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So which conception of /death/ do you find appropriate?Heidegger's 'immanent death' or Badiou's external one?Am I too opportunistic for seeing them as compatible (one an existentialist approach, and the other as logics)?

Zizek criticizes this very articles by Badiou in part 2 of his newest seminar, titled "Surplus-Value, Surplus-Enjoyment, Surplus-Knowledge":Part 1: http://mariborchan.si/audio/slavoj-zizek/surplus-value-surplus-enjoyment-surplus-knowledge/Part 2: http://backdoorbroadcasting.net/2016/04/slavoj-zizek-masterclass-2-surplus-value-surplus-enjoyment-surplus-knowledge/He reasserts the Hegelian/Freudian immanence of limitation, that is, he denies the Heiddegerian conception of death as something exterior. (Death drive.)Highly recommended.

&gt&gt188>he denies the Heiddegerian* conception of death as something exteriorBadiouian* conception of death as sg exterior!Sorry, for mixing that up!Also: fuck this fucking site: THIS IS THE ONLY PROPER THEORY THREAD AND NOBODY GIVES A FUGG :^(

&gt&gt189gimmie a few hours and I'll post something.

Ok let's see here.First off, I consider myself a Freudian and Todestrieb is an integral part of that theory.So my real criticism (in which I agree with Zizek) is that humans are inherently complex and contradictory creatures, we are self-sabotaging. Thus I'm generally critical of this Spinozist notion of conatus, it seems to imply a certain rationality in our drives that might be more based on how we want to perceive ourselves rather than the actual behaviour. This can be seen in as everyday circumstances as our fear to act. We fear the pain of rejection more than the pain of an unrealized fantasy - in the latter we console ourselves with temporal possibilities (if I could just go back in time…).We're to a certain extent creatures that enjoy our life's tragedy.On a side-note, I still generally consider a Spinozist reading of (at least young) Marx to hold a lot of weight. I'm currently reading The German Ideology but even in Capital we can find a certain idea of labour as conatus.This becomes even more noticeable in the 'culture' of later Marxists, just look at the ideas of socialist realism (necessary labour into an act of pleasure)!&gt&gt139&gt&gt189Wait don't Badiou continue from Heidegger? Now I need to re-read it.

&gt&gt178That's just what Yui has been saying.

&gt&gt179well, if a person on an image board said something, it must be true

&gt&gt182Ok but why would Yui lie about that? Also we've haven't heard anything yet from n1x on the matter, or anything at all. And I mean it's not like it'd be surprising if he did it.

&gt&gt183Rest in piss, n1x :'(

I'll try to express myself better in this postMy pain is largely existential, I've inherited a whole bunch of psychological fuckery/mental illness from my parents, misery, disorders, suppressed thoughts and feelings just runs in my family. I'm bitter over the fact that they gave me this existence. My emotional state is permanently fucked, I'm downright hysterical at times.I'm horrible at talking to other people, I'm disgusted by most people I know in my life, and anytime I actually do come across another human being that I find remotely likeable I get extremely nervous and embarrass myself in front of that person as I trip over my own words and look like a retard. I have no idea what I'm going to do with my life, I'm stupid, lazy, and terrible with people, I'm useless as can be. And hey isn't it fucking great that we're all alive right now? We're living at the end of history folks, global capitalism has given us a paradise in the form of ecological genocide.There's no need for silly idealism in this day and age, no you see we're a pragmatic society now, we live in the society of the spectacular, where anything is possible unless you suggest anything that goes against the global economic order in which case you're a stupid and dangerous idealist for not agreeing with the ruling ideology.

Not one to really talk here but sometimes expressing things in this way can become a self fulfilling prophecy.Being given advice can make you feel pretty shit, especially when it's cliche.If you have problems talk to a psychological professional not a fucking Maori kiddo diddling forum. That being said, i'm going to give you some advice anyways.Remember that you do not control over what is external to you but unless you are chemically fucked up you have control over your thoughts. Thoughts are not emotions. An emotion is a feeling, a thought is something like "I want to die."Happiness does not lie in changing your circumstances, unless you lack basic needs. It lies in changing your thought processes. That is not easy, but it's possible. Pic related.One strategy, practiced for thousands of years and proven effective is to constantly do things like>Write down three good things that happened today before you go to bed, this helps with nightmares too>Also write down counterarguments to self-defeating thoughtsex: If you thought "I am worthless" write down something about your worth. It doesn't have to be spectacular. Maybe even something as simple "I am worth something because I'm not dead yet.">Upgrade this until you are automatically attacking your self-defeating thoughts, make a game out of it, keeping score with yourself perhaps>Create some kind of mantraIt sounds like hippie bullshit but quote related comes from such a journal.I can't speak to people I respect very well either, much less women, but I have always found I get hung up on the feeling. The important thing is to feel nervous but do it anyway. I feel hypocritical telling you this bit since I struggle with this even so but most people don't really mind being talked to as long as they aren't doing something else. If you find it difficult to have something to say, don't say anything, ask them something, if you know they are interested in say, horses, ask them about that. Then, you can let them do the talking, and people will love you for letting them talk.>But comrade, this doesn't actually solve any of my immediate problems! It just changes how I feel about themyou might sayHow you feel about them is your biggest problem. You aren't going to solve any of your other problems, like capitalism, until you solve your inner problems.*end of preaching*

It's been a few days, I haven't killed myself (yet) though. So I guess should have something to say since somebody has miraculously replied to my bullshit.&gt&gt175>>Write down three good things that happened today before you go to bed, this helps with nightmares tooI suppose I could do this. I've started a journal that I write in very infrequently and usually only when I'm feeling awful enough to write down vague thoughts on feeling like shit.writing down any good things that happen might be a better and simpler way of going about it.>>Also write down counterarguments to self-defeating thoughts>ex: If you thought "I am worthless" write down something about your worth. It doesn't have to be spectacular. Maybe even something as simple "I am worth something because I'm not dead yet."It's hard to think of anything that I like about myself, but I could start with something like I'm not a totally awful person like a lot of people I know. >I can't speak to people I respect very well either, much less women, but I have always found I get hung up on the feeling. The important thing is to feel nervous but do it anyway. I feel hypocritical telling you this bit since I struggle with this even so but most people don't really mind being talked to as long as they aren't doing something else. If you find it difficult to have something to say, don't say anything, ask them something, if you know they are interested in say, horses, ask them about that. Then, you can let them do the talking, and people will love you for letting them talk.I'm almost wishing I had heard this part earlier in my life. This could have possibly helped me hold on to the last positive relationship I had with another human being. My way of trying to honestly communicate how I feel even to people I like, has been acting passive aggressive and thinking that would somehow tell them anything other than to fuck off. I've pushed people away from my life only to immediately regret it but never got up the courage to apologize to them, and it's too late now to regain these peopleAnyway this all probably sounds retarded but honestly thanks for your reply. It's not going to change my life most likely, but I sincerely appreciate your words and I'm willing to at least try and follow some of your advice since If I'm hopeless anyway I might as well try something before killing myself within a few years.

&gt&gt176>Anyway this all probably sounds retarded but honestly thanks for your reply. It's not going to change my life most likely, but I sincerely appreciate your words and I'm willing to at least try and follow some of your advice since If I'm hopeless anyway I might as well try something before killing myself within a few years.Im glad that I was able to help you in some way. The lights are going out all over the world again and we have to hold on to what we have left of humanity. What people really want deep down is to care for each other, as it's all we can really do, soI try and offer people some kind of support even if it's over such a frivolous medium such as an imageboard. Doing it helps myself as well as others, knowing my advice helps at least a little bit makes me feel I make a little bit of a difference and also practice what I preach a bit more.>writing down any good things that happen might be a better and simpler way of going about it.Remember it doesn't have to be anything>It's hard to think of anything that I like about myself, but I could start with something like I'm not a totally awful person like a lot of people I know. I don't think it would help to push these thoughts on to other people. It might feel good to hate on the other people around you, but it will only push you further into despair. Pic related. People around you may be truly horrible, but hating them wont make them any more bearable. Look for the good in people around you, and you may find some.In high school, I knew a person who was mean-spirited and everyone thought was an annoying asshole. I was forced to spend lots of time with them and found out he had a lot of problems going on and didn't feel that great about himself. When I offered support and advice, and tried to befriend him, become a sort of mentor, what I found was not only did he change greatly for the better, but so did I. When you support someone, they support you back. In trying to help other people solve problems, you can start to see solutions to your own. I suppose what I am trying to say is to not direct your hate outwards, but try and understand and neutralize hate. Hate is never good for anyone.

&gt&gt180(cont.)Many people who act hateful and disgusting act that way because they are going through something like you are. That doesn't justify their actions, but coming to an understanding of the people around you is the precursor to a solution. Again, this sounds like hippy bullshit but half of all personal social conflicts can be solved by taking a step back and trying to understand what the other person is trying to do. Always assume good intent of people around you, no one willingly commits evil. They may not be acting in your interest always, but they probably believe they are doing the right thing. If you keep this in mind, it's easier to approach "bad people" with a more levelheaded mindset and avoid creating conflict. Acting in a manner that is passive-aggressive or hateful will just breed more aggression and hate. If someone is insulting you or making you angry, or trying to force you to do something you don't want to do, don't respond with equal force. Being calm in the face of these things is the quickest way to diffuse the situation in your favor. I cannot stress enough how helping others helps your own state. Trying to help someone out in a similar situation I can guarantee will help you see solutions to your own. When it is just our own problem, it is difficult to think about it objectively, but when someone else has the same problem it is much easier to say "Oh, you should just do that." and then it's much easier to say "Why don't I do that?" and then doing it is just a step away. Just the other night, typing out my first response to your post, I realized the answer to a problem that bothered me for years. I constantly struggled with the idea of changing the world around me, fighting for socialism to seek happiness, to remove hardship, and the stoic ideals of learning to endure hardship, but when I explained it to you i realized that without learning to endure hardship, by changing yourself and your thoughts, you cannot remove hardships, and this is my biggest point.If you want to fight the world's problems, you must solve your own first. You will find that it isn't easy, and it seems like all the rest of life hardships just make it harder, but remember, creating strategies, changing your thoughts, and conquering yourself, will be the hardship that once overcome, will make the other hardships more bearable.I say this as someone who hasn't yet conquered themselves, but trying to cheer someone else on in their struggle is cheerinPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

&gt&gt114>anti-collectivist (anti-politics, imo) &gt&gt115Aren't we talking about the same political tradition that is against any programmes, platforms, collective lines – collective organization as such?Insurrectionism as strategy, conceived in this negative way, is hardly more than aestheticization of post-politics. It disbands structures for theatrics, seeks catharsis from carnival. It's an ideological mirror of the hegemonic presented as radicalism: panacea against the atomized individual? More individualism!>capitalism is destroying itself well enough without our interventionWithout a guarantee of what comes next, collective inaction will surely contribute to the best future possible! Spontaneity is on our side!

&gt&gt118Listen here you fucking autist, maybe you should actually do something other than shitpost your smug bullshit about insurrectionism if you've clearly never read anything at all about it. Insurrectionism and post-left anarchy in general is opposed to formal, permanent organizations - not organizations based on affinity, which can be spontaneous and small or can be large and long-lasting. Whatever the case may be, the whole point is that these groups argue for organization that doesn't just end up creating more hierarchies and actively dismiss individual members of the organization and de-legitimate anyone who is outside the organization.>Without a guarantee of what comes next, collective inaction will surely contribute to the best future possible! Spontaneity is on our side!And once again that isn't what I was saying, and in fact I made that point quite clear in the post you responded to, and once again you're posting smug bullshit and ignoring the rest of my post.

&gt&gt119>maybe you should actually do something other than shitpost your smug bullshit about insurrectionism if you've clearly never read anything at all about itI've actually read The Coming Insurrection, Debord, several anarcho-nihilist texts (I'm pretty certain I was the first to mention Monsieur Dupont on Leftypol), and I'm familiar with the most prominent scholar on insurrectionism/situationism in Eastern-Europe, G. M. Tamás, and I'm also familiar with Socialisme ou Barbarie group's main ideas and its later splinters, but from these mostly with Castoriadis and Lyotard.>opposed to formal, permanent organizationsYeah, but, you know, in theory at least, communists are against permanent organizations as well, since we want to abolish the proletariat as class. Your rant seems to indicate that you'd deny this as well.>organizations based on affinity, which can be spontaneous and small or can be large and long-lastingI look at at the organizational ideas (communes, affinity-groups) and practical aims (sabotage, terror) laid down by the Invisible Committee with sympathy, but the group's subsequent attempts and ultimate failure (and probably abandonment of the project altogether), not to mention the (sorry for my [i]sectarian[/i] [i]dogmatist[/i] leftypol term) anarchokiddies pointing at them and doing nothing more than carnivals, destruction of property at protests and clashes with the popo, was all predictable if one knew criticisms of individualism and Utopian-socialism.>organization that doesn't just end up [delegitimizing] anyone who is outside the organization.(So, hold on to your pooper bag, it's my time to accuse you of bad things.) It seems to me that you are not familiar with the dynamics of 20st century communism, and I'm thinking specifically about the history of the communist internationals. If you look at Lenin's proposals at the third ("Twenty-one Conditions") you'll see him doing two things: building adhesion and introducing a line of differentiation. You could interpret this as an attempt at delegitimization (of socdems, anarchists et al.) and sectarianism, but I think that the "Leninist truth" in these moments is the discarding of the fantasy of unprincipled unity, of "anything goes" politics, of the idea that politics proper doesn't require a line drawn in the sand – a fantasy I keep detecting from anarchists, when they valorize consensus, temporal affinity, and so on. If I really had to use your terms, I Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

&gt&gt120Woah, TGM is known outside Hungary?

&gt&gt160Yep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gNMHOpF9H8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZAXT5Vkbc

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