/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>wake up
>shitlibs going totalenkristallnachtkrieg on uyghurs, spics, faggots, transfaggots, sanduyghurs, mudslimes, race traitor kikes, dicks, cunts & all the many other sorts of untermenschen who didn't vote the right way in this representative democracy of the last bastion of civilization still standing up to barbarian hordes from mosscow, nehheran & bigbenjing
Feels so fucking good, man. Just 1 more vote…

>>485520
These people have an inverted understanding of democracy.
Normally in a democracy votes are earned by representing the interests of the voters and by having political programs that benefit the voters.
For some in-explicable reason they seem to think that other people's votes are owed to them.

Instead of offering representation and all the material benefits that brings, they are defaulting to abuse, and giving them the vote brings no material benefits, it just turns off the abuse. That's a terrible deal.

Maybe make a Earn the vote meme.

>>485520
rofl people still give a shit about Literally Wu? Not even remotely surprised to learn they're a huge right winger.

>>485515
>That's irrelevant. It shouldn't be happening at all.
According to fucking who?

Look, we can have this conversation about pediatric medicine in general if we're going to have it. I was put on SSRIs when I was 6 to alter my behavior. It had easily as much (probably more) of a negative effect on me as going on anti-androgens at 13 and regretting it later would have, and I had even less of a choice in it than young transhumanists do, yet nobody fucking cares about child psychiatry and all the weird deadening meds they pump into children who are much younger than the few minors who get approved for HRT are. I think it's a conversation which needs to be had; I think we need to ask ourselves just when it is ok to put minors and children on life-altering medications, I think that's an important question to ask, but for some reason nobody gives a fuck about it until it's convenient for picking on transhumanists. Even if you disagree with the current medical consensus (which could be wrong!) on dysphoria, surely you can understand that the current medical consensus on juvenile psychiatric disorders in general is a much broader and more serious concern. If we were serious about all this, it would be a discussion about that and not about how gr0ss transhumanists r liek bad optics 4 the woke left!!!! xDDD

I think there are genuine questions which could be asked reasonably, but instead people just ignore the medicine and go for idpol-induced moral panics about it. And to be clear, it's not just being done from the "right" or whatever, the tendency of trans advocates to try to distance it, as a phenomenon, from dysphoria and "medicalization" is also fucking stupid. My position is that dysphoria is a mental disorder and as such it should be treated, and, to date, the least unsuccessful form of treatment has been stuff like HRT. Maybe in the future we'll develop a magic ball which cures dysphoria, schizophrenia, etc. without any pills or anything, but we don't have it today, and so it seems to me like the ethical debate about this stuff is most reasonably left up to doctors and patients and not people who just think it's ewwwwwy.

>>485529
Two wrongs do not make a right, especially when the first wrong directly led to the next. They torture them as children and nerve staple them, then sell "transition" and the death cult as the "cure". It's Satanic and disgusting. I saw this assembly line and they were trying to push sexual depravity on me for a time. I resisted some of that, but I'm left with an addiction and fear for the rest of my life thanks to their "help". I can only rail against this. I didn't suffer anywhere near the worst, compared to men and women who had lives and were destroyed by this eugenics insanity.

It should be telling that this was advanced in lockstep starting in the mid 1990s and it was very, VERY militant - always the same eugenics stink that I learned from childhood. But, we don't get to talk about that. We're the crazy ones for wanting a life other than this degeneracy.

>>485529
>the least unsuccessful form of treatment has been stuff like HRT
No, the least unsuccessful form of treatment is to stop treating it as a problem. The trans shit is entirely borne from trying to enforce gender stereotypes. If you just let people be who they are without trying to transition them into something else then there is no problem to solve.

Instead of "oh my kid isn't acting like a typical kid of their gender, let me give them meds and tell them they are in the wrong body" they should be encouraged to act however they want without trying to force them into a category. And this goes for adults as well, there is no need to take hormones and have surgery just because you don't fit the cultural stereotype of what a man or woman is.

Anyway, this Mengele experiment doesn't end by some faggy "movement". It ends when we stop lying about what this has been, and once the lies in, humanity will see that they cannot coexist. That was destroyed willfully and unnecessarily. You might have salvaged something before 2000, to get off this death train we're on, but humans don't know anything else. They would be directionless. As long as people retreat to excuses to deny the war guilt of the eugenists, there is no progress. When the war guilt is placed at the center of what has happened in the world, the course of action - for an individual alone against the beast, and for any society where this can be different in some association - is very clear, and there is more to be done than all of mankind put together could accomplish any time soon.

Really though, this only really "goes away" long in the future, if humanity finds something in the world. It would have to be basically divine intervention at this point, and when that happens, it will be very different people living in very different conditions. Humanity's present condition is forsaken. There is nothing to be saved from it. But, we have no good reason to go on like this, and we have some concept of the world where we didn't do this, and don't have to do this any more. It will never be realized through any scheme or working humans today envision. We know easily what we could do differently in our interactions, but there's no way to change it when those interactions are regulated by this insane, Satanic ethos that can always insist on "correcting history". It is our interactions, rather than ourselves or the world generally speaking or any thing in it, that are the problem. We chose to be malicious and vampiric towards each other, because it was too much for humans to get over themselves. They hate us downtrodden "uglies" more than they ever hated their masters. That's what humans are. On a small scale, we change that every day just to be able to tolerate life, but the sadists have for the first time in history engineered a situation where they never, ever lose, and need only push the "win button" given to them by the institutions. That's what has been selected for. That is ALL these institutions could select for. There is no rearrangement of them that would have done much differently. The best that could have happened is that the way out could have more fruitful for the distant time in the future where it really can be different. We're doing the opposite - to ensure humanity will only be a roiling mass of struggle sessions and terror for no purpose other than propping up aristocracy and its smugness.

Personally I don't bother with saving humanity or believing humanity will ever be different. The people who will be different will probably not place any value on "human", and their concept of society and probably their concept of the political would be alien to ours. They probably wouldn't recognize present humans as anything more than animals - not out of a sense of superiority, but because they would be very alien to us. We really could step back and ask ourselves how bizarre humans are here and now, compared to their known history let alone in comparison to most of the universe which had no use for humanity's controlled insanity.

>>485533
I have to tell you, letting people "be as they are" is contributing to the problem, because the situation they're in is ritual sacrifice. Every time I see "the trans" come up, it's loaded with eugenist insinuation and the same Satanic rot I've seen all of my life. But you try to explain this to people, and you come off as crazy, despite the obvious damage this is doing to the whole society, intended by the malicious to make sure history never changes.

And really, it is absurd we're doing this about someone's gonads or sexual attraction, but that was never the point. Eugenics and protecting its power of insinuation and taboo was the point, and they have a million other vectors after this one is exhausted. If you ask the people who are "actually trans", none of their thinking is in line with this ritual sacrifice shit that is pushed in media. They do this because they reach an impasse in their lives where this is what they feel they are here to do, and often they're doing this "against the institutions". The institutions are not there to provide spiritual belonging or tell people what they are. That has always been a criminal overreach. In practice, when doctors were relatively sane, they were there to discourage any "transition treatment", because it was not considered a medical matter. Eugenism and the ideological tenets it must defend take center stage in this "debate", more than anything a man does if he feels like he wants to be a girl. The institutions cannot absolve themselves from what they set in motion. But, this is irrelevant because it has been known all along what this really is in all of its aspects. The trans will tell you their life story, but that was not admissible under the eugenic creed and its Satanic cosmology. Many of the trans are assholes who should not be indulged, but those who aren't usually will tell you their specific purposes, and none of them are about upholding some ideology or institutional approval. They're going to do what they want with their body with or without a doctor's approval. More men are self-castrating to rid themselves of something that will never be fulfilled and serves no purpose in the world to come, since it was clear from childhood they're never going to be allowed to marry or have anything ever again.

>>485528
Kamala Harris is the first black female Yezhov.

>>485509
>They're blaming Gen Z males for Trump win
They're currently flailing about and infighting over exactly who to blame and how much.

>>485510
A big part of Harris's problem is that she didn't take any stances at all.
>>485511
> I agree we are going to see a rightward shift, but, not because the dems took up leftwing stances.
That doesn't matter. Any stance to the right of Reagan, however vestigial, gets blamed for their electoral losses in virtually every election. Dem leadership wants the Republican vote, so those assumptions can't be questioned, and neither can the party blame its internal organs which produced this dismal outcome. The only place blame can safely fall is on the left, and right now as the Dems fight over who is responsible for their failure blame is falling on trans people, minorities, immigrants, and Palestinians, in spite of Harris very overtly signaling that the Dems had nothing for them.
>DEms are going to shift right because they are idiots
Great analysis, very insightful.

>>485529
Good post.

Minors getting breast implants vastly outnumber minors getting sex reassignment surgery. I remember years ago there was even a show on MTV about it. But of course all the hysteria is reserved for the transhumanist menace.

>>485544
Except your stance is the one that is reactionary, and it just so happens to be held by shitlibs who aren't our friends either.

>>485544
>>485547
>reactionary
I'm starting to get the feeling that nobody knows what they are saying when they use this word lately… Which is exactly why they keep using it.

>>485529
The issue is the medical and psychological field on this topic is extremely politicized. WPATH leaks have proven that, as well as systematic reviews through European/UK healthcare systems which show much of the research is unfounded/contradictory and all around trash tier.
Also lets be real, little kids do not fucking have Gender dysphoria, they have barely even formed a self-identity yet. We don't diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder or Personality Disorders in general really until adulthood because of this reason, yet we are meant to believe that kids have fully realized sense of gender identity? It's obvious horseshit.
Also I think it's very obvious a huge portion of this (probably 95%+) is Socialized due to it being a social contagion, and is misdiagnosis from Autism and Unstable Borderline Personality traits. It's not a shocker that Autism and BPD were heavily linked to the last "Dysphoria" social panic of the 1990s, anorexia.
The group that is most ignoring reality are the TRAs. Look at the reaction to the Cass Review and see the amount of cope and seething, while US still continues to ignore the most up to date science because it doesn't align with Troonie agendas.
It's not just troonie shit, but the sheer scale of LGBT and sex propaganda being pushed on people and as part of the general cultural zeitgeist. It's just fact it feels like mass gaslighting at this point, especially as young men have far worse life indicators than almost every other group, and are still routinely mocked and ignored and presented as riding on top of the "privilege" ladder.

The most raped board on the internet.

>>485551
>Also lets be real, little kids do not fucking have Gender dysphoria, they have barely even formed a self-identity yet. We don't diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder or Personality Disorders in general really until adulthood because of this reason, yet we are meant to believe that kids have fully realized sense of gender identity?

I dont approveof LGBT being forced on kids, but I dont approve of this paternalistic idea that kids dont have asense of self-identity.

Little kids also do know about gender. They know the differemce between man or woman.

Maybe not as nuaced as an adult, but still.

>>483074

>The same interests still largely control both the DNC and GOP.

Tell the Gen X /Millennial progrrssives that on Reddit.
Theyre blaming Gen Z males for Trump win.

Also many Trump supporters believe hes anti-establishmemt

>>485554
>Tell … Reddit.
No thanks.

>>485553
It's also irrelevant because the majority of the cases are not "little kids." Giving little kids meds for behavioral stuff is way more common than giving them HRT, which usually is started in the teens and sometimes early puberty. There are very few cases earlier, and those are rightfully controversial, but they are not the typical case.

https://x.com/GOPJesusUSA/status/1855505851395523015
I assume this is bullshit, but I'm still rooting for it because it's extremely funny.

>>485551
You're so close yet so far.
This is an extension of the "autism epidemic" because too many parents and kids saw what that was and began resisting the Nazi-Germanic culture war, and calling for the rooting-out of their agentur. They have to lock down schools and deny children everything to secure the institutions against the damned of the Earth.

Why are you acting like the institutions are at all functional? THEY ARE KILLING YOU OFF, and laughing that you are trained to be afraid of your own shadow. Until you can hate the German, you will never be free from the German. Real freedom, not Germanic "freedom".

>>485562
Its fucked up how psych meds are forced onto little kids to stoo them from running around just bevause teachers and parents wont let them play outside.
And then they wonder why their kids are failing in school and work.

Trump appoints Elise Stefanik as ambassador to the UN

https://twitter.com/TrackAIPAC/status/1856040449468698726

WASHINGTON – Rep. Elise Stefanik will be appointed as the next U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump confirmed Monday.

Stefanik gained international notoriety for her questioning of university presidents during a House hearing on campus antisemitism, and is widely expected to prioritize the international body's criticism of Israel during her tenure as ambassador.

…

Stefanik was among the most vocal supporters of Trump inside the Republican Party leadership throughout the Biden administration, including at a time when it seemed the party would potentially shift away toward a new generation of leadership.

She was also among the House Republicans who refused to certify the results of the 2024 election, and has propagated antisemitic conspiracy theories related to population control that have been cited by white supremacists committing significant hate crimes.

While Trump will undoubtedly be highly combative toward the UN during his upcoming administration in a manner similar to his first, Nikki Haley, who was UN ambassador in his first term, will not be invited to join the incoming administration.

Stefanik's appointment is considered a bridge between the hawkish neoconservative wing of the GOP and its ascendant isolationist wing that is working to reject previous Trump appointees from the former category from returning to Trump's cabinet.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2024-11-11/ty-article/.premium/trump-taps-pro-israel-conspiracy-theorist-rep-elise-stefanik-for-u-s-ambassador-to-un/00000193-1b36-d053-a1bf-5ff7eb510000
https://archive.is/CoWZI

>>485571
>Elise Stefanik
She's going to piss off everybody in the UN with dishonest weaponized antisemitism accusations, to such an extend, that they'll end up doing an official thing where they enshrine that linking Jews to Israel is antisemitic.

>>485573
Never underestimate the UN's ability to not do anything about a problem.

https://x.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1856507864229261635
52 Dems are already voting to support dictatorial Trump powers lol
And they don't even have the votes to pass it, but they're doing it anyway.

>"Nobody cares about LGBT shit/Transgender people, people support kids transitioning and funding gender operations!"
>Post-election polling of undecided voters put Troon shit as number 3 top reason they didn't vote Democrats
Leftypoldotorg and half the libtard wokies here on suicide watch.

>>485751
There've been multiple polls where it didn't even make the top 5. What poll are you even citing?

Also, even if one poll showed that voters were highly motivated by a fear of coloreds stealing their white women at convenience stores for pagan voodoo rituals, that would not inherently mean that it wasn't still a load of made up reactionary idpol horseshit meant to distract attention away from real issues. Just because the oligarchs and demagogues want to treat the general public like retards doesn't mean everyone else needs to do the same thing. Nevertheless, I'm still interested, out of curiosity, to see who came out with this poll which allegedly validates the scary bogeyman of the day.

>>485752
Why do Harris voters care about abortion and 'democracy', but not as much the economy or foreign policy?

>>485755
Generally speaking if they're voting democrat it's because they're economically comfortable and also support the Democrats' fp because orange badman and vladolf putler are friends and want to do big evil together. "Fighting for access to abortion" is one of those feelgood talking points that the dnc has been selling to its base as essential to saving "our democracy" or whatever.

>>485751
I literally do not understand why the current left is taking up the mantle to defend liberal idpol. So often on the internet I see people attacking "the left" over culture issues that should have nothing to do with us.

Like DEI for example, instead of taking a reactionary approach and defending it reflexively just because conservatives are against it, we should be pointing out how that kind of investment power is entirely because of capitalism. I mean a lot of what they complain about is literally just capitalism, they are just too ignorant or afraid to name it. This is such an easy win and I will never understand why so many so-called leftists fumble it.

>>485765
We're getting a lot of converts who were the late straggling holdouts on the crisis of ethics in journalism.

>>485755
>Why do Harris voters care about abortion
Corporate brainwashing. Abortion is just a gravy train for the corpos who harvest organs and stemcells from the aborted baby corpses.

>>485761
>if they're voting democrat it's because they're economically comfortable
Or they are emulating people who are economically comfortable like movie stars and athletes.

>>485765
>Like DEI for example, instead of taking a reactionary approach and defending it reflexively just because conservatives are against it, we should be pointing out how that kind of investment power is entirely because of capitalism.
What's DEI got to do with capitalism? If there were no legally mandated diversity requirements then corporations would maximize profits by simply hiring the highest performing people white and asian males. DEI is inherently egalitarian and egalitarianism is leftist.

>>485785
>What's DEI got to do with capitalism?
It's got everything to do with capitalism. At the very least it's an outgrowth of the corporate ass covering "sensitivity training" of the 90s. It's just there to a) paper over corporate wrongdoing with a veneer of hollow protressivism b) protect the company from accusations of discrimination and c) be a jobs program for pmc-aspirant minority grifters.

>DEI is inherently egalitarian and egalitarianism is leftist.
Its superficially egalitarian in the same way the US is superficially democratic. In both cases the purpose is ensuring bourgeois cultural domination.

>>485785
>what does a capitalist investor using his capital to compel capitalist companies have to do with capitalism?
Gee, who knows?

>>485752
Blueprint for election loss looking at all the data. Troonie shit literally cost Dems the election.
>>485765
>over culture issues that should have nothing to do with us.
The Western Left is a Radical Liberal counter-culture built around Oppression Olympics. It has no basis in actual Marxism or Materialism, hence why even dotorg will actively ban anyone for having a Materialist/Marxist take on gender or idpol politics. No Marxist who adheres to a Materialist worldview would side with Troonie/Libshit Gender theory. It's literally hyper-post-modern metaphysical woo, that the brain and body are not connected and that a completely subjective "gender spirit" exists outside of biology or material reality. I mean dotorg literally think that "2 spirit" are an actual thing. People have multiple gendered spirits wtf.

>>485804
Die mad you polcuck retard.

>>485810
I'm not the one mad. Watching Idpol and Choo Choo shit blow up in the face of the left, and the data clearly showing that everyone hates insufferable "leftists" is great news for me as someone who genuinely holds that the Western Left are controlled opposition who exist to stop any serious mass appeal of actual serious Leftist materialist arguments or frameworks.
The data is clear, "progressives" cost Democrats the election and insane slippery sloping LGBT insanity was a top issue that cost working class swing voters. Kamala could not get the progressive stink off her and it turns out the general public doesn't have the memory of a goldfish when it came to obnoxious shitlibs pretending they hadn't spent the past decade gaslighting, cancelling and bullying everyone for not adhering to the latest Tumblr posts by 16 year olds who think people experience "gender euphoria" when they finally realise they are star gender or wolf gender or whatever the fuck.

>>485804
Dems never even mentioned anything relating to troons retard get your fucking head out of your ass. What happened was republicans spread a bunch of misinformation and fear mongering about trans people and the retarded voter base in the united states (of which you are a part of) voted for the orange retard (by a small margin of nearly less than a million votes) You are a fucking pos bigot and if this were the 1950s you would be complaining about black people.

>>485813
People don't have the memory of a goldfish dude. People have seen for years the shitlib "progressive left" go utterly batshit on pushing insane gender nonsense that makes no sense and pushing identity politics literally everywhere while the Dems scrambled to bow down to every insane Troonie demand. The US currently is so far down the rabbit hole of TRA shit, that literally the top US medical associations literally ignore all the recent evidence and rollbacks in Europe that push against Troonie narratives and rhetoric. It doesn't also help as well that US standards are largely dictated by WPATH which is a completely politicised organization of outright TRAs who behind closed doors admit there isn't evidence for their positions but push their horseshit to be a "GOOD FUCKING PERSON".
>You are a fucking pos bigot and if this were the 1950s you would be complaining about black people.
Black Idpol also fucking up the left has been a long issue, but there is a massive chasim between Black Idpol, and the sheer retardation that was allowing Troons to spread their rampant misoginistic bile, Cluster B insanity and completely redfine sexual and gender norms with incoherent, contradictory woo while they strip Women and lesbians of rights and spaces, try mass groom children (don't even pretend egging isn't a major part of Trans Rights activism) and engage in crybullying to the level they could be in a head to head competition with Zionists for the most disingenious crybully fuckheads in Liberal spaces.
What happened the second Troons took power of Leftypol an explicity anti-idpol board that actually started to have a wider internet appeal? They turned it into a Hon-Hugbox that is obsessed with pushing retarded idpol and actively banned anyone and everyone who engages in actual materialism when it comes to social relations. Troonies do this literally everywhere because they know they genuinely have no arguments that actually hold up to scrutiny, so they rely entirely on crybullying and censorship.

>>485820
You're reactionary transhumanist obsessed polcuck and you should aerate your skull with a shotgun.

>>485812
>conflating democrats/liberals and "the left"
>clinging to one faulty democrat data point to push your anti trans slop

You're such a piece of shit. Nothing you've said is materialist or data driven. You're just a fucking transhumanist obsessed retard.

>everyone hates insufferable "leftists"
Your "data" doesn't say this at all. All your data says is that "kamala focused too much on cultural issues" was a more persuasive argument than whatever it was paired up against.

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

As a whole the takeaway is that the Democrats didn't actually provide the voters with an economic reason to vote for them, which is true. Internally the Biden administration was convinced that the economy is doing fine. Kamala really didn't offer any real concrete economic policies

Beyond that though it's clear you don't understand what Democrat policy towards trans people actually is, what purpose it serves, and why they're now trying to abandon it.

The Democrats and Republicans both use trans people and trans rights in the same way. They're a useful political smokescreen and that's basically it. For the Democrats it provides a veneer of progressivism to their neoliberal policies and for the Republicans it obfuscates their policies of class warfare. By being so unhinged about trans people you've revealed yourself to be a dupe taken in by their ploy, so great job.

The Democrats only provide lip service to trans rights and don't spend any significant amount of time or political capital advocating for them. You're retarded for thinking otherwise. Whenever they "do" have to advocate for trans people it's to the same end that they do for any other social issue, which is as a means to avoid talking about the real issue.

And that's really the same thing you're doing, focusing on trans shit instead of the real class issues at work here. For the voting population, they got demonstrably poorer between 2020 and 2024. The Democrats let popular policies like the enhanced child tax credit, covid era medicaid expansion, and enhanced unemployment insurance lapse. Prices are going up and wages aren't, and the Democrats ran a campaign like everything is fine.

As for the Democratic party itself, it's been at odds with its progressive wing for decades. Every election they blame their "underperformance" on the left of the party and shift further right. This shift has been accelerated by Trump as Republican politicians have fled the Republican party and joined with the Democrats, most prominently in this election being the Cheneys.

The Democrats are in a hard spot because they're in an electoral dead end. They can't offer working people real material gains because they'd never actually deliver on them since that conflicts with the interests of their donors. The pmc is already their voting base, the donor class is too small to matter electorally, and they can't meaningfully contest working class Republicans for a number of reasons. The only "viable" voting population they can try to compete for at this point is the "swing" voters that voted for Trump. Aka, the fascist petite bourgeoisie.

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/throw-the-groups-under-the-bus

Ruy calls them the "working class" but every one of his examples is a small business owner that is practically slavering at the idea of punishing homeless people and immigrants for impacting their precious businesses.

That's the root of the "trans issues cost us the election" shit. The Democrats want the fascist vote. The "data" you're citing has been crafted to support the same reactionary "we need to abandon minorities to appeal to the real working class" shit that's been percolating for the past decade. You weren't banned from the other board because of a transhumanist conspiracy to oppress your brave "materialist" take. You're just a garden variety reactionary that's been saying the same reactionary shit that's been polluting leftypol for years now.

>>485813
>You are a fucking pos bigot and if this were the 1950s you would be complaining about black people.

That's another thing about the framing of the "trans issue." The Harris campaign didn't really go out of its way for trans people, but one of the big "blue no matter who" talking points was that the dems were owed your vote for the sake of "vulnerable populations."

A lot of those non white "vulnerable population" or marginalized groups or whatever you want to call them are integral Dem constituencies. The Black caucus in South Carolina was integral to the DNC ratfucking Sanders in 2020 for example.

So the Dems want to abandon "cultural issues" that they believe make them unpopular to the petty booj Trump voter, but doing so means alienating large swathes of their voter base. So trans issues are used as the signifier for that "we want to move to the right" impetus without having to say "no more affirmative action" or "we're deporting your abuela."