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 No.481775[Last 50 Posts]

Who are you voting for, anon?

So far, the top candidates are:
Jill Stein (Green)
Cornel West (Independent)
Claudia De la Cruz (Party for Socialism and Liberation)
Joseph Kishore (Socialist Equality Party)
and now "Based Chase" Oliver (Libertarian)

and then there are some unserious candidates nobody likes.
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 No.481776

If you give anything to this farce you're making it worse. Only path is for the myth of liberal democracy to be abandoned en masse, with visible disgust among all for what was done to us.
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 No.481778

They're going to appoint whomever they want anyway, and made that clear since 2000.
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 No.481782

>>481778
duncare
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 No.481783

>>481776
>>481778
It's still worth participating in bourgeois election in order to get more awareness for better politics
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 No.481784

Jill Stein is the obvious choice. Has the broadest ballot access and is in the most general non-sectarian anti-capitalist party.

>unserious candidates nobody likes
So Cornel West. I have to say the thing I have enjoyed most out of this year's political theater is the complete discrediting of this court jester. It's been a long time coming and Adolph Reed's critique of him still rings true.
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 No.481788

>>481776
itt: leftists complain on the internet while doing absolutely nothing active at all.

Thread #2374646699177500000
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 No.481790

>>481788
itt: rightists projecting their own complacency onto leftists only to accuse them of ruining things for choosing to participate in the system.
post number four seven-tenths multiplied by ten to the twelfth power
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 No.481791

None unless we have an actual party for working people.
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 No.481792

I'm not going to vote for any of the candidates because I am not an American.
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 No.481794

>>481792
You get your ass over here and apply for citizenship.
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 No.481795

>>481794
Send me the $10k to pay off the cartel and I'll be over that border within a week
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 No.481796

>>481784
I like Cornel West. I don't follow the diss tracks + don't really care about those. Stein's good, too!
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 No.481802

>>481783
It is far, far too late for that. How well did that work with Bernie? It made the left stupider and self-own, which was the point of the herding operation.

You would put up a party as a matter of procedure, but you aren't going to win a single thing ever or come anywhere close. By now nothing can get through the millions of filters and all of the things politicians do to not be destroyed.

Even the smallest offices are now wholly unusable for any good purpose - but then, that's been the point all along. You're not there to tell people nice things if you're a politician. You're there to play ball and you'd be a fool if you thought it was about anything different. If you think this is about optics or "teaching the controversy" you're part of the problem at a basic level. Again, sure you would put up a party to look like you're an actual organization with a popular base, back when that mattered. It hasn't mattered for nearly 25 years now, and not in a highly abstract way. It hasn't mattered in a very basic way that nearly everyone in the country senses. The two parties are racing to destroy even the pretense that they need public support, both called for the end of the facade in 2020 (because it had effectively been destroyed). If you want to chase after votes in an obviously rigged election and think you can rejig your message for next time, I don't know what to tell you.

Only thing you can do when the process is this farcical is make clear the obvious deformities of the process, that the ruling elite won't let this end without a war, and that we're being lined up for more bullshit to get poor people killed. Pretending those aren't the stakes is a waste of time.

That said, I don't fault anyone for forming a party to try, but every leftist candidate will tell you in no uncertain terms that the process is not salvageable. They're not that stupid, even the nutters who make running for President as perennial candidates their hobby horse.
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 No.481803

Also I think the Solidarity Party (pro-life Christian democrats) are going harder on the "sell off the country to China" angle than ever, because that's about to happen. Yeeeeeeehaw, American politics!

Anyway, it is interesting to read the tea leaves to see what the assholes are trying to pull this time, but you're not actually voting for something real. You're not even voting for dog catcher at this point.
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 No.481808

>>481803
>Also I think the Solidarity Party
Who???
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 No.482127

Nevada Democrats sue secretary of state and Green Party to block Jill Stein from ballot

The Democratic Party is escalating its attacks on third-party candidates in an effort to block any challenge to the two-party monopoly. On June 11, the campaign of Green Party candidate for US president, Dr. Jill Stein, reported that the Nevada State Democratic Party has sued the Nevada secretary of state and the Nevada Green Party, in an autocratic bid to keep Stein off the ballot.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/12/jxvj-j12.html
Absolutely shameful.
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 No.482129

If you vote for any of the US presidential candidates, you should kill yourself
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 No.482130

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>>482129
I'll voting for a socialist.
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 No.482132

>>482127
This is by far the biggest endorsement for Jill Stein and the US greens yet. Hope they can capitalize on it, there is a lot of potential to use this to get catapulted into public consciousness.

>>482129
You are doing this wrong. You are appealing to the wrong sentiment. People won't vote for Stein to gain your approval. The US Greens could gain a lot of new voters that are motivated to vote for her specifically because they are trying to take away the choice to vote for her.
You have to appeal to
<fuck you, don't tell me what I can't do.
You have to frame it as
<they are attacking your freedom to choose
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 No.482133

>>482132
Every two years the Democrats do this bullshit. They've been filing frivolous lawsuits to waste the Greens' time and resources, challenging every single signature in ballot access initiatives, ever since Nader ran in 2000.
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 No.482142

>>482132
>You are doing this wrong. You are appealing to the wrong sentiment. People won't vote for Stein to gain your approval. The US Greens could gain a lot of new voters that are motivated to vote for her specifically because they are trying to take away the choice to vote for her.
Reading comprehension?? Are you an LLM? Stein is a US presidential candidate, so why would I imply I want people to vote for that wrinkly bitch by saying:
>If you vote for any of the US presidential candidates, you should kill yourself
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 No.482146

>>482133
>frivolous lawsuits to waste the Greens' time and resources
How come the judicial system plays along with that ? Don't they get annoyed because it wastes their time as well ?
>>482142
>Reading comprehension??
I assumed you made a typo and meant to say
<If you vote for any of the other US presidential candidates …
as a display of solidarity with the Greens.
>Are you an LLM?
Why would i be a lunar landing module ? Sorry couldn't resist, btw I'm not a bot
>that wrinkly bitch
Well at least she doesn't have early stage dementia.
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 No.482251

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 No.482254

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1802803117202780293/
#Latest @TheEconomist
Forecast:

Chance of winning:
Trump 72%
Biden 28%
.
Electoral votes:
Trump 306
Biden 232
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 No.482520

File: 1719594633889.mp4 ( 12.76 MB , 1280x720 , claudia de la cruz clips o….mp4 )

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 No.482534

Dems for Congress and whoever the Dem ticket is for president
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 No.482535

>>481784

FYI despite the platform and the national association with socialist parties, many if not most locals don't give a shit about much beyond envirnmentalism.

I don't have an issue with people voting Stein, but the idea the Green Party is some left-wing party at the local level is a mistake. There's been plenty of Green mayors and they do nothing unusual.
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 No.482536

>>482533

They only give a shit if their job is at risk. Democrats are pretty selfish assholes who only wake up if their livelihood is on the line.

If they cared so much about this election they wouldn't have gone out in hoards to nominate an 81 year old as the "savior of democracy"
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 No.482539

>>482535
It really depends on where you live. There's still a split between socialists (roughly two thirds) and liberals (roughly one third) in the Greens, and it's very distributed regionally. In places where the battles for ballot access are the hardest like Georgia you'll find some of the most radical anti-capitalist Greens.
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 No.482540

>>482534
Wasting your vote.
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 No.482541

>>482540
Think it'd be fun to see Trump in jail, that's pretty much the only reason.

Also, the supreme court
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 No.482724

I'm following the demcent line of my party

https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-united-states-is-not-a-fascist-country/
The United States is not a fascist country
https://www.cpusa.org/article/xenophobia-a-21st-century-vector-for-fascism/
Xenophobia: a 21st century vector for fascism

https://peoplesworld.org/article/never-forget-the-police-terror-of-the-trump-years/
Never forget the police terror of the Trump years
https://peoplesworld.org/article/the-many-vs-the-money-working-class-brings-the-heat-to-bowman-campaign/
The many vs. the money: Working class brings the heat to Bowman campaign
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 No.482725

>>482724
Can your "party" really even be considered a party when they never even field candidates? It's hard to say CPUSA is really any better than DSA when they instruct people to vote Democrat every election.
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 No.482727

>>482725
https://www.cpusa.org/article/not-one-step-back-vote-against-fascism-2024/

In order to advance socialism, we must advance democracy and democratic reforms.

If some find me too “liberal” let us consult our wise teacher, the venerable Vladimir Lenin. From his 1905 treatise Two Tactics of Social-Democracy in the Democratic Revolution, chapter II; What Can We Learn From the Resolution of the Third Congress of the R.S.D.L.P. on a Provisional Revolutionary Government?

“In answer to the anarchist objections that we are putting off the socialist revolution, we say: we are not putting it off, but we are taking the first step towards it in the only possible way, along the only correct road, namely, the road of a democratic republic. Whoever wants to reach Socialism by a different road, other than that of political democracy, will inevitably arrive at conclusions that are absurd and reactionary both in the economic and the political sense. If any workers ask us at the given moment why we should not go ahead and carry out our maximum program, we shall answer by pointing out how far the masses of the democratically-minded people still are from Socialism, how undeveloped class antagonisms still are, how unorganized the proletarians still are. Organize hundreds of thousands of workers all over Russia; enlist the sympathy of millions for our program! Try to do this without confining yourselves to high-sounding but hollow anarchist phrases—and you will see at once that in order to achieve this organization, in order to spread this socialist enlightenment, we must achieve the fullest possible measure of democratic reforms.”

I have discovered that Lenin becomes more relevant every year, not less, to the current conditions of the United States. Lenin said socialism is about people’s power. How can you have a working class state, where the workers are in charge, without the workers being properly organized, politically, economically, and socially, to even reach a point where that is possible or gaining the knowledge of their own true power and the experience of making their own decisions? A worker cannot run the state if they do not even understand or participate in basic democratic elections and civic affairs. Ultra leftists have attempted to turn Lenin into a mascot of their immature fanaticism while ignoring the brilliant Marxist and enlightened small-d democrat he actually was. This is something we must correct. Only by defeating fascism and preserving our democratic republic will we press ahead on the road to socialism. It is our party’s detractors who do the most harm to advancing communism, by allowing liberals to lead political struggles, rather than communists. If you cannot organize voter turnouts, then forget about your revolution.

Ironically, our enemies see this clearly. “Famous Chinese leaders like Mao Zedong and Mikhail Gorbachev loved democracy because democracy is a step toward socialism, which is a step towards communism,” said Loren Culp, failed GOP candidate for governor of Washington state. At the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC),during a panel moderated by Steve Bannon, fascist Jack Posobiec told a crowd “Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely. We didn’t get all the way there on Jan 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it’.” And let us not forget that GOP congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene swore at a 2022 event hosted by the NY Young Republicans, that if she had organized the Jan 6th coup, along with Steven Bannon, that the insurrection would have won and would have been “armed.” At this same event, the President of the NY Young Republican Club, Political operative Gavin Wax, told the crowd, that “we want total war.” Echoing the language of Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Gobbels, who asked assembled Nazis in 1943, as the tide of war turned against Germany, if they desired totalen krieg, total war. Wax said “We must be prepared to do battle in every arena.” “In the media, in the courtroom, at the ballot box. And in the streets.”. As communists, we must be prepared to answer in kind, on each and every front.
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 No.482732

>>482727
Nah, not buyin it. CPUSA is a clown organization that's controlled opposition at this point. I guess that's what happens when a full third of your membership is FBI informants at some point.
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 No.482733

My patience has entirely run out for orgs that bitch about fascism from the Republican camp but have nothing at all to say about the fascism coming out of the Democrats.
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 No.482734

>>482733
https://www.cpusa.org/article/not-one-step-back-vote-against-fascism-2024/

President Biden, has rightfully earned the epithet Genocide Joe, for his appalling and indefensible support for Israel’s ongoing military campaign. He cannot be entrusted to defeat the fascist danger on his own, because he himself aids in the erosion of U.S. democracy too, by bypassing congress for weapon sales to Israel and authorizing airstrikes in Yemen. Congress has shown an inability or an unwillingness to legislate while we have seen an increased use of executive orders to circumvent our dysfunctional and gridlocked political system. The trend of centralized decision making around one man, as the answer to a country’s domestic problems, characterizes a world wide political phenomenon. Biden’s democracy vs autocracy thesis holds more weight than he may realize, yet he himself also contributes to the problem.

In order to successfully defeat Trump, and protect democracy, we must mobilize, organize, and rally the great masses of the working class majority in this country, which the Democratic Party often fails to do themselves. After all, the 2020 Democratic victory in Georgia, was accredited to non-partisan grassroots community organizers, instead of the Democratic National Committee political machine. Our Co-Chair Joe Sims said that “defeating Biden’s support for the Israeli government’s genocide in Gaza is the path to defeating fascism in November.” The massive show of force in the key swing state of Michigan, where over 101,000 people voted ‘uncommitted’ rather than for Joe Biden in the Democratic primary, shows how high the stakes are for the fight for a ceasefire. Make no mistake, the fate of Palestine and U.S. democracy are now intertwined. Failure to reach a ceasefire could very well mean a defeat for Biden in Michigan and even in the entire general election. While Biden will have no one to blame but himself for his defeat, the results would be catastrophic. Ironically, Biden’s love for Israel might end up with the U.S. becoming a Janus-faced Israel; a fascist country led by a corrupt authoritarian, at the helm of a far right wing party, in command of a cruel and hateful security apparatus. We must do everything in our power to ensure this does not happen.
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 No.482735

>>482734
>we have to save the Democrats from themselves
Yup, fake party. Rather join Avakian's cult than this pathetic bitch org.
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 No.482761

>voting
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 No.482804

>>482724
>>482727
>>482734
God, I agree with the thesis that this shit is dire, but organizing around Biden is a total fucking waste if that's what they're arguing for. Correct me if I'm wrong, 'cuz I've only read what you posted and haven't read the full article, I'm more-or-less assuming based on users' responses to it, here, which can sometimes be misleading.
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 No.482822

Third party debate tonight:
https://freeandequal.org/debate/free-equal-presidential-debate-july-12-2024/

Unfortunately the wannabe abolitionist and the not-so-independent turbozionist decided they didn't need to defend their positions or ideas. Further confirming to me that Cornel West is a completely unserious candidate while Kennedy is just a donor whore. Not too sure why Claudia De la Cruz didn't show up.
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 No.482824

>>482822
>Green Party, Libertarians and Constitution Party are the only ones attending
Well at least they have a wide spectrum of ideas. Should be interesting.
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 No.482825

Was the Constitution Party always just the Abortion Party? There's a Constitution Party in my state but I don't remember them being this obsessed with this single issue.
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 No.482906

>>481775
Just an FYI as someone who worked with Greens on the ground, they are not a "left wing party". They have a habit of running left-wing presidential candidates, partly becuase they are the only party with national coverage willing to let left-wingers run a ticket. But the "left-wingedness" of the Greens is driven by social media. At the local level, Greens are mostly just Republicans and Democrats with solar panels. They've also held multiple mayoral positions and don't appear to be transformational at the national level.

There isn't any left-wing party in the United States. Even less reason to form one nowadays that a right-wing president would be emboledned by SCOTUS to just say "nah I don't think I'll let you", if a lefty actually won a super important election here.
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 No.482907

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>>482906
Just an FYI from someone else who has worked with Greens on the ground, it entirely depends on where you live how actually left-wing they are. The Greens in my area are all socialists.
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 No.482908

>>482907
None of these labels mean anything if they don't actually do anything transformational when they get power, and they've had plenty of mayoral positions.

My suspicion is the "watermelon" greens are a temporary aberration. The local in my area was led by a nominal socialist for a year or two until he got bored and it went back to the same people who started the party in the 90s, who are NOT the kinds of people in your video.
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 No.482910

>>482908
>My suspicion is the "watermelon" greens are a temporary aberration.
The socialist-liberal split has been around since the founding of the Greens as a national party in the '80s actually.
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 No.482920

>>482906
That was what the Greens always were constitutionally, what the Green movement globally meant - a "left-right alliance". Nader was that and didn't present as a "leftist", but was tarred as such because it was a term of abuse to hurl during the period where the conservatives were maniacal.
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 No.482921

>>482825
They are a Christian Party - as in, Christian Supremacists. They run on abortion because that tugs at the strings of those who are very, very devoted to the issue to the point of obsession, as a lead in to what they really offer, and because with Roe gone, the hardliners on abortion are wondering why there's no ban on abortion with any teeth that really speaks of why it continues. Their solution - which was inherent to the party's purpose - was that Christianity needs a greater role in civic life. They have to deny that they're the "Christian Nationalist Party" for a variety of reasons, but that's really what they're for. The Constitution is in so many ways a dead letter. The Bill of Rights have all been abrogated, as have many of the amendments. The functions of basic government have eroded by the wishes of the prevailing participants, and if you actually looked at the thing, it is not something you could bring back in the form that is invoked, nor was that the intent. Funny thing about the Constitution is that the framers believed - all of them believed, though they disagreed on how it would happen - that the document would be revised in total periodically, and that such an assembly could occur without devolving into mayhem, because it would be stupid to think the law is static from an imagined starting point. The starting point of the Constitution was that it was rammed down the country's throats and a lot of the men passing it hated the thing and knew it was a bad deal. But, it was there, and the alternatives to reform it were "slavery" or "rejoin the British Empire". Both of these were stoked by the same forces, which eventually got what they wanted and began the long process of dismantling the country outright.
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 No.482952

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 No.482992

>>482952
Lol cucksevatives love projecting their "bigness".

I think Vance would have been the sign that this ticket is doomed, if not for the careful theater. I think though the next play is to just end the country. If the Democrats wanted to keep it going, they would have signaled that they have a replacement for Biden or at least disseminated the alternative in private, rather than talk about the same political heads like Kamala that no one wants.
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 No.482993

My guess is, if anyone from Team Democrat is interested in challenging Trump, it will be announced by making clear that the republic really is dead, and the objective will be to create a new thing, except without the faggotry we see on display from Trump and company.
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 No.482994

>>482952
Why did my post about state-assigned girlfriends get removed? .net is showing they are no different than redlib Ogre..
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 No.482996

>>482994
I'm looking into it. Was it a post or thread?
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 No.483004

>>482994
org has threads about state assigned gfs all the time that dont get deleted.
Its the threads about other things that are
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 No.483008

>>482822
Iirc De la Cruz was at some previous iterations. I think those were the debates for the primaries or something?
I forget if West has attended any.

>>482906
I honestly don't care about "left vs. right." Tbh my personal ideal would be that the Greens, Libertarians, West, PSL, etc. just join forces for one election to fix our foreign policy and then work out the kinks afterwards. It's unlikely to happen, but it would probably be the best electoral outcome. We're headed into an era of empire desperately trying to protect itself from collapse with increasingly brutal repression, and also an era of an overstretched empire at a vulnerable point where it can be hijacked by Odoacer types. What I'd like is to alter the course, and I don't care if others who disagree with me on a lot of things are involved in that - I find right-libertarian economics very dumb, but I'd still love to have them on board for a coalition if it meant the country that I live in doesn't get trampled by the Iron Heel or instigate WWIII.
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 No.483019

481775
>and now "Based Chase" Oliver (Libertarian)
The entire libertarian party needs to be thrown out of a helicopter at this point.
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 No.483020

>>483019
Why? I heard Libertarianism is close to communism in certain ways
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 No.483022

>>483020
The original libertarianism was just another word for anarchism when France banned anarchists. In Clown World USA "libertarianism" means you basically just want to turn every capitalist into a feudal lord.
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 No.483068

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 No.483069

>>483068
>endorses Kamala Harris
thoughts?
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 No.483070

>>483069
It's his final "fuck you" to the democrat establishment. Leaving them with the inept diversity-hire candidate nobody wanted.
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 No.483071

>>483069
I think even senile Biden has more of a chance than that cop.
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 No.483072

>>483069
Expected from him. That was always the deal - Kamala was the threat of what would happen if he were pushed aside. His word doesn't count for anything at this point, anyway.

I suppose we will see in a few weeks what it will be for real, now that events are in motion.
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 No.483074

>>483069
My thoughts:
1. He needs to get the fuck out of the presidency already. He's not right in the head. Whether or not she ends up being the DNC nominee, Harris, purely for successional reasons, should be president right now.
2. She has a better chance than he does - Biden 2024 would absolutely have been doomed. I think Harris 2024 probably still is, but it's a somewhat more subtle kind of doomed. Harris has the stink of the Biden administration on her - she's not senile, sure, but she's among the DNC sycophants who covered up the president's mental state and supported the genocidal party line. She has one definitive advantage over Biden, and that's the 'not senile' part.
3. My previous belief was that the Dems are trying to lose on purpose. I still believe it, but I think it's possible that they're just trying to be less obvious about it now. The same interests still largely control both the DNC and GOP. If Biden had stayed in to election day, it would have been an absolutely certain no doubt loss for the Dems without any risk of victory. Maybe they figured they can still lose with Kamala. If Biden stays in the presidency 'til November and Harris doesn't change course hard to reject Biden's foreign policy, then she'll have a higher risk of not being able to escape association with Biden's worst policies.
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 No.483075

>>483074
Oh, they're giving up the election outright. Democrats could win this with literally anything simply by offering something anyone would want to vote for instead of going out of their way to be as disgusting as possible, but the script didn't call for that. So, nothing they choose would be about "winning" at this point. This is about getting the country ready for what comes next.

This was going to happen, and it happened around the time it would - with Donald Trump confirmed as the Republican nominee and no primary on the Democrat side. It was a question of how they'd go about doing it, but they were never going to run Biden 2024 with what had built up, and this was likely agreed to when Biden won in 2020. It was necessary to abrogate the primary process and ram something the people really don't want down their throats.
Had Biden been able to stand up and withstand what was coming for him, they probably play out the script with him, but no one survives that. Guy was a sitting duck for attacks from all angles, and no one really liked him.

I still don't know who they will pick for certain, but I'm guessing Harris is agreeable enough and would stay the course we're on most effectively. Since she's not there to win, they aren't thinking about whether she'd be a good President. She does, believe it or not, have a base that's into her and what she brings to the wrestling ring. She's also a complete trainwreck of a person, but that's part of the "game", I imagine.

I can tell you right now - the people who still vote already know what they're voting for, and there isn't any wiggle room to change their minds. This is all about getting through as much pain as they can during the succession. The only thing that would really change the outcome of the election would be someone coming up who states bluntly the country is about to end, and it is better to end it in a way that favors certain interests rather than let the Trump plan go ahead. We all know what that becomes.
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 No.483076

My guess though is that they're testing how well they can do away with the idea of laws and elections altogether. They're not interested in pretending they have public support, because people get ideas that they can appeal anything done to them after all these years.
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 No.483077

>>483076
>My guess though is that they're testing how well they can do away with the idea of laws and elections altogether.
No way, sham elections are the most effective way for them to hold onto power. Going full mask off would only hurt them.
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 No.483078

>>483077
Sham elections require the ruling power to keep raising the stakes, or else no one has any reason to believe this is real. If the elections are purely for form, why spend the money on them? They don't convince anyone of anything, and it's harder to stay in power while maintaining this much of a facade with all of the interests to pay off.

What is paid now for the show is exorbitant - not that they are lacking for money, but among the things paid out are the dribble-down effect to placate the army of influencers, to feed the fags.

They do not need elections to convince people to let them rule. That was locked in a long time ago. They use elections to break people psychologically into accepting any depravity, to say "this is what you are".

There's no more need to break the slaves in. You had the dominant factions of the country calling for cancellation of the elections. The only people who don't want it to change are the people who are cast out, who know that once the mask drops, they're dead and they won't have allies. This is what has been built up since the 1990s. You assholes selling these myths made it worse for all of us, but fags will always be fags.
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 No.483079

>>483070
>It's his final "fuck you"
Some people are worried that he might do something rash in his remaining time in office.
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 No.483081

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>>483079
He should show us the aliens
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 No.483506

Jill Stein nominates Butch Ware as VP
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1824620605448102128
I’m honored and thrilled to welcome Butch Ware as my running mate and the Vice President we need at this moment in history. His personal experience overcoming systemic injustice, his deep knowledge of history and people’s movements, and his commitment to building a sustainable, just, peaceful world make Butch the ideal candidate.

This is truly a historic ticket bringing together a Jewish woman and Black Muslim man against genocide, endless war, climate collapse, and rampant injustice, and for an economy that works for working people, a livable future for our children, and an America and a world that works for all of us.
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 No.483510

>>483506
Their positioning them selves pretty well in the political meta of embodying peace.
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 No.483629

The independent presidential candidate is currently on the ballot in 16 states—including the critical swing states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia. Last week, West was thrown off the ballot in the key swing state of Michigan after the Democratic Party successfully got him disqualified over West’s campaign’s alleged failure to properly notarize election forms.

West’s campaign will challenge the Michigan disqualification in court on Friday, August 22nd.

The Democratic Party pressure campaign to get West to bow out of the race comes amidst reports that RFK Jr. will end his presidential campaign by the end of this week. RFK Jr’s vice presidential running mate, Nicole Shanahan, suggested in a recent interview that if RFK Jr. dropped out, he would throw his support being Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Very ""democratic…""
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 No.483717

Dems are trying really hard to destroy democracy.

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-4-independent-party-candidates-off-georgia-presidential-113164604

ATLANTA – A judge ruled Monday that four independent and third-party candidates are ineligible to appear on Georgia's presidential ballot, although the final decision will be up to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

The rulings by Michael Malihi, an administrative law judge, would block the qualifications of independents Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Cornel West, as well as the Green Party's Jill Stein and the Party for Socialism and Liberation's Claudia De la Cruz.

Kennedy on Friday had said he would seek to withdraw his name in Georgia and some other closely contested states as he endorsed Republican Donald Trump.

Democrats legally challenged whether all four qualify for the ballot, seeking to block candidates who could siphon votes from Democratic nominee and Vice President Kamala Harris after Joe Biden won Georgia by fewer than 12,000 votes in 2020.

Raffensperger must make a decision before Georgia mails out military and overseas ballots starting Sept. 17. Spokesperson Mike Hassinger said Raffensperger's office is reviewing the decisions and will decide each as soon as possible.

If affirmed by Raffensperger, the rulings mean that Georgia voters will choose only among Harris, Trump and Libertarian Chase Oliver in the presidential race.

Georgia is one of several states where Democrats and allied groups have filed challenges to third-party and independent candidates. Republicans in Georgia intervened, seeking to keep all the candidates on the ballot.

In the Kennedy, West and De la Cruz cases, Malihi agreed with arguments made by the state Democratic Party that petitions for independent candidates must be filed in the name of the 16 presidential electors, and not the candidates themselves, citing a change made to Georgia law in 2017.

“In Georgia, independent candidates do not themselves qualify for the office of president and vice president of the United States of America for the ballot,” Malihi wrote. “Rather, individuals seeking the office of presidential elector qualify for the ballot to have their candidate for president or vice president placed on the ballot.”

Lawyers for Kennedy, West and De la Cruz had all argued that was the wrong interpretation of the law, in part because Raffensperger's office had accepted the petition without protest. Counties later concluded that Kennedy, West and De law Cruz had each collected the required 7,500 signatures to qualify. The campaigns say it would be unduly burdensome to collect 7,500 signatures on 16 different petitions, for a total of 120,000 signatures.

Malihi also ruled in a separate challenge backed by Clear Choice Action, a Democratic-aligned political action committee, that Kennedy must be disqualified because the New York address he used on Georgia ballot access petitions is a “sham.” The Georgia decision is based on a decision by a New York court earlier this month finding Kennedy doesn’t live at the address he has listed in the New York City suburbs.

“The facts presented to the court concerning the respondent's domicile overwhelmingly indicate that the Katonah address is not, and never was, the respondent's bona fide residence.”

The Green Party has hoped to use a new Georgia law awarding a ballot place to candidates of a party that qualifies in at least 20 other states to put Jill Stein's name before Georgia voters. But Malihi ruled it was impossible for the party to prove it has qualified in at least 20 other states before Georgia's deadline to print ballots, saying the party doesn't qualify.

Supporters of the other candidates have accused the Democrats of undermining voter choice with technical arguments.
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 No.483721

>>483717
what a farce, Aristotle was right, democracy means rule by the poor, otherwise it's just plutocracy.
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 No.483742

kek
>Harris pledges to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if elected
https://www.aol.com/news/harris-pledges-appoint-republican-her-210625703.html
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 No.483743

>>483742
didnt Abraham Lincoln do this?
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 No.483984

File: 1725989446413.png ( 1.48 MB , 1284x943 , ClipboardImage.png )

How it's going:
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 No.484023

Protests live now outside the "debate" in Philadelphia.
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 No.484144

"My generation could rightfully be called the 9/11 generation. As a teenager, I witnessed how that single day, and the actions of the government in the days after, forever altered our nation and our world. Wars abroad, privacy invaded at home, and a horrific day of terror being used as justification for our military-industrial complex and the actions of our intelligence agencies.

The lives of thousands were lost on that day, and millions more in the wars to come. Twenty-three years later, I am the first millennial candidate for president. I am the first who has lived their entire adult life in the post-9/11 world.

My generation may barely remember a time before the TSA, before warrantless wiretaps, before the wars and drones, a time when peace was the goal. Moving forward, we must recognize the failures and no longer be led by fear into the removal of liberty.

May we honor the memory of those who died on 9/11/2001, never forgetting them, and may God bless those who lost loved ones with peace until they reunite in the life everlasting."
https://twitter.com/ChaseForLiberty/status/1833858891727147150
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 No.484246

https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1834291212297113874
A judge has just sided with the Democratic Party of Georgia to have Claudia and Karina removed from the ballot, but we are determined to keep up this fight!

GA keeps going back and forth, as Democrats push to take the PSL (and West) off the ballot even after they've been approved.
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 No.484501

File: 1727407866960.jpg ( 761.38 KB , 1500x1500 , sept 26 2024 GA supreme co….jpg )

https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1839385572902875591
Claudia De la Cruz somehow ratfucked off the ballot in Georgia after the ballots were already printed with her name on them.

"BREAKING — Georgia decides that it will not count the votes for socialist candidate Claudia De la Cruz

Democratic Party lawyers and the Republican-majority Supreme Court worked together to suppress democracy.

After our volunteers collected more than double the required signatures and the ballots have been printed, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled yesterday that our votes will not be officially counted.

This unjust ruling is a reminder of why it is so urgent to build an alternative outside the two-party system."
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 No.484506

>>483743
Very different country then. The split was already there. Douglas was basically saying "vote Lincoln" without actually saying it. The South didn't vote for either - they had their man and their mission.

This isn't that. This is a bunch of stupid horseshit to line up poor people to get killed.
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 No.484507

>>484501
I don't know, but democracy is something that people have to impose. Also the people who have been denied representation probably can argue that they no longer have to pay taxes now.
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 No.484508

>>484507
No democracy in history was never "imposed". It was always given, in some way, from the ruling power to a selected demos, often without asking the demos whether they actually wanted this or understood what the devil a "democracy" was. The democratic conditions were possible because there were men with something useful who could be requisitioned, whether this was armed men for conscription or the capital of a nascent class. But, no group chose, by some unknown force, to impose democracy for vague and unspecified reason. There was a purpose for all such projects that is understood to the initiates once it begins, and it then falls on them to continue this, as members of the democratic society fill offices and must perpetuate this. From the outset, there are those among the demos who are above the ordinary, and those men often were the ones who established the democracy for their own purposes, going so far as subjecting themselves to the same laws and customs applied to any other member. In practice, the superiors are not equally treated, and the relative influence and value of the members is never equal. The superiors are never fixed by any hereditary law, and so superiors can rise and fall, new men can rise from nothing in theory. Democratic societies do not value any conceit of a stable class hierarchy in that sense or a "ruling class", since in principle, the demos exists because the men are requisitioned for the same sort of functions, which are comparable to each other for political purposes. For example, fighting men need an economic life that allows them to afford the weapons they are expected to provision themselves, producers require security and the means to produce those things, and these two functions would have been understood to the other as necessary for the project to work, without any dickering over which was valued above the other or was placed in any natural hierarchy, where fighting men were naturally there to lord over producers, who were lorded over by priests. The tripartate ordering of society remained, and so religious offices and superstitions were always going to be at the apex of spiritual authority and held a regulatory check on the society, but distinct prescribed classes as such were wholly unnecessary and contrary. The democratic subjects really did not belong to any of the three orders of the tripartate division, but to something which was, for the tripartate order, beneath all. To the tripartate order, all who were not subsumed into its institutions were declared slaves, and democracy was declared a logical and natural impossibility. But, that order required men in some way, and none of the three orders in purified form provided anything. The demos itself, which properly belonged to the fourth order of the laborers, didn't actually hold anything either. It was the fifth and lowest orders - those who were consigned to suffer and be rejected - who had the real substance and did all of the actual toil and work. Labor was always a thief - perhaps a thief with pretensions that its theft was just and right, taking from the unworthy and giving to the righteous based on need rather than ability or utility. Usually the easiest way for the demos to find wealth was to take it back from the rich whose theft was more rank and obvious, having served no purpose and being the chief cause of social fbi.gov. The trick, in the end, was to turn all such pressure downward - to codify the ritual sacrifice that was at the core of the human race, and make it life's prime want.
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 No.484509

I can see the rationale for voting for any candidate

Trump, if you are sick of retard feminists
Harris, if you are sick of pure, undiluted psychopathy
Stein if you want society and government to actually work for everyone
Chase if u want to do hard drugs in peace

But I still think Stein is the best choice unless Harris actually comes out with a decent platform
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 No.484513

>>484509
>I still think Stein is the best choice
Yeah if she or somebody like her gets into power, the world might actually improve somewhat.
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 No.484514

>>484507
Yes.

>>484508
Eugene, no offense, I'm very tired today and have shit to do. Maybe I'll read all that later.

>>484509
Being way too generous wrt Harris. And Trump, too, tbh. They're both only appealing on the grounds of culture war brainrot, they represent essentially the same interests - the best argument for Trump is that he might scale
back US support for Ukraine, but there's no evidence in his track record to support the idea that he'll do that, so it comes off like Nixon promising to get out of Vietnam.
Harris seems, to me, a lot worse than liberals make her out to be. The fact that she is still currently Biden's VP is illustrative of that - she's willing to be second banana to, and run cover for, a president who struggles to stay coherent for 10 minutes. Putting political concerns ahead of concerns about this man's mental fitness and the message it sends to people around the world demonstrates a deep, aggressive level of incompetence comparable to Trump's.

Your analysis about Stein and Chase is fine, though. And De la Cruz is still on many ballots and represents a socialist choice. Stein and Chase are both opposed to US support for the genocide, and I'll vote for whichever of those two is doing better come November… although I'd prefer Stein, of the two.
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 No.484591

Five days until the burgers have a meltdown, get ready to sip those tears.
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 No.484600

A lawyer for Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger told justices during arguments Tuesday that it was too late to change ballots, but if the court ruled against the candidates, Raffensperger’s office would place notices at polling places and within absentee ballot envelopes that votes for either candidate will not be counted. With this decision, Georgians will choose between Republican Donald Trump, Democrat Kamala Harris, Libertarian Chase Oliver and Green Party candidate Jill Stein on Nov. 5.

De la Cruz said her campaign is “weighing its future legal options” and called the arguments in favor of the decision “outlandish,” arguing that if independent candidates were to follow the rules as proscribed by the justices, they would have to collect more than 120,000 signatures to qualify for Georgia ballots, an overburdensome number.

“Democratic Party lawyers and the Republican-majority Supreme Court worked together to suppress democracy,” she said in a statement. “This unjust ruling is a reminder of why it is so urgent to build an alternative outside the two-party system. We have a socialist program that speaks to the needs of working people — clearly this is something that scares the Democrats and Republicans, and the Wall Street billionaires who control both parties. Regardless of this ruling, we will not stop organizing in this state and we will continue to spread our socialist message far and wide.”

In an email, a spokesman for West said the campaign continues to encourage supporters to vote for West.

The justices’ decision had to do with the meaning of the word “candidate” in part of state code.

https://www.gpb.org/news/2024/09/27/georgia-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-by-independents-west-de-la-cruz-count-their
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 No.484729

https://x.com/TadhgHickey/status/1842186936405934490
Irish comedian Tadhg Hickey endorses Jill Stein.
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 No.484732

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 No.484750

>>484732
I hate corporate slogans.
They're not evolving, what they meant to say was adapting. Evolution happens inter-generational. In their analogy evolution would mean Lockheed Martin goes bankrupt and gets replaced by a new company that's better at making weapons.

I just noticed they think a year has 13 months ?
LoL
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 No.484752

>>484750
>I just noticed they think a year has 13 months ?
That was written last October. October 2023-November 2024 is 13 months.
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 No.484780

File: 1728264422509.mp4 ( 4.25 MB , 320x568 , oct 5 2024 Claudia De la C….mp4 )

Claudia De la Cruz speaking in NYC yesterday.
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 No.484781

>>484780
Does she talk about socialism at some point?
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 No.484782

>>484781
This was at an anti-genocide march.
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 No.484871

Abandon Harris officially endorses Jill Stein.
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 No.484878

>>484782
You can't begin to talk about ending imperialism without talking about ending private property.
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 No.484879

>>484144
>muh 9/11
It's EVERY disaster. Covid was used to move Trillions into private hands. I'm sure the recent hurricanes will similarly exploited.
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 No.484910

>>484878
She's doing that like half the time already, I think people get the idea. Having every single speech and appeal be "here's my platform and I'll talk about no related issues in detail or appeal to anyone directly" would be autistic AF. Not everything is a lecture.

>>484879
What logic are you even operating on here?
Is this just about him mentioning 9/11?
There's literally nothing wrong with, accurately, pointing out that 9/11 was used as a pretext to launch two wars, pass the Patriot Act, bring back torture, etc. You're not making a counter-point, and the point you appear to think you're making actually just undermines what you're trying to say. Look, read what you're suggesting:
>I'm sure hurricanes Helene & Milton will be blamed on two foreign countries which will then be opportunistically invaded.
Just take a glance at that.
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 No.484918

>>484910
My point is that capitalists will use every disaster for an upward transfer of wealth. If 911 didn't happen they would use something else, or simply false flag their way into more wars. There is a crisis of overproduction that is the root cause of these wars, calling yourself "le 911 generation" is retarded, even though yes I guess it was an excuse for a bunch of shit.
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 No.484924

>>484918
9/11 wasn't about convincing Americans to agree to anything. It was Israel's victory lap, where they knew they could make the Americans do anything and had a Vichy government installed. We don't have a country. We have a "Homeland".
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 No.484927

>>484918
>My point is that capitalists will use every disaster
Different anon here.

Yes there is shock-doctrine. A conscious effort that seeks to use or create crisis to attack the interests of the population. It's been somewhat effective, however it is not universal, it cannot exploit every crisis.

A example of it backfiring is the neocon attempt to hit Russia with a double whammy of a proxy-war plus a economic war. The Russian economy actually grew and they improved their diplomatic position in most of the world.

The counter-tendency begins in the peripheral regions, but it won't stay there.

If the neo-libs try to use the hurricane crisis against the affected population, by denying public aid and by canceling insurance that likely will have the effect of destroying trust in insurance. If people are abandoned, that will de-valuate a huge chunk of real-estate that is within climate-disaster territory, once people try to pre-emptively get out. And it also will change climate politics once people begin suffering consequences. When climate disasters begin having systemic effects it will cause a large increase in the demand for labor power.
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 No.484993

Stein is actually the least liked candidate according to polling (ignoring the Libertarians, who somehow score worse).

If there was instant runoff or whatever Stein would not benefit from it. Most people don't like her. Could be because most never saw her in a debate scenario (and she is good at debating) and most Americans are dumb as a box of rocks about political policy
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 No.485001

I'm voting Jill for the 3rd time. :)
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 No.485004

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Reminder that "the average American appear to have
only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant
impact upon public policy"
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 No.485006

>>485004
Reminder that this study's data was from 1981 to 2002. This was well before the McCutcheon v FEC and Citizens United v FEC cases that blew open the floodgates for dark money in elections.

Reminder that for two thousand years after the death of Aristotle the word "democracy" was defined in opposition to elections, and that it was figures from the American and French revolutions that redefined the word to describe one of the historic rivals to democracies.
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 No.485070

I love this lady's voice. It's like if Dakooters was a political wonk.
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 No.485149

>>485148
at 8PM
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 No.485150

>>485148
Only three podia? Is that deeply unserious court jester Cornel West gonna duck out of another debate?
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 No.485151

>>485148
And I see Mr. Abortion is back but Claudia De la Cruz is missing again.
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 No.485152

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Seriously has Claudia De la Cruz been in any sort of debate all year? Has she been actively excluded from debate venues, or is she some kind of idiot with no interest in campaigning? Gloria La Riva had no problem debating back in 2020. I'm sure some PSL members are very cynical about elections, but campaigning is literally the whole point of running for an office you have no chance of winning.
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 No.485154

Uh, Mongolian throat singing?
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 No.485156

>>485152
IIRC she was at the first Free & Equal debate this year.
But not this one.

>Has she been actively excluded from debate venues, or is she some kind of idiot with no interest in campaigning?
She literally has been campaigning extremely effectively. She has better ballot access than La Riva had in 2020 afaik, and the Dems had to use really dirty tricks to kick her off of the ballot in my state even after she got on. Even without the states she was kicked off of, her ballot access numbers are higher than in 2020.
I think she's a fine debater, but she just doesn't prioritize it. I don't blame her… I've got nothing against the Free & Equal debates, it's good that this exists, but it's also more-or-less a political ghetto with limited reach.
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 No.485157

>>485156
>she just doesn't prioritize it. I don't blame her
I'm afraid I have to. Out of all forms of campaigning, debates have by a wide margin the greatest impact in getting your message out there. In fact it's exactly why the Democrats and Republicans formed a private cartel to exclude all other candidates from presidential debates, they took the lesson to heart when Ross Perot shot up in popularity after a single debate in 1992. Ducking out of debates when you're not actually being barred from them is an incredibly stupid campaign move. I know more about this deranged Constitution Party candidate's politics than I do De la Cruz's simply because he's been in every one of these debates.
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 No.485158

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I'm so glad that for once Jill Stein didn't respond to that question about two-party domination by shilling for Instant Runoff Voting. Maybe someone's finally gotten some more info to her and she's becoming more tepid about that particular trash-tier alternative voting method.
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 No.485173

>>485157
>I'm afraid I have to. Out of all forms of campaigning, debates have by a wide margin the greatest impact in getting your message out there.
And yet she has more ballot access than La Riva. The PSL's tactic of being at the forefront of the anti-genocide protest movement has worked incredibly well. FWIW, it's also been a successful tactic for the Greens this year, but they had a larger base to draw from to begin with. They've also been expanding community outreach as well:
https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1842581779150147645

>In fact it's exactly why the Democrats and Republicans formed a private cartel to exclude all other candidates from presidential debates, they took the lesson to heart when Ross Perot shot up in popularity after a single debate in 1992.
Yeah, but the thing is they largely succeeded, and I alluded to that in the post you're replying to. More folks should watch Free & Equal, sure, but as is the typical viewers are freaks who are super interested in politics. If it had the viewership of the MSM debates, I'd agree with you, but right now it doesn't. More people tuned in to the kooky clown debates about Haitians eating dogs and the importance of Israeli expansion than saw this.

>I know more about this deranged Constitution Party candidate's politics than I do De la Cruz's simply because he's been in every one of these debates.
And yet Randall has ballot access in 12 states whereas De la Cruz has ballot access in 19. The actual ground game of the PSL might be the most impressive of any party right now in terms of how much they accomplish vs. how much they start with.
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 No.485176

>>485158
Instant runoff sucks, you forfeit all you votes
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 No.485177

>>485152
Just watch a video her. Cruz is a no-energy airhead spic who never has anything interesting to say and just says buzzwords.
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 No.485179

>>485176
You've investigated all the electoral schemes ?

Is there any that is actually better than sortition , meaning democracy by lot.

Which is basically using statistically representative sampling like what is used for scientific research. If you pick a large enough randomized sample from a group you have a high statistical likelihood that it is very representative of that group. In scientific research this is being used because it is very effective at preventing bias.
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 No.485181

>>485179
Of course not, but it's a silly comparison because sortition is democratic whereas elections are oligarchic. As far as the best social choice methods go (whether electing people in an oligarchy or making popular choices in a democracy), rating-based voting methods such as approval voting, score voting, and STAR voting are at the top of the pack. It's the same reason that anytime you fill out a psychological survey it asks you to rate how you feel about something on some kind of scale, rather than some contrived preference ranking. Ratings provide information that is more expressive, less biased, and in the case of decision-making less tactical.
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 No.485182

>>485177
Lmao no she's not. I've seen her speak in person multiple times, including this instance: >>482520
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 No.485190

>>485182
She has energy there but still a bunch of buzzwords you could pay any airheaded spic to say
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 No.485193

File: 1729885058969.png ( 2.17 MB , 2438x1028 , ClipboardImage.png )

HOLY KEK
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 No.485194

>>485193
I reposted this from lemmygrad
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 No.485195

>>485193
is this real?
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 No.485198

>>485195
I don't really know, but they could be making shit up to paint people who don't go along with the warmongering as "foreign influenced".

You know how neo-cons think, you can't possibly disagree with them because you have different political opinions, it has to be the spooky other that's manipulating you.
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 No.485201

>>485193
>>485196
>The efforts were identified as an effort to tip the race against former president Donald Trump through propaganda and disinformation campaigns. However, Iranian efforts have also targeted Joe Biden and Kamala Harris with similar attacks
Wait so you're telling me the Iranians don't like hawkish US presidential candidates?
WTF!!! Stop the presses!
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 No.485205

>>485190
I don't think you know what a buzzword is.
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 No.485207

>>485196
>>485193
Keep your eye out for editors who appear to spend every moment of their waking lives (or greater) making edits to articles. That's usually a red flag for spook agency operation.
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 No.485208

>>485201
>Wait so you're telling me the Iranians don't like
Why do you accept the premise that Iran is messing with US internal politics at face value ?

I don't know whether or not this is happening, but it sounds like the kind of propaganda they make when they try to go to war with a country.
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 No.485209

>>485193
>>485196
Interesting, no article for Israeli interference while Netanyahu has obviously been trying to play kingmaker for the past six months.
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 No.485210

>>485181
If you're obsessing over the right forms to call it "a democracy", you're not doing democracy, you numbnuts. Technocratic conceits are taken for granted so much that you believe that sortition will naturally work because "merit doesn't matter" due to office-holding be a superfluous legacy feature and the system regulating itself. That's what fascism does, and what a fascist would advance to mock democracy.

The Athenians did it that way not because it was "more democratic" but because the idea of elevating a chosen "best" turns democracy into a rubberstamp of the aristocracy, and so the idea that the process of elections meant anything was not automatic. We wouldn't presume that because 50%+1 people voted for one guy (and often not even that) that this somehow grants that one guy greater legitimacy to hold office, knowing all of the intrigues inherent to politics and associations. In Athens, there was no "system" as such, and effective control was hashed out in the backroom, which is how politics really works so far as the club has any say in what goes down. Today, men in suits have these vast, overbearing institutions looming over us. It's insane to speak of democracy in such a society. It's actually amazing that any pretension of democracy survived the 1930s, but what they're doing now is not in any way shape or form "a democracy" in its decisions. The only democratic features were that people still had some of the stuff they accumulated during the republic's rampant plundering of the world.
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 No.485214

>>485210
>In Athens, there was no "system" as such, and effective control was hashed out in the backroom, which is how politics really works so far as the club has any say in what goes down.
In reality Athens was dominated by strong orators able to convince the adult free male citizens to select their policies, and to a lesser extent the elected generals and state treasurer (the only elected offices in Athens). Though whenever these elected officials got on the bad side of the people they often saw extreme retaliation for their mistakes in Greek democracies. There are numerous instances of Athenian and Argive demos retaliating against generals that had been seen to have failed them in warfare. The power of backroom dealing to affect government decision-making was much more limited, due to an inability to predict exactly who's going to hold power with sortition offices.

As far as your strangely hostile assessment of sortiiton, you haven't produced an actual argument as to why it can't be implemented today. Our ability to reliably sample people randomly has been honed down to a razor's edge today, with modern computer science and well over a hundred years of development behind statistics and probability theory.
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 No.485217

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its looking like trump won going by the early votes and poll momentum. Im still not sure which outcome is more useful for the non-reformist left.

Trump himself is fully in the establishment. I trust him to not even do a minimal radical change. On the rogan podcast yesterday he admitted that he didn't lock hillary up because "it would look bad for our country". So on one hand trump winning might radicalize his voter base when they see that even a second time he doesn't make any fundamental change or help them.

On the other hand, if trump wins it might make democratic voters continue to feel tied to the party and "vote blue no matter who". Since they could continue to claim that all that has to happen is a return to normalcy. Trump overturning Roe v Wade has made almost all women leashed to the dems.

And then from the geopollitical view, trump winning might accelerate the downfall of US hegemoney as other countries see us as too politically unstable and start to move away. That alone might be more impactful on domestic politics, via a large crash in the dollars value, than either outcome. Making trumps victory the better option.
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 No.485218

>>485208
>Why do you accept the premise that Iran is messing with US internal politics at face value ?
I don't. That's the joke. The line quoted from the article is effectively just saying that the Iranians said mean things about high ranking US politicians, but said line is simultaneously trying to frame it as attacks on Trump specifically.
Iranian leadership criticizing US leadership is not news.
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 No.485219

>>485217
>On the other hand, if trump wins it might make democratic voters continue to feel tied to the party and "vote blue no matter who". Since they could continue to claim that all that has to happen is a return to normalcy. Trump overturning Roe v Wade has made almost all women leashed to the dems.
I think that there is a strengthening understanding in the US right now that Biden/Harris's genocidal policies and general failure on a number of their base's issues is what's actually losing them the election.

The Dems had opportunities to codify Roe… but they didn't. In fact, while overturning it was part of the Trump agenda, it was not actually overturned until 2022. Trans rights, a medical issue which has been turned into an idiotic political football, are worse now than they were 15 years ago, another thing which happened under Biden which Dems have done fuck all to stop. Biden pulled out of Afghanistan (a famous bungle in its execution, but there was no way not to bungle it - it was either going to be bungled then or 20 years later, there was no realistic way to beat the Taliban), but resumed bombing Iraq & Syria, as well as Yemen. Walz even came out in support of reforming/abolishing the Electoral College (the reason why Clinton lost the election in 2016 but got about 3 million more actual votes), a popular proposal, and the Harris campaign told him to stop.

Some people might still do the dumb "VOTE HARDER!!!" thing, but I think most young folks are going to understand that when the Dems fuck up and betray their supposed base this hard, "blue no matter who" isn't going to save them.

The best path forward is for people to prepare for Trump term 2 by arming, organizing, gathering essential supplies, and networking. Even those who still don't think Harris will lose should get ready; and if libs realize that Harris is also extremely evil, then you'll be just as prepared for that as you would if Trump wins. Either way, you're prepared if you prepare. We're headed for another recession very soon, and it's going to be a disaster, and Trump will most likely be president.
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 No.485221

File: 1730031509594.jpg ( 78.26 KB , 1179x1138 , harris cheney billboard mi….jpg )

https://x.com/ZeynabDay/status/1850426616641474888
I didn't even know that Liz Cheney voted against repealing Trump's Muslim ban until seeing photos of this billboard and looking it up. Harris creating an opportunity for Trump (assuming he's behind this) not only to position himself as the less hawkish candidate again, but also to run against his own shitty policies is insane. It would be one of the worst campaigns I've ever seen if she wasn't trying to lose on purpose.
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 No.485224

>>485221
I continue to be utterly bewildered at how people I consider to be otherwise excellent journalists continue to refer to Trump's travel ban as a "Muslim ban". The ban was not on "Muslims". It was on travel from states the United States had recently been engaging in warfare against. It's very telling that it didn't even include extreme Wahabists/Islamists from Saudi Arabia. It's like everyone turned their brains off on day one with that ban to frame it as bigotry when it was actually a cynical representation of American imperial blowback.
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 No.485232

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>>485219
In the context of the american electorate as a whole, I'm not so sure. They did vote biden in the primary and general back in 2020 after all. Young people seem more ready to break away from both parties and the system as a whole, but they are not what matters in the immediate situation. At kamala's town hall there was one woman who asked if she was going to expand the supreme court to counter trump packing it with conservatives and she dodged while obviously meaning "no".

Trump isn't great on foreign policy either. He delayed certifying nordstream 2 for his entire term, which is what allowed biden to get away with blowing it up later. If he really was working for the anti-usa bloc as liberals(and some leftists) seem to believe, he would have let nordstream be integrated into the german economy and made it harder to break them away from russia.

Trump breaking obama's iran deal and killing solemani(likely no oct7 in a world where hillary won) is a lot like the way he broke Roe v Wade. It's only at the edge of unwittingly breaking the established order, but not enough to actually break it. That only makes the rubber banding back to the 'center' more powerful. Time is wasted reversing his impact while the center gets validation for looking like they're actually doing something cleaning up after him.

Then again, if kamala is left holding the bag for everything going to shit regardless of trumps defeats, we would also have to go through this whole anti-establishment electoral candidate arc again. So discrediting trumpism as a strategy could be a necessary step we are in the midst of.
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 No.485296

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/10/31/a-second-trump-term-comes-with-unacceptable-risks
>A second Trump term comes with unacceptable risks
<If The Economist had a vote, we would cast it for Kamala Harris
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 No.485301

Don't see Republicans reeing about the deficit in regards to inflation because they know Trump will like double the deficit lmao

One of the only good things for the economy he'd do
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 No.485302

File: 1730525272756.png ( 390.11 KB , 1453x622 , elon.png )

>>485301
trump is going to get rid of the deficit and do anarcho capitalism like milie
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 No.485304

>>485224
>I continue to be utterly bewildered at how people I consider to be otherwise excellent journalists continue to refer to Trump's travel ban as a "Muslim ban".

You're either disingenuous or incredibly stupid. The ban in question was proposed as a Muslim ban, and then altered for the sake of plausible deniability. That's it. No one is naive for not buying the weaselly bullshit which was used to sell an unconstitutional travel ban by the campaign's legal team, it was literally just a watered-down political wish-fulfillment of Trump's promise to enact a "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."
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 No.485305

Stein is at 42% with Muslims rn.

Our latest and final poll of Muslim voter preferences reveals a virtual tie: 42% for Green Party’s @drjillstein, 41% for VP @kamalaharris. With only 5% not planning to vote and nearly no undecided voters, American Muslims are set to make a substantial impact on #ElectionDay, especially in key swing states.

CAIR’s message is clear: “Our community is engaged. Now is the time to show the strength of American Muslim voices in this crucial election.” Let’s make sure our voices are heard! 🗳️

#GazaGenocide and #HumanRights remain major factors in shaping voter preferences.

Read more: about CAIR’s final survey and the critical role Muslim voters play in 2024.
https://twitter.com/CAIRNational/status/1852355733817524720
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 No.485307

>>485304
Sure thing anon, I guess that's why it excluded the vast majority of the world's Muslims and only targeted countries the US had been fucking around with recently. Because it was a Muslim ban.
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 No.485309

>>485307
Again,
>"a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on."
If you are genuinely fooled by the arbitrary steps taken to disguise it, that's on you. I've given you the context. People interpreted it as a Muslim ban because Trump said he'd ban Muslims. It's incredibly naive to think that a travel ban on countries like Iraq, after over 20 years of us fucking with them, was just about us fucking with them when the bans corresponded specifically to the announcement of a plan to ban Muslims. The rollout was specifically changed in order to appease the state department and reduce challenges on constitutional grounds by adding plausible deniability; IE it was legal weaselry. No serious analyst sees it as anything else, and it was still challenged in court, at which point Iraq was removed and they added in some non-Muslim majority countries to, again, reduce challenges on constitutional grounds. If you think that he announced a ban on Muslims and this was anything other than his attempt to do just that within legal & political constraints, I have a bridge to sell you.
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 No.485310

>>485309
The problem, anon, is that while you quibble over intentions the actual outcome wasn't a Muslim ban, and it makes you look like a dishonest fool when you try to portray it as one to anyone who isn't in your zone of agreement. There are a ton of legitimate things to critique Trump about, but relying on something focused on intention rather than outcome just makes you come across as another partisan hack.
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 No.485311

>>485310
>The problem, anon, is that while you quibble over intentions the actual outcome wasn't a Muslim ban
If a guy tells me he's going to rob my house, and then later that day I catch him breaking in, and he then tries to tell me he's there to give me Christmas presents, I'll believe he was trying to rob my house.

That's it. That's why people call it a Muslim ban. Nobody is going to give Trump credit for saying he'd do something dumb and then being partially stopped at the implementation stage by the state department and the courts. Even if he doesn't fully succeed, he already told us what he was trying to do.

You're essentially getting mad at journalists for being slightly too clever to fall for the political equivalent of a game of peek-a-boo. Meanwhile, your argument is so long-dead by this point that they're now running ads against Harris which also acknowledge that it was a Muslim ban. It's literally on the billboard in the post you were replying to. Nobody takes this charade that it was anything else seriously except you.
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 No.485313

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>>485311
>Nobody takes this charade that it was anything else seriously except you.
Except, well, anyone who knows the countries actually on the ban list and who knows anything about the worldwide distribution of Muslims. Why wasn't Indonesia on the ban list, anon?
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 No.485314

>>481775
Stein seems to be the most leftist choice even as a green liberal.
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 No.485318

>>485314
in 2012, Stein was basically a social democrat but now is approaching commie with her dramatic and based public housing proposals
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 No.485329

>>485310
I was thinking at the time, why are they screaming at Trump for saying "I will follow the Bush/Obama policy", which isn't going to change? That's how miserable the discourse is. They're testing the Ingsoc machine and the ability to get their screamers riled up over anything. Neocons look like complete doofuses when they try to emulate "woke", which is what Hillary was going for.
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 No.485330

I'll be voting Stein I think if only because the dems tried to get the party banned in my state.
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 No.485332

>>485329
>I was thinking at the time, why are they screaming at Trump for saying "I will follow the Bush/Obama policy", which isn't going to change?
That literally wasn't a Bush/Obama policy lol.
Bush & Obama were shit, but that wasn't one of the things they did. It was another shit policy. It was an addition to the pile of shit policies, that doesn't make the other, previous shit policies any less shit.

>>485313
>Oh, you're saying John Wayne Gacy was a murderer
>explain why he didn't kill absolutely everybody then!
This is fucking retarded and if you can't tell how retarded it is, I'm not going to be able to convince you how fucking inane this "point" is. You're arguing with someone who knows what countries were on the list. Most people who call it a Muslim ban (including Trump himself, Muslims, and now Trump campaigners) know this shit, this is basic stuff, it is not a curveball to anyone, you're the one who's actively ignoring context because your dumbass position and sense of specialboy contrarianism can't withstand said context. You're showing me a map I first saw when I was about 12 and had interfaith studies. You're like a little baby to me; you don't know how politics, law, or religious discrimination work, and you want to debate from a position of ignorance rather than accept the context which would allow you to better understand others' positions.
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 No.485333

https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1852865500809716034
aW hELL YEAH!!!!
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 No.485336

>>485332
You're making an awful lot of appeals to popular opinion or common sense anon, but as far as your actual argument goes it's not terribly convincing.

>you don't know how stuff works >:(
This special pleading especially smacks of desperation.
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 No.485339

>>485336
>You're making an awful lot of appeals to popular opinion or common sense
Your entire argument is based on ignoring context and pretending everyone else is wrong for paying better attention than you did. It's not that other people disagree with you, it's that they disagree for a reason, and I told you that reason immediately in >>485304
I'm not going to pretend to respect you just because you lack political object permanence.

>This special pleading especially smacks of desperation.
Because I already told you how it works in >>485304 and >>485309
, dumbass. Like, I've been into the process, and your "argument" is just based on ignoring that and continuing to repeat the same flawed argument you started with which doesn't take the process or the context into account. I've told you why your "explanations" do not hold water (the bans could have been introduced earlier if they were unrelated to Trump's stated Muslim ban objective, but they were only introduced by the Muslim ban guy after he proposed a Muslim ban; people accordingly treated it as a Muslim ban which was watered down by Trump's legal team to get through the courts, which is what it was. This is not an "appeal to common sense," because I've already explained the reason that the view is commonly held rather than leaving it a mystery, so you're being disingenuous when you characterize it that way. Trying to split hairs over how effective the ban itself was completely misses the point as well; an incomplete manifestation of Trump's proposed Muslim ban is still the same plan in practice. No one, not even the Trump team when he's not in office, is going to stick their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise; and when I point out how uniquely dense you are, please understand that that's not my argument, but rather me insulting you for falling for a ruse which even the rusers no longer care enough to maintain consistently. I've made my argument already, and explained why your argument does not hold water, and now I am calling you a retard for refusing to take any new information into account, you absolute dullard. Your obtuseness is frustrating, and that's the reason that I am calling you a dumbfuck, but you probably won't even understand that.), and you just expect me to keep repeating myself like you're a little child who can't process it.
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 No.485343

>>485339
All right anon, I think I know what the problem is here. This is a product of America's deplorable math/logic education… Let's try a different approach. I have the following numbers:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9

I remove some numbers and am now left with the following:
1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9

Did I just implement a ban on even numbers?
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 No.485344

Lmao green party fags coping hard.
Ultra leftists get wrecked.

I'm voting for harris, ofc.
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 No.485347

>>485344
Stein voters aren't seething about people voting Harris, it's the other way around my friend.
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 No.485350

>>485302
Don't know if you are joking but no, Trump will double the deficit at least with his proposed tax cuts. He ran larger deficits than Biden.

One of the only good things about him, but it requires a Democratic congress. In other words, a Democratic Congresss and a Trump presidency for maximum deficit spending.
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 No.485351

The polling basically suggests Trump will win…

Dems are very quiet about that right now which is bizarre, Harris has to win Pennsylvania. She can! win, but she is not the favorite coming into it.
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 No.485360

Owen Jones in NC
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 No.485361

File: 1730762727464.png ( 224.82 KB , 501x605 , 1729802602645084.png )

Holy fuckkkk HERE WE GOOOO.
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 No.485362

Rania Khalek in Michigan.
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 No.485363

>>485351
>Iowa called they want their polls back
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 No.485370

Owen Jones in Wisconsin, including at a Trump rally.
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 No.485372

Larry Wilkerson - Inequality Causing Social Fabric to Unravel, Rebellion in Military Possible
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 No.485378

>>485372
I'll listen to Larry Wilkerson, but I've just about lost all the respect I once had for Paul Jay at this point. He's turned into a really depressing partisan hack who seems to think if he plays nice enough they'll give him a spot on MSNBC.
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 No.485381

Just voted in GA. Claudia De la Cruz and West are still on the digital ballots on the machines even though the DNC sued so many times that those two candidates' votes won't be counted here.

>>485378
It's a great segment, highly recommend. Dunno 'bout Jay.
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 No.485383

Owen Jones in Pennsylvania.
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 No.485390

>>485383
16:50
<our democracy: there's no choice
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 No.485401

Shenanigans in NY
https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1853923929162670151
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 No.485402

Starts in about 20 minutes.
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 No.485403

Status Coup live coverage
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 No.485404

WE FUCKING DID IT!!
LESSER EVILISM IS DEAD
THE LEFT IS FREE!!!
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 No.485405

>>485404
🍯🍯🍾🍿🍿🍿🍿🎤🫳🎉🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎊🎊🎊✨️🤣
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 No.485406

.org literally seething over latino's, Muslims and Black men not wanting to suck "girlcock" and have open borders lmao. Their election thread is literally filled with images of sissy boys and unironic furry porn. What a fucking joke community.
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 No.485407

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>>485404
>>485405
Literally any outcome that's DNC or GOP is a disaster.
No fun allowed. Unironically, fuck celebration. This stupid spectacle is leading to something awful. Genocide or genocide. Don't be smug, the liberals are right to be mad; they were wrong to want to go to brunch.

>>485406
>.org literally seething over latino's, Muslims and Black men not wanting to suck "girlcock" and have open borders lmao.
That's not what this was about.

Don't trust anybody who ignores the $26,400,000,000 elephant in the room. Anyone who thinks this was over transhumanists is full of shit; that's only a hot-button issue one way or the other to degenerate freaks, whether they're on the left or the right. Harris lost by going full neocon and everyone knows it, but the DNC is too Cheney-pilled to admit it.
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 No.485408

Can't wait for another four fucking years of Russiagate. Not that they really gave up on it during Biden's presidency. Maybe this time we'll get an actual nuclear exchange out of it though.
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 No.485409

Trump three Electoral votes short of threshold

The Republican’s projected victory in Pennsylvania has put him three Electoral votes short of winning the presidency. He could win the White House by capturing Alaska or any remaining swing state.

Trump takes the stage in Florida

The Republican candidate has taken the stage with his family and running mate JD Vance, just moments after the AP projected him as the victor in Pennsylvania.

Trump now has 267 Electoral votes, just three shy of victory.

He is expected to get those Electoral votes from Alaska.

Trump begins speech claiming ‘the greatest political movement of all time’

Trump has thanked his supporters.

“We have thousands of friends in this incredible movement,” he said in West Palm Beach. “This was a movement like nobody’s ever seen before, and frankly, this was, I believe, the greatest political movement of all time.

“We’re going to help our country heal. Help our country heal,” Trump said in a possible nod to a departure from his typically divisive rhetoric.

We “will not rest until we have delivered the strong, safe and prosperous America that our children deserve and that you deserve”, he said. “This will truly be the golden age of America.”

He then hailed winning the popular vote, although the final national vote count will not be known for days.

Trump says Republican control of Senate will help him to enact agenda

Trump has said “America has given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate”.

He hailed Republicans control of the senate. After today’s results, the party controls 51 seats in the 100-seat chamber.

Trump also claimed Republicans were on track to win the House of Representatives, although control of the chamber will likely not be known for days.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485410

>>485408
They're genocidal. They're all genocidal. Please stop being mad at them for, like, dumb lib shit and fake scandals; it's totally irrelevant now. Just get a grip of where we are, this endless dunking and deboonking and eyerolling has maybe never been that great. We need to actually stop them from doing the thing they've done and keep doing, which Trump will also keep doing. Spectating at the spectacle of the spectacle is still spectacle. Like, can you imagine someone being in your position under Pinochet and just being like "ooh I can't wait for them to do the [insert vaguely annoying bogus political scandal from 8 years ago]" when they've already been dropping guys out of helicopters for an entire year? I mean, have some perspective my dude.
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 No.485411

>>485410
I'm not sure why you think that doesn't matter. It's thanks to Russiagate that we are now closer to nuclear annihilation than the Cuban missile crisis. Genocide against a single ethnicity is pretty evil, but the obliteration of civilization is the ultimate genocide.
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 No.485412

Trump says RFK Jr will ‘make America healthy again’

Trump has promised to give Robert F. Kennedy Jr a prominent role overseeing health policy in his administration. That has raised concerns over the political scion’s endorsement of fringe theories.

In his speech, Trump again says he will give vaccine skeptic wide-ranging influence.

“He’s a great guy, and he really he wants to do some things, and we’re going to let him go to it,” he said. “I just said, but Bobby, leave the oil to me … Bobby, stay away from the liquid gold. Other than that, go have a good time.”

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485414

>>485411
>I'm not sure why you think that doesn't matter. It's thanks to Russiagate
Literally nothing is thanks to Russiagate.
The 2014 Maidan coup was not thanks to Russiagate.
The annexation of Crimea was not thanks to Russiagate.
The US backing Zelenskyy was not thanks to Russiagate.
The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine was not thanks to Russiagate.
The US approving Ukraine hitting Russian territory was not thanks to Russiagate.
Israel bombing a Russian base in Syria this year was not thanks to Russiagate.
Israel attacking Iran multiple times and threatening to hit nuclear facilities was not thanks to Russiagate.
The US conducting exercises at the nearest point to China in the ROC was not thanks to Russiagate.

Like, the hokey pokey narratives are not actually what's doing the legwork here.
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 No.485415

World leaders congratulate Trump

The well wishes are coming in although the counting of votes is continuing. Harris is also yet to concede.

French President Emmanuel Macron said he was “ready to work together as we have done for four years… with respect and ambition, for more peace and prosperity”.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu congratulated Trump “on history’s greatest comeback”.
Austria Chancellor Karl Nehammer said he looks forward to “further expanding and strengthening our transatlantic relations to successfully address global challenges together”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485417

More reactions from world leaders

NATO chief Mark Rutte congratulated Trump, saying “his leadership will again be key to keeping our Alliance strong”.
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni offered her “most sincere congratulations” and said she hoped to strengthen Italy and the US’s “strategic bond”.
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer called Trump’s projected victory “historic” and said he looked forward “to working with you in the years ahead”.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi offered his “heartiest congratulations” and said, “Together, let’s work for the betterment of our people and to promote global peace, stability and prosperity”.
Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala said “our shared goal is to ensure that the relations between our countries remain at the highest level, despite changes in administration”.
Polish President Andrzej Duda said, “You made it happen!”
Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed also congratulated Trump on his “comeback” and said he hoped to strengthen ties between their countries.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485418

Holy fuck it's fucking ogre
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 No.485419

>>485404
Holy fuck you are stupid.
Please kill yourself in an expedient manner.
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 No.485420

>>485419
Cope
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 No.485421

>>485418
Why is it ogre?
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 No.485422

Ukraine’s Zelenskyy, EU congratulate Trump

More leaders have congratulated Trump after he declared victory as vote counting continues:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Trump won an “impressive victory” and expressed hope that his presidency would bring “just peace in Ukraine closer”.
EU Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen “warmly” congratulated Trump. “We are bound by a true partnership between our people, uniting 800 million citizens,” she said on X. “So let’s work together on a strong transatlantic agenda that keeps delivering for them.”
EU Council President Charles Michel said “the EU looks forward to continuing our constructive cooperation” with the US under the Trump administration.

China hopes for ‘win-win cooperation’ with US

China says it hopes for “peaceful coexistence” with the US as Trump neared a decisive victory over Harris in the presidential election.

“We will continue to approach and handle China-US relations based on the principles of mutual respect, peaceful coexistence, and win-win cooperation,” Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning told a regular briefing.

“Our policy toward the United States has been consistent,” she added.

Mao did not comment directly on the possibility of Trump’s re-election but said the “presidential election is an internal affair” of the US.

“We respect the choice of the American people. After the US election results are released and officially announced, we will handle related matters in accordance with usual practice,” she added when asked if Chinese President Xi Jinping would call Trump to congratulate him.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485423

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 No.485424

Israel’s far right celebrates as Trump claims victory

Israel’s far-right government ministers have welcomed the US election results.

“Yesssss, God bless Trump,” National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, who heads one of two hardline, pro-settler parties in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition, said on X.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who heads the other pro-settler party, said: “God bless Israel, God bless America.”

The Biden administration has imposed sanctions and asset freezes on settler groups and individuals involved in violence against Palestinians in the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

“We expect to have an ally standing unconditionally beside us as we fight the battles that are a war on the entire West,” said Israel Ganz, chairman of the main Yesha settler council.

Russia to judge Trump presidency on ‘concrete steps’

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov says Russia will judge Donald Trump, who has claimed victory in the US presidential election, on his actions.

“We will draw conclusions based on concrete steps and concrete words,” Peskov told journalists, adding he’s “not aware of the president’s plans to congratulate Trump on the election” since the US is an “unfriendly country”.

The FBI has attributed several hoax bomb threats that disrupted Election Day voting to Russian email domains. The Russian embassy in Washington said insinuations about Russian interference were “malicious slander”.

What impact is the war on Gaza having on Michigan’s result?
Teresa Bo
Reporting from Detroit, Michigan

Even though Arab-American voters represent only one percent of the registered voters in the US, many of them are located in this key swing state of Michigan.

They have played a crucial role in this election. Traditionally the Muslim Arab-American community here has voted for the Democratic Party but that has clearly changed in this election. Everyone we spoke to today was extremely angry with what’s going on in the Middle East right now, the war on Gaza, the war in Lebanon.

People are concerned about their relatives living there, their relatives being killed there. There’s lots of anger, lots of frustration with the Democratic party and certainly that played a role in the results that we’re seeing here today.

The Arab-American community say that from now on politicians shouldn’t take their votes for granted. They want their community to be able to influence the US’s foreign policy and they hope that this election will send a strong message to US politicians.

Iran plays down importance of US election

In an initial reaction from Iran, government spokesperson Fatemeh Mohajerani says Iranian livelihoods will not be affected by the US vote.

“The US elections are not really our business. Our policies are steady and don’t change based on individuals. We made the necessary predictions before, and there will not be change in people’s livelihoods,” Mohajerani said, according to the semiofficial Tasnim news agency.

Iran’s currency fell to an all-time low as Trump edged closer to clinching the US presidency again. The rial traded at 703,000 rials to the dollar, traders in Tehran said. The rate could still change throughout the day.

Trump unilaterally withdrew the US from Iran’s nuclear deal in 2018, sparking years of tensions between the countries that persist today. Iran’s economy has struggled for years under crippling international sanctions over its rapidly advancing nuclear programme, which now enriches uranium at near weapons-grade levels.

Iran has also threatened to retaliate against Israel, where US troops now man a missile defence battery, after Israel struck Iran on October 26 in response to two Iranian ballistic missile attacks.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485425

Donald Trump declared winner of US election

The Republican candidate is elected US president for the second time.

Trump is projected to have secured at least 270 Electoral College votes to return to the White House, AP reports.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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>>485426
lol!
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>>485430
Great. Now in addition to "socialist" having been being completely evacuated of meaning, we have these hucksters to turn "communist" into a vacuous buzzword…
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 No.485432

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#DoNotConcedeKamala #copthesteal
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 No.485433

How will Trump’s transition work?

Trump has 75 days before his presidential inauguration to assemble a new administration. That includes filling some 4,000 government positions – from major Cabinet roles to part-time commission members.

Around 1,200 of those presidential appointments require Senate confirmation, which should be easier with the Senate shifting to Republican control. Names Trump has floated for key positions include tech billionaire Elon Musk and vaccine sceptic Robert Kennedy Jr.

Trump’s transition is being led primarily by his friends and family, including his adult sons, Donald Trump Jr and Eric Trump, and his running mate, JD Vance.

Transition co-chairs are billionaire businessman Howard Lutnick and former wrestling executive Linda McMahon, who previously led the Small Business Administration during Trump’s first term.

Lutnick said this year’s operation is “about as different as possible” from the effort in 2016, after Trump won his first term.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485434

>>485431
Keep sitting there doing nothing and resting on your purity

inb4 "NO UUUU NOU NOU"
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LMFAO the lib tears are delicious.

P Diddy suicide incoming
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 No.485436

Amazon’s Bezos congratulates Trump on ‘extraordinary political comeback’

American billionaire Jeff Bezos has congratulated Trump on his win.

“Big congratulations to our 45th and now 47th President on an extraordinary political comeback and decisive victory,” Bezos wrote on X. “No nation has bigger opportunities. Wishing @realDonaldTrump all success in leading and uniting the America we all love.”

Bezos, the founder of Amazon and owner of The Washington Post, faced intense criticism after he decided the newspaper would not make an endorsement in the presidential election, which critics saw as a sign he feared alienating Trump, should he be re-elected.

George W Bush congratulates Trump, says republic in good health

The former Republican president also has thanked “President Biden and Vice President Harris for their service to our country”.

Bush, who did not endorse Trump despite belonging to his Republican Party, said in a statement the election’s “strong turnout” shows “the health of our republic and the strength of our democratic institutions”.

“We join our fellow citizens in praying for the success of our new leaders at all levels of government. May God continue to bless our great country,” Bush said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/11/5/us-election-results-live-polls-shut-in-trump-harris-indiana-kentucky-race
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 No.485439

>>485404
Turns out liberals were the evil the whole time.
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 No.485442

>>482129
You are a fucking retard.
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 No.485443

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>>485439
We warned you bro.
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 No.485444

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Hardline ultra leftists right now.
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 No.485447

>>485444
You're thinking of Kamala supporters, who all live in suburbs where the world's touch is delayed.
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 No.485448

>>485447
I don't know if you are aware, anon, but copmala lost the election.
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 No.485449

>>485447
Trump supporters are also like this but much more
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 No.485450

>>485433
>Names Trump has floated for key positions include tech billionaire Elon Musk
This is the real problem imo. There's basically no difference between Trump and Kamala otherwise, but Musk belongs in jail.
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 No.485453

>>485444
>Hardline ultra leftists right now.
berniebros are not hardline ultra leftists, they just wanted healthcare. Trump won with exactly the demographic that democrats purged for supporting bernie: young, brown, working class joe rogan listeners. joe rogan literally supported bernie and then turned to trump because liberals shunned him
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 No.485481

>>485407
>That's not what this was about.
PA and MI were lost over Gaza and Neocons, the data shows that, but the massive shift of men to the right, the exact same demographics as well that voted for Bernie, is absolutely in large part due to the absolute inane Idpol and smug attitudes of shitlibs and just relentless shitting on white people and men while attacking all forms of masculinity, and the sheer overwhelming scale of LGBT/Tumblr gaslighting, establishment purity testing and pushing insane shit on children and through sports.
The fact .org is doubling down on "In fact we need to be more trans" really just shows how narcissistic troonies literally hijack and take over movements and make it all about themselves, literally no attempt at self reflection, somehow, men and 52% of women literally telling the left to go fuck itself and moving to the right, kicking down every even milquetoast left proposition across the country, means they actually want more LGBT purity testing and trans kids.
LGBT is just narcissism wrecking the movement at this point. They won all the major battles and keep slippery sloping because it's used by the Liberal elite to keep class politics out of the discussion and keep the left unpopular.
Like holy fuck, literally agreeing with policies of the USSR or China or Cuba, will literally get you banned off .Org and all your posts deleted if it goes against the troonie agenda, yet being a fucking Democrat cocksucking liberal is perfectly fine. It shows how much of the Western Left is purely just shitlibs. I had the retards on that site tell me that "Neoliberal LGBT politics will always be more popular among the working class than your communism". They don't even hide it anymore.
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 No.485487

>>485481
Most people literally do not care about transness.
I agree that it's not an asset that .org are neurotic about it, but that's because they're wasting time splitting the working class movement by being uptight about it. Also, .org is just run like dogshit in general… and more than anything, this is the left's problem, and it's the (working) right's problem, too; prioritizing culture war bullshit over anything else is ineffective. I agree on the principle that people should be allowed to live, including having prejudiced opinions, in a common workers' movement which focuses on shared class interest rather than prioritizing who you fuck or what you think about who others fuck.

The cardinal sin here is that the liberals (and current "left" sites like .org) agree to hash out the culture war on its own bullshit terms; meaning that they (mis)understand it as being the place of the left to eternally engage in the re-litigation of the medical & political status of some 0.01% of the population. Trans people, gay people, etc. are something I'm very familiar with; I've known people who fit these descriptions since I was young. I don't find it scary or intimidating or any grosser than anything else. I also don't see it as a total impasse if someone does find it scary or intimidating or gross; I think a lot of those people would probably rather not be asked their opinion on it, and yet, for the last 15-or-so-years, our media has been going around asking absolutely everyone what they think about something they didn't care at all about 20 years ago, making sure that the few people who were living under a rock when Jerry Springer aired in the '90s are asked what they think about men getting their balls lobbed off on purpose and taking estrogen to grow tits. It's not a question they need to be asked, and I think it's basically a media op to make people fight over something which doesn't actually affect them much; it's a moral panic for the right, and a "new civil rights movement" for the left to feel good about even though most trans rights had been won by the '90s.

The most potent antidote for this would be to focus on broad economic reform in workers' favor, and that would require the American left stop associating with the Democrats at all. The problem to me isn't one or another "side" in these culture war issues, it's that the debate itself is used as a smokescreen to keep liberal economics going.
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 No.485488

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Well that's depressing. Guess Kucinich wasn't as popular in his district as I was hoping.
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>>485487
It's not just LGBT though. For a while now, the shitlib left have been frankly, on the wrong side shittonnes of times. Constantly defending Lumpenprole who are attacking and abusing Proletarians simply because they are minority and god forbid someone from the public or police dares serves justice upon a psycho. They've pushed Gender bullshit onto Children with absolutely batshit logic and poor science, as well as the just freaky bullshit of forcing sex and fetish based politics on children to begin with. On top of this, it's clear that the Western Left have a clear fanatical outgroup bias, and absolutely despise the white working class, and would be more than happy to flood Western countries with thirdies to destroy "White culture", hence why the insane open borders politics, despite the left and organised labor historically being anti-Mass Migration under a Capitalist context.
All this shit reflects terribly on the left among working class people, it makes the left look like a nihilstic self-hating cult that is completely unhinged, filled with outcast weirdos and is obsessed with shitting all over normal peoples culture, heritage and life.
You say
>
The most potent antidote for this would be to focus on broad economic reform in workers' favor, and that would require the American left stop associating with the Democrats at all.
I completely agree, but the issue is that Shitlibs then instantly bring up Trans issues, Idpol shit, demand you condemn a cop for killing a hitman trying to kill people because the hitman was black, open borders and all sorts of Idpol/shitlib purity tests. I've seen this happen tonnes and tonnes of times before, For a recent example Bernie in 2020 was forced to drop a lot of his pro-worker positions for shitlib idpol ones. Any Leftist that tries to focus largely on economic issues and largely just stays out of the Idpol game, is instantly smeared as a "Brown-Red" and Strasserite by the entire Western Shitlib sphere.
This is why my position, for years now, that a true working class left, has to defeat the Democrats and current shitlib left, and then the true fight against the Right begins.
Also lets be real, a working class movement is never, ever going to be outgroup obsessed shitlibs. Baz at the factory is never going to be spouting "trans rights are human rights" and demanding white western culture be eliminated, it just ain't happening. Most likely a Working Class movement will be Socially Moderate (live and let live as long as it doesn't effect others/children) to center-right by modern shitlib standards.
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 No.485494

>>485453
I can attest that many Bernie Bros voted for Harris for some reason.

The Harris campaign was a trash fire that punched left and embraced the Cheneys and abortion obsessives as their model voter. They they have won with a left coalition? Maybe not, but they only have themselves to blame.

Trump isn't going to be a neo-nazi, nothing he said apart from a verbal shitpost about a general once suggests that.
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 No.485495

>>485449
Trump voters were basically the vast majority of white people in this country.

The election was along racial lines than gender or anything else as far as I can tell.

A good time to be white I guess.
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 No.485496

>The miserable aftermath of the 2024 presidential election has pitched Joe Biden and Harris loyalists against each other, with both sides blaming the other for the party’s poor performance with voters.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kamala-harris-staffers-furious-over-post-election-pep-talk-detached-from-reality/

Top 10 fights no one cares about or should really
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 No.485498

>>485496
>dailybeast
Sanitize that link anon.

https://archive.is/HfvpO
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 No.485500

>>485490
Go back to pol you tard
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 No.485504

>>485490
Liberals haven't been the "Left" since the mid 19th century. Their identarian politics do not challenge power and are plainly a project to crack solidarity among workers as a class.
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 No.485505

>>485500
Go back to whatever elitist echo chamber you came from, you tard.
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 No.485506

Regardless of Trump, I think we can expect a hard rightward shift in American politics going forward. Absorbing never-Trumper republicans into the Dem party was bad enough, but this electoral disaster might convince the Dems to abandon even the pretense of Leftish positions going forward. They've already been "drifting" rightwards for ages, but as we've seen since Occupy, BLM, the George Floyd riots, and everything in between, every time they opportunistically take up a leftist position they pay a price for it at the polls and end up recanting later. Even now they're squabbling over which are to blame for their defeat, whether it's because they weren't bloodthirsty enough towards Palestinians or that transsexuals need to be thrown to the wolves.

The more significant transformation we're witnessing might not be Trump retaking the White House, but that Democrats finally decide to stop half assing things and become even more reactionary than the Republicans. We're already seeing the inklings of it out in California. Especially if there's a Left resurgence during Trump's presidency, I think the Dems are going to go full, mask off fascist to "save the country."
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 No.485507

>>485505
Die choking on your daddy's little dick you polcuck whoreson.
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 No.485509

>>485506
They're blaming Gen Z males for Trump win

>>485490
>They've pushed Gender bullshit onto Children with absolutely batshit logic and poor science, as well as the just freaky bullshit of forcing sex and fetish based politics on children to begin with.

Where is this happening?
I've never seen or heard of this.
This sounds more like conservative hogwash.
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 No.485510

>>485506
Harris didn't really take up any left-wing positions though. I guess the minimum wage, but even Bush raised that.
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 No.485511

>>485506
Are you dense? I agree we are going to see a rightward shift, but, not because the dems took up leftwing stances. It's because leftwing stances are ideologically opposed to the democratic bourgious party and it's rich donors. The reason they keep loosing is because they don't give a leftist alternative to the right wing populism we have been seeing in the last 10 years. Harris didn't run on a single platform that was leftist and barely ran on one that was even close to centrist. All she had was half assed platitudes and like "Oh yeah weed" The day BEFORE the election. DEms are going to shift right because they are idiots not ebcause they were "to left" lmao.
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 No.485512

>>485509
>Where is this happening?
>I've never seen or heard of this.
Have you been living under a rock for the past 5 years?
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 No.485513

>>485509
You never heard of puberty blockers? That's not something made for adults.
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 No.485514

>>485513
Other than the fact the cases of this shit are marginal at best the only people that bring this shit up are insane freaks like you who care absolutely obessed with transhumanists. Just hire an escort, bro.
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 No.485515

>>485514
>the cases of this shit are marginal at best
That's irrelevant. It shouldn't be happening at all. And as long as it is defended by people who claim to be on the left then the left will always be at a disadvantage, since it gives rightoids powerful ammo against us.
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 No.485520

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>wake up
>shitlibs going totalenkristallnachtkrieg on uyghurs, spics, faggots, transfaggots, sanduyghurs, mudslimes, race traitor kikes, dicks, cunts & all the many other sorts of untermenschen who didn't vote the right way in this representative democracy of the last bastion of civilization still standing up to barbarian hordes from mosscow, nehheran & bigbenjing
Feels so fucking good, man. Just 1 more vote…
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 No.485523

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>>485520
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 No.485524

>>485520
These people have an inverted understanding of democracy.
Normally in a democracy votes are earned by representing the interests of the voters and by having political programs that benefit the voters.
For some in-explicable reason they seem to think that other people's votes are owed to them.

Instead of offering representation and all the material benefits that brings, they are defaulting to abuse, and giving them the vote brings no material benefits, it just turns off the abuse. That's a terrible deal.

Maybe make a Earn the vote meme.
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 No.485525

>>485520
rofl people still give a shit about Literally Wu? Not even remotely surprised to learn they're a huge right winger.
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 No.485529

>>485515
>That's irrelevant. It shouldn't be happening at all.
According to fucking who?

Look, we can have this conversation about pediatric medicine in general if we're going to have it. I was put on SSRIs when I was 6 to alter my behavior. It had easily as much (probably more) of a negative effect on me as going on anti-androgens at 13 and regretting it later would have, and I had even less of a choice in it than young transhumanists do, yet nobody fucking cares about child psychiatry and all the weird deadening meds they pump into children who are much younger than the few minors who get approved for HRT are. I think it's a conversation which needs to be had; I think we need to ask ourselves just when it is ok to put minors and children on life-altering medications, I think that's an important question to ask, but for some reason nobody gives a fuck about it until it's convenient for picking on transhumanists. Even if you disagree with the current medical consensus (which could be wrong!) on dysphoria, surely you can understand that the current medical consensus on juvenile psychiatric disorders in general is a much broader and more serious concern. If we were serious about all this, it would be a discussion about that and not about how gr0ss transhumanists r liek bad optics 4 the woke left!!!! xDDD

I think there are genuine questions which could be asked reasonably, but instead people just ignore the medicine and go for idpol-induced moral panics about it. And to be clear, it's not just being done from the "right" or whatever, the tendency of trans advocates to try to distance it, as a phenomenon, from dysphoria and "medicalization" is also fucking stupid. My position is that dysphoria is a mental disorder and as such it should be treated, and, to date, the least unsuccessful form of treatment has been stuff like HRT. Maybe in the future we'll develop a magic ball which cures dysphoria, schizophrenia, etc. without any pills or anything, but we don't have it today, and so it seems to me like the ethical debate about this stuff is most reasonably left up to doctors and patients and not people who just think it's ewwwwwy.
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 No.485532

>>485529
Two wrongs do not make a right, especially when the first wrong directly led to the next. They torture them as children and nerve staple them, then sell "transition" and the death cult as the "cure". It's Satanic and disgusting. I saw this assembly line and they were trying to push sexual depravity on me for a time. I resisted some of that, but I'm left with an addiction and fear for the rest of my life thanks to their "help". I can only rail against this. I didn't suffer anywhere near the worst, compared to men and women who had lives and were destroyed by this eugenics insanity.

It should be telling that this was advanced in lockstep starting in the mid 1990s and it was very, VERY militant - always the same eugenics stink that I learned from childhood. But, we don't get to talk about that. We're the crazy ones for wanting a life other than this degeneracy.
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 No.485533

>>485529
>the least unsuccessful form of treatment has been stuff like HRT
No, the least unsuccessful form of treatment is to stop treating it as a problem. The trans shit is entirely borne from trying to enforce gender stereotypes. If you just let people be who they are without trying to transition them into something else then there is no problem to solve.

Instead of "oh my kid isn't acting like a typical kid of their gender, let me give them meds and tell them they are in the wrong body" they should be encouraged to act however they want without trying to force them into a category. And this goes for adults as well, there is no need to take hormones and have surgery just because you don't fit the cultural stereotype of what a man or woman is.
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 No.485534

Anyway, this Mengele experiment doesn't end by some faggy "movement". It ends when we stop lying about what this has been, and once the lies in, humanity will see that they cannot coexist. That was destroyed willfully and unnecessarily. You might have salvaged something before 2000, to get off this death train we're on, but humans don't know anything else. They would be directionless. As long as people retreat to excuses to deny the war guilt of the eugenists, there is no progress. When the war guilt is placed at the center of what has happened in the world, the course of action - for an individual alone against the beast, and for any society where this can be different in some association - is very clear, and there is more to be done than all of mankind put together could accomplish any time soon.

Really though, this only really "goes away" long in the future, if humanity finds something in the world. It would have to be basically divine intervention at this point, and when that happens, it will be very different people living in very different conditions. Humanity's present condition is forsaken. There is nothing to be saved from it. But, we have no good reason to go on like this, and we have some concept of the world where we didn't do this, and don't have to do this any more. It will never be realized through any scheme or working humans today envision. We know easily what we could do differently in our interactions, but there's no way to change it when those interactions are regulated by this insane, Satanic ethos that can always insist on "correcting history". It is our interactions, rather than ourselves or the world generally speaking or any thing in it, that are the problem. We chose to be malicious and vampiric towards each other, because it was too much for humans to get over themselves. They hate us downtrodden "uglies" more than they ever hated their masters. That's what humans are. On a small scale, we change that every day just to be able to tolerate life, but the sadists have for the first time in history engineered a situation where they never, ever lose, and need only push the "win button" given to them by the institutions. That's what has been selected for. That is ALL these institutions could select for. There is no rearrangement of them that would have done much differently. The best that could have happened is that the way out could have more fruitful for the distant time in the future where it really can be different. We're doing the opposite - to ensure humanity will only be a roiling mass of struggle sessions and terror for no purpose other than propping up aristocracy and its smugness.

Personally I don't bother with saving humanity or believing humanity will ever be different. The people who will be different will probably not place any value on "human", and their concept of society and probably their concept of the political would be alien to ours. They probably wouldn't recognize present humans as anything more than animals - not out of a sense of superiority, but because they would be very alien to us. We really could step back and ask ourselves how bizarre humans are here and now, compared to their known history let alone in comparison to most of the universe which had no use for humanity's controlled insanity.
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 No.485535

>>485533
I have to tell you, letting people "be as they are" is contributing to the problem, because the situation they're in is ritual sacrifice. Every time I see "the trans" come up, it's loaded with eugenist insinuation and the same Satanic rot I've seen all of my life. But you try to explain this to people, and you come off as crazy, despite the obvious damage this is doing to the whole society, intended by the malicious to make sure history never changes.
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 No.485536

And really, it is absurd we're doing this about someone's gonads or sexual attraction, but that was never the point. Eugenics and protecting its power of insinuation and taboo was the point, and they have a million other vectors after this one is exhausted. If you ask the people who are "actually trans", none of their thinking is in line with this ritual sacrifice shit that is pushed in media. They do this because they reach an impasse in their lives where this is what they feel they are here to do, and often they're doing this "against the institutions". The institutions are not there to provide spiritual belonging or tell people what they are. That has always been a criminal overreach. In practice, when doctors were relatively sane, they were there to discourage any "transition treatment", because it was not considered a medical matter. Eugenism and the ideological tenets it must defend take center stage in this "debate", more than anything a man does if he feels like he wants to be a girl. The institutions cannot absolve themselves from what they set in motion. But, this is irrelevant because it has been known all along what this really is in all of its aspects. The trans will tell you their life story, but that was not admissible under the eugenic creed and its Satanic cosmology. Many of the trans are assholes who should not be indulged, but those who aren't usually will tell you their specific purposes, and none of them are about upholding some ideology or institutional approval. They're going to do what they want with their body with or without a doctor's approval. More men are self-castrating to rid themselves of something that will never be fulfilled and serves no purpose in the world to come, since it was clear from childhood they're never going to be allowed to marry or have anything ever again.
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 No.485537

>>485528
Kamala Harris is the first black female Yezhov.
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 No.485543

>>485509
>They're blaming Gen Z males for Trump win
They're currently flailing about and infighting over exactly who to blame and how much.

>>485510
A big part of Harris's problem is that she didn't take any stances at all.
>>485511
> I agree we are going to see a rightward shift, but, not because the dems took up leftwing stances.
That doesn't matter. Any stance to the right of Reagan, however vestigial, gets blamed for their electoral losses in virtually every election. Dem leadership wants the Republican vote, so those assumptions can't be questioned, and neither can the party blame its internal organs which produced this dismal outcome. The only place blame can safely fall is on the left, and right now as the Dems fight over who is responsible for their failure blame is falling on trans people, minorities, immigrants, and Palestinians, in spite of Harris very overtly signaling that the Dems had nothing for them.
>DEms are going to shift right because they are idiots
Great analysis, very insightful.
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 No.485544

>>485515
>no fellow leftist you don't understand the only way the left which I am definitely a part of can succeed is by adopting reactionary I mean reasonable stances which just so happen to be held by insane rightard culture warriors
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 No.485545

>>485529
Good post.

Minors getting breast implants vastly outnumber minors getting sex reassignment surgery. I remember years ago there was even a show on MTV about it. But of course all the hysteria is reserved for the transhumanist menace.
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 No.485547

>>485544
Except your stance is the one that is reactionary, and it just so happens to be held by shitlibs who aren't our friends either.
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 No.485548

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>>485544
>>485547
>reactionary
I'm starting to get the feeling that nobody knows what they are saying when they use this word lately… Which is exactly why they keep using it.
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 No.485551

>>485529
The issue is the medical and psychological field on this topic is extremely politicized. WPATH leaks have proven that, as well as systematic reviews through European/UK healthcare systems which show much of the research is unfounded/contradictory and all around trash tier.
Also lets be real, little kids do not fucking have Gender dysphoria, they have barely even formed a self-identity yet. We don't diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder or Personality Disorders in general really until adulthood because of this reason, yet we are meant to believe that kids have fully realized sense of gender identity? It's obvious horseshit.
Also I think it's very obvious a huge portion of this (probably 95%+) is Socialized due to it being a social contagion, and is misdiagnosis from Autism and Unstable Borderline Personality traits. It's not a shocker that Autism and BPD were heavily linked to the last "Dysphoria" social panic of the 1990s, anorexia.
The group that is most ignoring reality are the TRAs. Look at the reaction to the Cass Review and see the amount of cope and seething, while US still continues to ignore the most up to date science because it doesn't align with Troonie agendas.
It's not just troonie shit, but the sheer scale of LGBT and sex propaganda being pushed on people and as part of the general cultural zeitgeist. It's just fact it feels like mass gaslighting at this point, especially as young men have far worse life indicators than almost every other group, and are still routinely mocked and ignored and presented as riding on top of the "privilege" ladder.
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 No.485552

The most raped board on the internet.
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 No.485553

>>485551
>Also lets be real, little kids do not fucking have Gender dysphoria, they have barely even formed a self-identity yet. We don't diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder or Personality Disorders in general really until adulthood because of this reason, yet we are meant to believe that kids have fully realized sense of gender identity?

I dont approveof LGBT being forced on kids, but I dont approve of this paternalistic idea that kids dont have asense of self-identity.

Little kids also do know about gender. They know the differemce between man or woman.

Maybe not as nuaced as an adult, but still.
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 No.485554

>>483074

>The same interests still largely control both the DNC and GOP.

Tell the Gen X /Millennial progrrssives that on Reddit.
Theyre blaming Gen Z males for Trump win.

Also many Trump supporters believe hes anti-establishmemt
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 No.485561

>>485554
>Tell … Reddit.
No thanks.
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 No.485562

>>485553
It's also irrelevant because the majority of the cases are not "little kids." Giving little kids meds for behavioral stuff is way more common than giving them HRT, which usually is started in the teens and sometimes early puberty. There are very few cases earlier, and those are rightfully controversial, but they are not the typical case.
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 No.485563

https://x.com/GOPJesusUSA/status/1855505851395523015
I assume this is bullshit, but I'm still rooting for it because it's extremely funny.
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 No.485565

>>485551
You're so close yet so far.
This is an extension of the "autism epidemic" because too many parents and kids saw what that was and began resisting the Nazi-Germanic culture war, and calling for the rooting-out of their agentur. They have to lock down schools and deny children everything to secure the institutions against the damned of the Earth.

Why are you acting like the institutions are at all functional? THEY ARE KILLING YOU OFF, and laughing that you are trained to be afraid of your own shadow. Until you can hate the German, you will never be free from the German. Real freedom, not Germanic "freedom".
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 No.485567

>>485562
Its fucked up how psych meds are forced onto little kids to stoo them from running around just bevause teachers and parents wont let them play outside.
And then they wonder why their kids are failing in school and work.
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 No.485571

Trump appoints Elise Stefanik as ambassador to the UN

https://twitter.com/TrackAIPAC/status/1856040449468698726

WASHINGTON – Rep. Elise Stefanik will be appointed as the next U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump confirmed Monday.

Stefanik gained international notoriety for her questioning of university presidents during a House hearing on campus antisemitism, and is widely expected to prioritize the international body's criticism of Israel during her tenure as ambassador.

…

Stefanik was among the most vocal supporters of Trump inside the Republican Party leadership throughout the Biden administration, including at a time when it seemed the party would potentially shift away toward a new generation of leadership.

She was also among the House Republicans who refused to certify the results of the 2024 election, and has propagated antisemitic conspiracy theories related to population control that have been cited by white supremacists committing significant hate crimes.

While Trump will undoubtedly be highly combative toward the UN during his upcoming administration in a manner similar to his first, Nikki Haley, who was UN ambassador in his first term, will not be invited to join the incoming administration.

Stefanik's appointment is considered a bridge between the hawkish neoconservative wing of the GOP and its ascendant isolationist wing that is working to reject previous Trump appointees from the former category from returning to Trump's cabinet.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-11-11/ty-article/.premium/trump-taps-pro-israel-conspiracy-theorist-rep-elise-stefanik-for-u-s-ambassador-to-un/00000193-1b36-d053-a1bf-5ff7eb510000
https://archive.is/CoWZI
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 No.485573

>>485571
>Elise Stefanik
She's going to piss off everybody in the UN with dishonest weaponized antisemitism accusations, to such an extend, that they'll end up doing an official thing where they enshrine that linking Jews to Israel is antisemitic.
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 No.485589

>>485573
Never underestimate the UN's ability to not do anything about a problem.
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 No.485591

https://x.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1856507864229261635
52 Dems are already voting to support dictatorial Trump powers lol
And they don't even have the votes to pass it, but they're doing it anyway.
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 No.485751

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>"Nobody cares about LGBT shit/Transgender people, people support kids transitioning and funding gender operations!"
>Post-election polling of undecided voters put Troon shit as number 3 top reason they didn't vote Democrats
Leftypoldotorg and half the libtard wokies here on suicide watch.
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 No.485752

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>>485751
There've been multiple polls where it didn't even make the top 5. What poll are you even citing?
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 No.485753

Also, even if one poll showed that voters were highly motivated by a fear of coloreds stealing their white women at convenience stores for pagan voodoo rituals, that would not inherently mean that it wasn't still a load of made up reactionary idpol horseshit meant to distract attention away from real issues. Just because the oligarchs and demagogues want to treat the general public like retards doesn't mean everyone else needs to do the same thing. Nevertheless, I'm still interested, out of curiosity, to see who came out with this poll which allegedly validates the scary bogeyman of the day.
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 No.485755

>>485752
Why do Harris voters care about abortion and 'democracy', but not as much the economy or foreign policy?
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 No.485761

>>485755
Generally speaking if they're voting democrat it's because they're economically comfortable and also support the Democrats' fp because orange badman and vladolf putler are friends and want to do big evil together. "Fighting for access to abortion" is one of those feelgood talking points that the dnc has been selling to its base as essential to saving "our democracy" or whatever.
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 No.485762

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2024/11/17/cia-democrats-and-other-party-hawks-win-races-in-2024-election/

>In March 2018, Patrick Martin of the World Socialist Web Site published a political pamphlet entitled “The CIA Democrats.”

>In it, he wrote that “an extraordinary number of former intelligence and military operatives from the CIA, Pentagon, National Security Council and State Department” were “seeking nomination as Democratic candidates for Congress in the 2018 midterm elections.”

>This is a departure from the 1960s and 1970s when Democrats like George McGovern, Leo Ryan and Frank Church were against wars like Vietnam and sought to reign in the CIA.
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 No.485765

>>485751
I literally do not understand why the current left is taking up the mantle to defend liberal idpol. So often on the internet I see people attacking "the left" over culture issues that should have nothing to do with us.

Like DEI for example, instead of taking a reactionary approach and defending it reflexively just because conservatives are against it, we should be pointing out how that kind of investment power is entirely because of capitalism. I mean a lot of what they complain about is literally just capitalism, they are just too ignorant or afraid to name it. This is such an easy win and I will never understand why so many so-called leftists fumble it.
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 No.485766

>>485765
We're getting a lot of converts who were the late straggling holdouts on the crisis of ethics in journalism.
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 No.485785

>>485755
>Why do Harris voters care about abortion
Corporate brainwashing. Abortion is just a gravy train for the corpos who harvest organs and stemcells from the aborted baby corpses.

>>485761
>if they're voting democrat it's because they're economically comfortable
Or they are emulating people who are economically comfortable like movie stars and athletes.

>>485765
>Like DEI for example, instead of taking a reactionary approach and defending it reflexively just because conservatives are against it, we should be pointing out how that kind of investment power is entirely because of capitalism.
What's DEI got to do with capitalism? If there were no legally mandated diversity requirements then corporations would maximize profits by simply hiring the highest performing people white and asian males. DEI is inherently egalitarian and egalitarianism is leftist.
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 No.485788

>>485785
>What's DEI got to do with capitalism?
It's got everything to do with capitalism. At the very least it's an outgrowth of the corporate ass covering "sensitivity training" of the 90s. It's just there to a) paper over corporate wrongdoing with a veneer of hollow protressivism b) protect the company from accusations of discrimination and c) be a jobs program for pmc-aspirant minority grifters.

>DEI is inherently egalitarian and egalitarianism is leftist.
Its superficially egalitarian in the same way the US is superficially democratic. In both cases the purpose is ensuring bourgeois cultural domination.
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 No.485789

>>485785
>what does a capitalist investor using his capital to compel capitalist companies have to do with capitalism?
Gee, who knows?
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 No.485804

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>>485752
Blueprint for election loss looking at all the data. Troonie shit literally cost Dems the election.
>>485765
>over culture issues that should have nothing to do with us.
The Western Left is a Radical Liberal counter-culture built around Oppression Olympics. It has no basis in actual Marxism or Materialism, hence why even dotorg will actively ban anyone for having a Materialist/Marxist take on gender or idpol politics. No Marxist who adheres to a Materialist worldview would side with Troonie/Libshit Gender theory. It's literally hyper-post-modern metaphysical woo, that the brain and body are not connected and that a completely subjective "gender spirit" exists outside of biology or material reality. I mean dotorg literally think that "2 spirit" are an actual thing. People have multiple gendered spirits wtf.
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 No.485810

>>485804
Die mad you polcuck retard.
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 No.485812

>>485810
I'm not the one mad. Watching Idpol and Choo Choo shit blow up in the face of the left, and the data clearly showing that everyone hates insufferable "leftists" is great news for me as someone who genuinely holds that the Western Left are controlled opposition who exist to stop any serious mass appeal of actual serious Leftist materialist arguments or frameworks.
The data is clear, "progressives" cost Democrats the election and insane slippery sloping LGBT insanity was a top issue that cost working class swing voters. Kamala could not get the progressive stink off her and it turns out the general public doesn't have the memory of a goldfish when it came to obnoxious shitlibs pretending they hadn't spent the past decade gaslighting, cancelling and bullying everyone for not adhering to the latest Tumblr posts by 16 year olds who think people experience "gender euphoria" when they finally realise they are star gender or wolf gender or whatever the fuck.
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 No.485813

>>485804
Dems never even mentioned anything relating to troons retard get your fucking head out of your ass. What happened was republicans spread a bunch of misinformation and fear mongering about trans people and the retarded voter base in the united states (of which you are a part of) voted for the orange retard (by a small margin of nearly less than a million votes) You are a fucking pos bigot and if this were the 1950s you would be complaining about black people.
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 No.485820

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>>485813
People don't have the memory of a goldfish dude. People have seen for years the shitlib "progressive left" go utterly batshit on pushing insane gender nonsense that makes no sense and pushing identity politics literally everywhere while the Dems scrambled to bow down to every insane Troonie demand. The US currently is so far down the rabbit hole of TRA shit, that literally the top US medical associations literally ignore all the recent evidence and rollbacks in Europe that push against Troonie narratives and rhetoric. It doesn't also help as well that US standards are largely dictated by WPATH which is a completely politicised organization of outright TRAs who behind closed doors admit there isn't evidence for their positions but push their horseshit to be a "GOOD FUCKING PERSON".
>You are a fucking pos bigot and if this were the 1950s you would be complaining about black people.
Black Idpol also fucking up the left has been a long issue, but there is a massive chasim between Black Idpol, and the sheer retardation that was allowing Troons to spread their rampant misoginistic bile, Cluster B insanity and completely redfine sexual and gender norms with incoherent, contradictory woo while they strip Women and lesbians of rights and spaces, try mass groom children (don't even pretend egging isn't a major part of Trans Rights activism) and engage in crybullying to the level they could be in a head to head competition with Zionists for the most disingenious crybully fuckheads in Liberal spaces.
What happened the second Troons took power of Leftypol an explicity anti-idpol board that actually started to have a wider internet appeal? They turned it into a Hon-Hugbox that is obsessed with pushing retarded idpol and actively banned anyone and everyone who engages in actual materialism when it comes to social relations. Troonies do this literally everywhere because they know they genuinely have no arguments that actually hold up to scrutiny, so they rely entirely on crybullying and censorship.
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 No.485828

>>485820
You're reactionary transhumanist obsessed polcuck and you should aerate your skull with a shotgun.
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 No.485829

>>485812
>conflating democrats/liberals and "the left"
>clinging to one faulty democrat data point to push your anti trans slop

You're such a piece of shit. Nothing you've said is materialist or data driven. You're just a fucking transhumanist obsessed retard.

>everyone hates insufferable "leftists"
Your "data" doesn't say this at all. All your data says is that "kamala focused too much on cultural issues" was a more persuasive argument than whatever it was paired up against.

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

As a whole the takeaway is that the Democrats didn't actually provide the voters with an economic reason to vote for them, which is true. Internally the Biden administration was convinced that the economy is doing fine. Kamala really didn't offer any real concrete economic policies

Beyond that though it's clear you don't understand what Democrat policy towards trans people actually is, what purpose it serves, and why they're now trying to abandon it.

The Democrats and Republicans both use trans people and trans rights in the same way. They're a useful political smokescreen and that's basically it. For the Democrats it provides a veneer of progressivism to their neoliberal policies and for the Republicans it obfuscates their policies of class warfare. By being so unhinged about trans people you've revealed yourself to be a dupe taken in by their ploy, so great job.

The Democrats only provide lip service to trans rights and don't spend any significant amount of time or political capital advocating for them. You're retarded for thinking otherwise. Whenever they "do" have to advocate for trans people it's to the same end that they do for any other social issue, which is as a means to avoid talking about the real issue.

And that's really the same thing you're doing, focusing on trans shit instead of the real class issues at work here. For the voting population, they got demonstrably poorer between 2020 and 2024. The Democrats let popular policies like the enhanced child tax credit, covid era medicaid expansion, and enhanced unemployment insurance lapse. Prices are going up and wages aren't, and the Democrats ran a campaign like everything is fine.

As for the Democratic party itself, it's been at odds with its progressive wing for decades. Every election they blame their "underperformance" on the left of the party and shift further right. This shift has been accelerated by Trump as Republican politicians have fled the Republican party and joined with the Democrats, most prominently in this election being the Cheneys.

The Democrats are in a hard spot because they're in an electoral dead end. They can't offer working people real material gains because they'd never actually deliver on them since that conflicts with the interests of their donors. The pmc is already their voting base, the donor class is too small to matter electorally, and they can't meaningfully contest working class Republicans for a number of reasons. The only "viable" voting population they can try to compete for at this point is the "swing" voters that voted for Trump. Aka, the fascist petite bourgeoisie.

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/throw-the-groups-under-the-bus

Ruy calls them the "working class" but every one of his examples is a small business owner that is practically slavering at the idea of punishing homeless people and immigrants for impacting their precious businesses.

That's the root of the "trans issues cost us the election" shit. The Democrats want the fascist vote. The "data" you're citing has been crafted to support the same reactionary "we need to abandon minorities to appeal to the real working class" shit that's been percolating for the past decade. You weren't banned from the other board because of a transhumanist conspiracy to oppress your brave "materialist" take. You're just a garden variety reactionary that's been saying the same reactionary shit that's been polluting leftypol for years now.
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 No.485841

>>485820
>nose emote reactions

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