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 No.157067

There is no external army here to shatter the state, and there never will be. The two oceans provide impenetrable insulation against invasion, to such an extent that a foreign invasion is not just farfetched, it is impossible. It would be easier to eat the sun than to move millions of troops and all their supplies across the vastness of the ocean to invade America. Even a basic understanding of military strategy and history would reveal this to be true. It simply cannot be done. Protected from foreign pressure, American capital has become a complete hegemon, able to loot the entire world at will and use the superprofits generated from imperialism both to prevent any dissent by buying off the otherwise restive sections of the proletariat and to build a state apparatus that maintains an iron grip on the populace through an inescapable surveillance and propaganda panopticon. There will be and can be no mass movement in America like there was in Russia and China until America, as in, the central government, is either seriously diminished or destroyed. Since that cannot happen through an external force, it must be done internally
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 No.157068

>There will be and can be no mass movement in America like there was in Russia and China until America, as in, the central government, is either seriously diminished or destroyed.
I'm not sure if I agree with this. We have to build a mass movement regardless.

I agree with the premise that the defeat of the American empire will (or should) be internal - the alternative is a catastrophic world war which the US loses, and which is probably followed by American breakaway states and smaller civil wars. In my view, as a pigdog disgusting American, the aim of revolutionaries here should be to organize relentlessly and take over the organs of the American state while they still exist with a broad workers' movement which will then kick the corporate/MIC influences (and, especially, Zionists) out of power, release suppressed information about US state activities, and reindustrialize the US while reducing the military to a strong national guard… which will probably have to fend off coup (and re-coup) attempts by mercenaries and disgruntled former proxies and foreign-based US military officers. It's ideal that the state be seized before the final stages of its hollowing out have been entirely completed, although I'm obviously very pessimistic about whether we can achieve that it's absolutely what we should be striving for.
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 No.157070

People are way too afraid of the military and the militarized police in America to do anything serious.

Also until the USA is cut off from the influx of wealth generated by imperialism (ie they get kicked out of the countries they exploit) I think they will remain strong.
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 No.157071

>>157070
>People are way too afraid of the military and the militarized police in America to do anything serious.
Wrong.

>Also until the USA is cut off from the influx of wealth generated by imperialism (ie they get kicked out of the countries they exploit) I think they will remain strong.

That sounds like an excuse to me.
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 No.157072

>>157071
>Wrong.
Okay well I've heard this enough times in the wild that I think it's a common sentiment. You haven't heard people say something to that effect?

>That sounds like an excuse to me.

It's not an excuse, material conditions have to change for social change to happen. Other than some natural disaster or war (which ITT we are ruling out because OP said it won't come to America), I can't think of any catalyst for something to happen.

On the other hand if the influx of profits from exploited countries is cut off, I think that will create conditions for systemic change.
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 No.157079

The only way to conquer the American people is by controlling the media.civil war doesn't make sense in the us because the divide isn't regional, it's urban vs rural which happens in every state. at most you would have mini conflicts followed by new normal stability
The american identity is basically 'I'll do anything for money, it doesn't have to be much' case in point: both parties. They really don't stand for anything other than 'fuck you, I've got mine'. While the posible exceptions are a few renegades here and there it's too late, the entire society is poisoned with this idea that everything is for sale.

The difference between a prostitute and a whore is that a whore will sell its priciples and the US is second only to Russia in how many of it's citizens are whores.
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 No.157094

unfortunately, western """leftists""" are the saddest motherfuckers on the planet and will come up with any bullshit retard excuse to not do anything ever

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