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 No.1975[Reply]

Greetings /dead/, I wanted to ask your thoughts on Max Stirner and was pointed here from /edu/. His ideas somehow appeal to me. As I understood he basically says that morality and religious and social norms are void "spooks". By freeing oneself of these concepts, one can follow one's own will. By cooperation and mutual interest one can then happily coexist and live with other individuals. Did I get that right? E.g. knowingly not caring about the suffering of others kind of feels bad, not sure if that is a "spook", too. What would Stirner say to solidarity?
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 No.1976

> What would Stirner say to solidarity?
I have a fellow-feeling with every feeling being.

In my opinion the key to understanding The Unique and Its Property is Stirner's article "Art and Religion". It's not that good and the thick Hegelian jargon is a bit hard to decipher but it lays down the problem statement and goal of the ego book in a pretty straightforward way. At least in my headcanon.
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 No.1977

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Post-leftism (most closely associated with post-left anarchism because anarchists are a lot more open to criticizing their forebears failures and foibles than a lot of other left tendencies, *but are by no means perfect about this*) is a critique of the self-castration of the left by its insistence on being boring and labyrinthine and just generally unbearable. A lot of leftists don't like that, but the results leftists have had impeding the creeping doom of this neoliberal hellscape speak for themselves. We suck at changing the modern world, and we aren't going to stop sucking at it until we stop clinging to outmoded models of political and economic change.

To be clear, I'm a communist. I'm an anarchist. I even like Soviet imagery, that stark red flag with the gold star, hammer, and sickle is fucking *electric*. Peak aesthetic, my god that flag is gorgeous. But we're not gonna get anywhere jerking off the corpses of men who've been dead for a century. If "leftist" politics are about aesthetic and feeling special? Sure, have at it. But if we want to help people, and make the world better, we need better models of organization and praxis that aren't just more of a drag on our already-burdened souls. We need protests and political rallies and stuff to be fun and emotive and thrilling, not boring fucking marches like the libs love so much.

I will never see mature communism, mature anarchy. I won't live that long. If I do, great! I'll be stoked as hell. But I won't. And that's okay, I don't need to. Anarchy is a guiding principle for me, it is my North Star. So it doesn't fucking matter if I organize with non-anarchists, does it, as long as our goals are in the same direction of making regular people's lives better and loosening the chains around all of our necks? This is why socdems, yes, cringe as they are, have so much more success than anarchists whining about how the Black Army was dong wrong or MLs talking about how *AKCHUALLY* Stalin did nothing wrong because \[blah blah fuckin blah, who cares the man's been dead since fifty-three give it a goddamn rest\], and all that have absolutely no fucking relevance. That's all *way* more cringe than socdems or electoral politics are. Sure, sucks Makhno and Ukraine got done raw by the Bolsheviks. What does this information empower me to do today? Instead of talking about theoretical bullshit a hundred years ago or a hundred years from now, socdems are actually talking about thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1984

>> 1976 thanks, I started reading it

>> 1977 interesting thoughts! I guess in general the more power you have over yourself, the more work/time it consumes compared to decisions being made for you. Maybe if discussions and votes don't take place in form of a gathering, but asynchronously like in a forum that could allow to only participate in stuff one is interested in.
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 No.1999

>Did I get that right?
Yeah pretty much I agree with you so far.

>E.g. knowingly not caring about the suffering of others kind of feels bad, not sure if that is a "spook", too.

If you only cared because it was a moral expectation that made you care in the first place, that would be spooked in the sense that you try to correspond to an idea of good that entails that you are only good, a real person, when you care. This idea would be a fixed one and you would behave according to it.
However, I think most people would feel bad for them out of empathy, out of their own desire that others dont suffer.

>What would Stirner say to solidarity?

This is a part that alot of ppl get wrong about Stirner on first glance because of his strong defence of self-interest - but said interest isn't vulgar as in 'only doing things that enrich you materially'. Because Stirner was a pupil of Hegel and not some libertarian market fanatic he sees humans as social. We use each other according to our desires, but that desires also include the desire for friendship or love. As >>1976 quoted, he feels a fellow feeling towards feeling beings, empathy. In fact, it haven't been the egoists (as Stirner defines them, those centering their action on their unique being and desire) who caused and carried out the greatest atrocities in history, but selfless people, involuntarily acting in the name of something outside themselves (god, the race, the nation).
One of my favourite allegories here is that only an egoist gifts a friend a present out of his own desire, while the involuntary actor, who does it because it's the right thing to do, or it's custom and expected from them, always has other motives behind his action.
Egoism doesnt set rules for any behavior, its rather the consequent critique of such rules. If you find it fulfilling to show solidarity because it's your inner desire, it's an egoist act.


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 No.1987[Reply]

>write book dedicated to your wife
>wife reads it
<AM I ONLY A SPOOK TO YOU, MAX?"
>"NO, SWEETHEART! THIS IS A PURE UNION OF EGOISTS!"
>wife furious about being called an egoist, doesn't let me explain
>gets divorce
>wife also leaves Die Freien and converts to catholicism
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 No.1990

Stirner had a hard life.
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 No.1991

Personas can't get married.


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 No.1924[Reply]

Capitalism has stolen from us the ability to be our best selves. That much is for certain within the framework of bourgeois society. What I've been pondering is the endgame or tactile convictions of individual reclamation. To me action for the sake of it seems to be a conscious suicide mission. Is this a misinterpretation or am i correct in assuming? I say this as somebody who has become disillusioned with the abilities of agitation in the context of neoliberal society. Never before been a namefag on any iteration of /leftypol/ but thought it'd be worth starting to if i'm now /dead/ inside.
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 No.1934

>>1933
Nihilism.
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 No.1935

>>1933
>nything in between seems to be irreverent and irrelevant.
Why is this a bad thing?
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 No.1936

>>1931
>Do you think simply surviving is being your best self?
There is no best self. We exist is individuals with the properties we have, any idea of a 'better self' is just an inmaterial vision of might or ought be. The ideal can never be fully realised because of it's ideal status, ideas can not be transportet into material reality without loosing much of their content simply BECAUSE they are ideal and not material.
There is no better version of ourselves waiting for us to realise it, we simply are what we are.
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 No.1944

>>1935
It's not in itself but to me you are either in it for yourself or for the greater body of like minded. You could directly take revenge against the individuals or systems that wronged you. By doing so you will be made into a caricature. A threat to bourgeois society only in your actions. Rather than the implications of why someone would ever do such things. We have learned all we have and seen all we witnessed just to have no say in the matters of our lives. Will we be vindicated? Maybe so, but we won't be around to find out.

>>1936
What i meant by "best self" is accessing the tools and resources to find our full potentials. Or in the very least putting mechanisms in place to strive towards our goals. I guess it's hard to come to terms with being lied to my entire childhood. "You can grow up to be whatever you want" what a crock of shit.
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 No.1973

It's been awhile, but when looking over this thread i feel like i should clarify what i meant in OP. The things capitalist society directly or indirectly stole from us is our time and energy. Be it the physical exertions of wage labor. The mental distractions of advertising and commodity consumption. The time and energies of everyone are utilized poorly in profit seeking schemes not of our own. Resources wasted instead of used in construction of something truly great. All avenues of our respective daily lives are filled to the brim with these unavoidable obstacles. In attempts to avoid these energy saps to the best of our abilities we no longer participate in society. What does this mean in the grand scheme of post leftism? You tell me because if you're here i am not saying something you do not already know. Obviously, continued existence is a form of resistance. Except only when our beliefs influence or in a way justify actions to ourselves does it create noticeable changes in the mind of a radical.


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 No.1842[Reply]

…Hello? Is anyone here?
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 No.1881

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>>1872
Seeth and cope bitch.
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 No.1882

>>1881
you literally backed up this board when you had the choice you mongs, you're really desperate
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 No.1896

>>1881
shut up fag
if they want to go let them go, although I wouldn't mind if they stayed, it'd be pretty cool too
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 No.1965

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 No.1967

finding posts from numbers, pls ignore
>>>/leftypol/163302
>>>/leftypol/161070
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>>>/tech/7769
>>>/leftypol/153096
based wvobbly lmao


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 No.755[Reply]

I think some people here maybe already know, about this project of mine with some anarchists friends of my region. So who we are and what are our goals for those who don't know us:
> We are anarchists working on translating some basic anarchist and post-left anarchy works into Portuguese for better accessibility and study.
> We are also thinking in creating a website for sharing our translations and where other anarchists can submit theirs so these works can be freely distributed around.
> If the project succeeds and we gain some attention, we are planning in creating after the quarantine anarchist reading clubs so maybe some anarchist action starts to grow here

Some of the works that we are prioritizing to translate before the Corona-virus epidemic ends:
> Anarchy by Errico Malatesta (Draft for almost all chapters are already done, our estimates for completing it are in about 2 weeks or less)
> Anarchy after Leftism
> The abolition of work
> Toward the creative nothing
> Illegalism why pay for a revolution on the installment plan when you can steal on
> Desert
> Against organizationalism anarchism as both theory and critique of organization
> Post-left anarchy, leaving the left behind

So these are our main ideas and projects, any thoughts on our work?
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 No.847

Well boys, another translation, and this one is of one of my absolutely favorite writings of Feral Faun. A bloody good critique of idpol in general, just a really good read. The piece is "The Ideology of Victimization". As always, you can share this anywhere you want.
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 No.849

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 No.850

>>849
Yeah I know, I submitted my translations there but till now they didn't go through yet. Don't know why exactly, maybe their moderation and checkers are just very slow and offline
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 No.1961

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We've finished translating A Anarquia by Errico Malatesta, take care
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 No.1962

>>1961
Nice. I'm surprised this board is still used.


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 No.11[Reply]

official rule 2 thread>2. Please keep /r9k/-tier >tfw no gf shitposts to one thread. Capitalism is only one of the many, many reasons why you don't have a gf.
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 No.1948

>>1947

Hello,

I am a new user from reddit.

What is this space for.

How do I get bf for my gf lol.
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 No.1949

My toilets is broken so I dug a hole in my backyard and took a shit in broad daylight my neighbors dog started barking at me but I don't think anyone saw me :)
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 No.1952

>>1949
did you get a gf?!
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 No.1953

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>>1952
Yes, I made her a crypto-egoist
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 No.1954

I forgot this place existed, lol.


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 No.1876[Reply]

Dead
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 No.1890

>>1879
Don't know about anyone else, but I prefer sludge metal.
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 No.1891

>>1890
Don't know about anyone else, but I prefer crustgrind.
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 No.1917

>>1890
>>1891
Don't know about anyone else, but I prefer prog metal.
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 No.1920

>>1890
>>1891
>>1917
a.k.a. indiemetal
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 No.1923

>>1876
he was really fucking hot though. I'd let him do whatever he wanted to me


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 No.1371[Reply]

hello friends
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 No.1918

>>1378
No it doesn't
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 No.1919

necromancy
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 No.1921

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 No.1922

>>1371
cuet
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 No.1930

isn't this the spooky bitch that /b/ obsessed over and got on america's next top model somehow or whatever


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 No.1897[Reply]

Hello /dead/, do you have any plans for staying here or are you making your own site?
If you do plan on staying, do you wish to be displayed on the overboard?
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 No.1900

>>1899
doot doot
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 No.1905

>>1899
I'm not going to get Matrix just to find out if there's a new board in the works, but I'm willing to download Matrix to get updates on a new board in the works. Is this worth my time?
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 No.1906

>>1905
dunno bro, seems pretty fickle rn
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 No.1907

test
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~test~
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 No.1916

>>1897
>do you have any plans for staying here or are you making your own site?
I obviously won't speak for /dead/ but I personally will stay here except if the majority of /dead/ would leave to a new site.
I won't use matrix, I only like imageboards.

>do you wish to be displayed on the overboard?

I think it's a good idea, it will attract new bloods but without giving to much attention on /dead/.


 No.1816[Reply]

How can you not be depressed in this world?
Everyone I’ve seen, known, or interacted with that was “positive” came off as a true fucking psychopath
Like, just utterly disconnected from the rest of mankind and all human empathy
I think non-depressives are sociopaths
Especially communists that are positive
Positive “communists” are the very worst, sociopathic pricks more obsessed with LARPing the past and little else, the world is fucking hellish and sanity is a disease
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 No.1903

>>1901
>you barely have influence – if any at all – on things outside of you
False
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm
Read this pamphlet to gain the superpower of commonsense
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 No.1904

Preach. If you can function well in this society, you're fucked up.
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 No.1913

>>1902
this but its not entirely this. if you are loveless for a long time then you turn into a depressed loser, so just get a gf
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 No.1914

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I legit blame capitalism for making me this way. Being psychopathic is the only way to get by in this world.
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 No.1915

Are you an empath OP


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