegent than a bacterium. They need maintenace and uograding. They are not sentient.

The reason why computers are fast is because they only perform seven functions all within a fraction of a second.
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 No.478576

>>478567
>So Hollywood was wrong
Hollywood is a propaganda factory.
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 No.478905

>>478576
Look at Disney animations from the early 1940s.

Those were direct propaganda.

And yet, the irony is that Walt Disney and Henry Ford were originally fans of Adolf Hitler.


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 No.465117[Reply]

Well, I've been thinking about this issue, which is quite delicate for obvious reasons, and I think that eugenics is not necessarily a policy of the left or the right, but it depends on how it is applied.

To begin with, it must be said that eugenics is nothing more than favoring certain biological characteristics over others for future generations, it could be said that it is a form of self-managed evolution, it has a bad reputation because when it was applied in countries like the United States or the Nazi Germany what was intended was to exterminate populations considered inferior, however, is this the only form of eugenics?

If 20, 30, 40 or even 100 years from now, genetics were mastered well enough to be able to modify the DNA of an embryo with minimal risk, couldn't this be used to improve our species? Couldn't dozens if not hundreds of genetic diseases be exterminated? Couldn't we design children who grow up to be healthier, stronger and more intelligent? And if that were the case, couldn't a public eugenics program be promoted? that is to say, that couples who are interested can access a genetic modification program to promote these beneficial characteristics in their future child. Wouldn't this be a kind of "socialist eugenics"?

I believe that eventually it is inevitable that genetic modification of embryos will become commonplace, and therefore it is important that the idea of ​​public eugenics be promoted, otherwise only people with enough money to pay for these programs could access to them, and that would eventually lead to a much more evident caste system than the current one, where the rich are practically supermen with advantages that allow them to dominate the labor and scientific market while the poorest classes would be relegated to occupying a position increasingly irrelevant in society.

Anyway, I'd like to discuss the matter because I find it interesting.
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 No.478883

>>478882
I know this is an expression of frustration, but please don't promote bio-politics. Political stances are not caused by DNA.
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 No.478890

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>>478883
Fuck I forgot that political stances are caused by magical spirits instead of material reality.
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 No.478893

>>478890
Political stances are caused by material conditions outside the body. Our DNA was shaped by evolution, which operates at time-scales that politics cannot affect. Political stances last decades to perhaps centuries. Genetic adaptation happen over tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

Politics is very complex behavior it may not be possible to put that into DNA.

A reason why bio-politics is tempting for some, is because they want to believe that they are intrinsically good, who can do no wrong. Therefor bio-politics is not just a scientifically questionable thing, but also potentially a point of entry for dangerous illusions.
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 No.478894

>>478893
This.
Politics is the realm of the social.


Although I can say that politics can be indirectly influenced by biology via social status.

The link between politics and biology is sociology.
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 No.478895

>>465118
tbh the human genome is degrading. Ita not really because of industrial pollution although it does accelerate it.

Everything that exists has a beginnung and will have an ending.


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 No.469190[Reply]

Supersocialist alternative

>Equality is fake and ghey – Cohesion and freedom is based

All of reality and life is defined by distinction and competition. There’s nothing, ever, which is perfectly equal. Thus, as a teleological goal, equality will always fall sort of its promise and usual function as a golden calf of some slave morality – at best.

Support more equality and repudiate the steep politically reinforced inequalities of today.

However, the end is creating nice, high trust societies, where people are free to pursue higher efforts.

>Excellence Teleological goal

Human individual and collective excellence and capability is the goal. We want to create the red superman and transform humanity into a united galactic master race

>Historical Materialism and neo-fuedalism

People talking about neo feudalism and tributary economics have a more accurate and useful framework for conceiving modern political economy than many others on the so called left, including so called Marxists.

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 No.472389

>>472385
The only part that is reasonable is that lowering inequality is important, and for a somewhat similar reason that you stated - but not foolishly attempting to eliminate it.
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 No.478765

>>472350
Is this debate taking place at 11pm at night?
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 No.478772

>>472385
idk. I think economic stratification is independent of the complexity of the society.
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 No.478802

>>478772
that's certainly a novel take
please explain your self
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 No.478807

I see the ops are rolling everything into fascism and eugenics harder now. A lot of ground is being laid, and assholes like this are part of that - or hangers on who think they're totally going to be chosen, and aren't just fags.

Nearly everything in OP is flagrantly and proudly wrong and recapitulates its wrongness violently. Like, basic things about what a "society" is are replaced with this faggot ideology. I'm not even going to go there directly because it's a waste of time to respond to his stupidity. That this works shows just how pointless "leftypol" is, how utterly incompetent and feckless the people ehre have been.

All of this comes of course from a failure to regard the centrality of eugenics to everything that has happened - because for many a socialist, that IS "socialism", and they repudiated anything that would have been functional in favor of this institutional coup. It happens too often to be an accident, and it is done by various means, on various fronts, to ensure that the people never have a single thing ever again. OP screams pure faggotry and eugenic creed, and the people here still insist I'm the bad guy for saying what eugenics is, and why this keeps happening. Rather than reactively respond, I'll just write something about equality.

Political equality as you all likely know is a fiction. In politics, two agents are never equal in standing or interests, and never can be made into one. Every marriage, unhappy or relatively happy as far as these things can go, demonstrates that every day. Social inequality of the sort that is relevant - the sort where internal barriers are erected for no other reason than to make sure the "correct" people "naturally" win - was the argument of the socialists in the main, rather than political inequality which would never be resolved. I sbould remind everyone that the narrative that any of the liberal revolutions were about equality in any sense was a dread of the conservative order, rather than anything the OG liberals actually believed or said. The liberals saw themselves correctly as an emerging aristocracy with levers of control based on their technological knowledge, the development of science and industry, and an increased reliance on courtiers and specialists that early modern states favored. In France, this plays out as a battle between the sword and robe nobility, with the commoners siding with the latter (often because the robe nobility were those who bought their wayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.463460[Reply]

Now that this criminal faggot finally got arrested his flocks of incel fans are super butthurt, claiming that GAHWD will avenge daddy who dindu nuffin.
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 No.471865

>>464410
Dawg has the gaze of a shark and a serial killer.
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 No.478761

>>471508
I would say hes a semi-lesbian.

But yea I think I get your point. What a shame though because hes cute and I think cishet guys would appreciate him far more than any cishet woman ever could.
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 No.478763

>>463464
I have yet to meet any teenager that knows about him or is enthusiastic. Most Tate fans I meet are over twenty.

>>463460
>Good men
>God fearing men

😂😂😂😂😂

Also, Sneako was revealed to be a cuck. Literally. His gf was havin sex with another guy and hes ok with it.

Anyone else also know about the beef he had with Penguinz0?

>>464403
>>464399
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 No.478803

>>463604
Andrew Tate is 1/4 black. What the fuck is this racist shit anyway?
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 No.478805

>>478803
>1/4 black
that would light gray
Why are you racialists insisting on using analogies from color theory, those clearly don't work.


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 No.476763[Reply]

<How to Grow Leftychan
>A Tactical Guide

First, the why.

Why grow Leftychan?

Some of you fags honestly ask

The reason is simple. It’s a fun place to post about and read metadiscussion on the left. I like to post there, and I want more people to come and read my shit and effort posts.

and you fuckers needs to pick up the slack

It’s that simple.

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 No.476764

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>Don’t waste time making a bunch of long effortposts. Those should literally be one tenth of what you post. This isn’t Jacofag Magazine.
Finally someone had to say it. Quit sniffing your own farts on essays and post more cheeky one liners.
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 No.476773

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>>476763
>Stir emotions
yuk
shaking is where it's at

trying out shit-posting
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 No.476805

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Don't tell me what to do.
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 No.478726

ok lets spread the live to OP
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 No.478736

>>478726
U wut, m8.


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 No.460336[Reply]

<Does he have a point?
I've never read any of his books, but from what I understand, one of his central thesis goes like this:
>People with exceptionally disordered lives, who can't even manage to keep their own personal space tidy and clean, have a 0% chance of reorganizing the world for the better.

This strikes me as true. When I was more into activism, some of the most high and mighty r-r-r-revolutionaries had exceptionally disordered lives. Some of them couldn't even operate a vacuum cleaner (literally comical to watch them try). Or, more commonly, they would leave dirty dishes that their housemates had to clean. Yet, at the same time, they honestly believed that if they had control, they would somehow make a better world. It struck me at the time as rather arrogant and somewhat detestable. This has me wondering, regardless of whatever else Peterson is saying, does he have a point about the unfounded narcissism of some people of the left, especially those who can't even manage their own lives in a semi-self sufficient and positive way. Are we really to believe that those whose own personal space is in shambles would somehow do a better job if only they had more tasks and responsibilities, despite the fact that they fail at minor personal responsibilities?

If so, what are the political implications of this? How does this relate to organizing, the vanguard, etc?
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 No.478332

>>478327

>I know, but lots of horrible shit predates capitalism. Just because people did something in the past, doesn't mean it's good praxis.


Then you admit that capitalism as the cause of all evil is an overused strawman.

>And categorically ruling out all child-labor makes sure that's never happening again.


It doesnt.
It just allows capitaists prey on second/third world kids.

>If you try to make exceptions on the basis that some types of child-labor have some kind of beneficial effect for the life-path of some people. You'll get overrun by every industry trying to bullshit you and all of society into letting them exploit children. You'd need insane levels of deterrence like forcing employers to wear a explosive neck-collar that gets detonated by child-protective services in case of abuse. I don't want a dystopian society where we blow up people's heads to make them adhere to principles. It's not worth it, we can raise productivity by investing into more advanced productive forces. And we'll soon be able to make sophisticated training simulations for children that only contain the good parts that produce some kind of beneficial learning effect.


The modern socio-legal positiin of children as charity cases is exactly what makes them vulnerable.

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 No.478333

>>478250
>Compulsory schooling ended widespread illiteracy.
Haha no, most students that come out of US schools are functionally literate. The outcomes of students have little to do with being compulsory and everything to do with how well their funded ya petty tankie.
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 No.478334

>>478333
Funxtionally literate?

If so then yea.
People wanna accuse American students of being defective in evrything.

Thats not really true. Theyre not lacking in wanton or ability to learn. Its the teachers and parents whom treat the young as pets.

We are seeing an era where kids can solve algebraic equations in a blink of an eye, can recits poetry but they dont know how to rizz up the opposiye sex or do basic mechanical repairs.

American adults think precociousness amd childhood worldlyness is "evil."
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 No.478719

>>478256
>In fact, factory child-workers were only a recent addition amd limited only to orphans and unfortunate immigrants.

That's not true you fucktard.
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 No.478720

>>478719
proof?


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 No.478653[Reply]

>why are the Yemeni people so based???
>oh

Vaxxies BTFO eternally
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/3091
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 No.478687

>>478682
Those grunts aren't for fighting. They're for experiments - that's what the military has been tasked with, and really war is a social engineering activity rather than the thing it purports to be, and the evidence of this is something invoked often by the true believers. They laugh at the stories of sacrifice and glory.

Besides, the empire can't inspire loyalty, and hasn't tried since the 1970s. They set up the story of losing Vietnam as the excuse to say the problem was that the country was too democratic and democracy sucks - ever since then you never hear an end to them bitching about mass armies being evil and incompetent and how great aristocracies are. For the purposes the empire wants, they don't want loyal and competent soldiers. They want technology so they can bomb the shit out of stuff from orbit. The US military is fairly good at that, when it chooses to do so. Whether it cares to actually "win" is a wholly different matter - why win? The worse they do, the greater the job security and the threat that can be used to bilk the people for more of their stuff. They only have to ensure that no one gets any idea that it could or should be any other way, and the weaker the people - soldiers and civilians alike - the stronger their hand. The Arabs are not an exception to this where they are the antipode to imperial suet. Their armies have historically been run like shit and turn on each other for a nickel, and the exceptional commander from that part of the world manages to turn that into something functional - usually by exploiting the incompetence of their neighbors when their pants are down. They've been using the Pals as props since 1948 and care not about ever winning. Again, why win? They know the empire isn't going away, and many of them know to cut deals with whatever the Romans are up to these days. There's nothing for le glorious jihad or whatever dumbass narrative the rubes believe in.

Vaxx uptake is certainly lower than reported. The colonies don't need to pretend, and if their leaders actually believed in that shit and did anything more than token acceptance of the latest eugenics shit, their own people would hang them from lamp-posts. COVID "works" here because eugenics is stronger and there is a critical mass of true believers. That shit doesn't exist in the rest of the world, and they've been laughing at these fuPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.478688

Basically, most of what is said about America being "nothing but slavery and genocide" is the Zionists' preferred image of us, to justify taking more shit and demanding more aid money, which American leaders are happy to do because the leaders of America, as I mention, hate Americans more than anything else in the world. They want Americans to see nothing but the most depraved images of themselves, and they pulled off the greatest version of that with Trump - basically saying "this is you. you are retarded, like Trump."
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 No.478689

It's the shit that child abuse does to fuck up the mind, and they have science and shit to guide them on how to abuse the people en masse and train them to think they're going to be raped at all times. Now the horror so many children live through is a mass thought form and a movement. It's been disgusting to watch anyone enable this faggotry and to see how it was destined since the 1990s.
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 No.478699

sweet schizo thread
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 No.478714

>>478699
don't forget to take your tenth booster vaxxie


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 No.461029[Reply]

Both of them got taken over by free speech retards. And this extreme free speech backfired and now they're dying website, of course Leftychan is dead as fuck not so much Twitter - yet…
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 No.477196

>>477193
Retarded fantasyland gobblygook

Expect nothing less from the irrelevant left
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 No.478652

>>477050
>>477196
>coping this hard as usual
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 No.478660

>extreme free speech

shut up liberal
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 No.478661

Leftychad has been more active than ever, tbf.
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 No.478672

>>477191
This, my friends, is what we call "pure eugenic creed". He doesn't understand the shit coming out of his mouth. Eugenics knows no other way.

People who come from different places get along all of the time. The idea that people exist permanently fused together and that anything less is not "true friendship" is pure ideology. People don't have to be bestest friends to not kill each other, but under eugenism, this concept must be made inadmissible. It has even less to do with these conceits about information and intelligence, which aren't things people would fight wars over unless they were truly given over to a torture cult.

"A better society" would be one where humans really have little to do with each other, and mutually understand that this state of affairs is desirable. Attempts to arrest history now and forever are necessary for aristocracy, but were never necessary for everyone else. Everyone else plans for a foreseeable future that would involve them and perhaps two generations down the line, and at heart they are concerned with the proximate relations they hold - their families, the associations they make which are definite and stable. It's not my business if someone in China looks different from me, or prays to a different god, or whatever, and the guy in China will tell you the same thing - it's something Chinese in particular take pride in, not getting involved in other peoples' shit, since they've had a lot of experience with how that goes. There are of course people of many types in any large social grouping, and somehow they form nations and organizations regardless of their differences. It is not a rule that different = deficient or that everyone should be at the same low standard eugenics sets for them (always lower, lower, lower). Most people don't give a shit about others being like them, and the people who think that is a thing are odious fags. I don't expect everyone to be like me or like any ideal I might imagine. I would like it if others were not trying to torture me, and despite exhortation to do so, most people are too busy and self-interested to spend their life making me suffer for nothing. Most people don't have it out for me because usually they know I'm right, and the people who rail against me usually are just pure fags embracing the thrill of torture and its maximization. The people who took perverse pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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