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 No.12345

The regime that is occupying the UK continues it's terror campaign against encryption privacy and democracy
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/07/uk-government-very-close-eroding-encryption-worldwide

TLDR:

They are trying to make impossible legal requirements like
<privacy respecting surveillance
<secure encryption with a backdoor
Which makes about as much sense as a freedom preserving prison.

This invasive democracy destroying "internet regulation bill" has not yet passed through the institutions, so if you're living in Bongland go yell at politicians ( more than 80% of UK citizens are on your side) Maybe that'll do something.

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But I'm making this thread for another reason.
I think that strong encryption that can't practically be bypassed is not negotiable for 2 reasons.
1) People have a right to personal-use computers that have perfect secrecy, the same way people have perfect secrecy for their thoughts.
2) People have a right to make, exchange and run any program they want on their personal-use computers. the same way people have a right to think and exchange any thought they want.

To me this looks like a criminal conspiracy, because even by the low bar of bourgeois freedoms digital-privacy(1) and digital-self-determination(2) are not controversial by any degree.

The effect of such a law would be the undermining of legal processes whereby the legal system would get abused by criminal actors to attack people who exercise their rights to privacy and self-determination.

The questions are
Since as societies we can't abandon secure and private communications because that is indispensable for democracy, how can people resist this terror once institutions go bad ?
Is there deniable encryption ?
And where is this coming from, who are the criminal actors pushing for this ?
Are we fighting the political battles the wrong way by making general political appeals ?
Should we be focusing our political energies against these specific criminal threat-actors instead ?
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 No.12355

>>12345 (noice)
>a freedom preserving prison
Uygha, you live in one. It enforces your freedom to sell away your freedom or to buy someone else's freedom, further enabling it as a social norm through your propaganda of the deed.
>how can people resist this terror once institutions go bad ?
"Only with the butts of the rifles it is possible to reach the doors of elites".
>And where is this coming from, who are the criminal actors pushing for this ?
Big guys are about to enter the 3rd World Countercrisis Special Pacificational Operation against the global threat of CommieFaschieProletPedoTerrorism.
So for the maximum mobilization against this long dead & forgotten Spectre of antihuman nature they want every bit of power over the society they can get. Masks off.
>Are we fighting the political battles the wrong way by making general political appeals ?
Bruh it's easier to appeal to Yiddishe Mame than to globohomo bourgs whose entire existence is tied to the ever falling rate of profit which requires more & more exploitation of labor power. So yes, reformcopers are about to be thrown into the trashbin of history.
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 No.12357

>>12355
>It enforces your freedom to sell away your freedom or to buy someone else's freedom, further enabling it as a social norm through your propaganda of the deed.
Buying and selling of freedoms ?
I don't get it.

>"Only with the butts of the rifles it is possible to reach the doors of elites".
It sure looks like they are trying to figure how far they can go until they make people do that.
But what are the practical ways to continue using privacy respecting and secure communication, when these criminals try to impose surveillance terrorism.
What about deniable encryption ?

>Big guys are about to enter the 3rd World Countercrisis
Never seen anybody use those terms, what were the firs 2 World Countercrisis ?

Special Pacificational Operation against the global threat of CommieFaschieProletPedoTerrorism.
The fucking ideological madness, inverting everything.

Communism and Fascism are polar opposites
Fascism is total political domination by the bourgeoisie to the point where they abandon bourgeois democracy.
Communism is the full democratic self determination of the proletariat.

Surveillance recording every child 24/7, that's got to be the most extreme form of mass-producing child pornography
While Privacy respecting technology that protects children from getting recorded is currently one of the best countermeasures.

Surveillance is terrorism because it will be used to terrorize people. Terrorism is politics through fear, making everybody feel watched is perhaps the most pernicious form of terrorism.

>So for the maximum mobilization against this long dead & forgotten Spectre of antihuman nature they want every bit of power over the society they can get. Masks off
I don't understand why the ruling class is trying to go for the means of political control instead of the means of production. It feels like a strange historical reversal. The Capitalists came in to power because they had better means of production and that gave them more political power then the feudal aristocracy that had all the means of political control. Why are the capitalists about to repeat the same thing that got the predecessor ruling class wrecked ?
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 No.12394

tangentially related to the thread theme, France is now trying to fuck with browser software

>The French government is working on a law that could threaten the free internet. The so-called SREN bill would require web browsers to block websites in the browsers themselves.
https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/campaigns/sign-our-petition-to-stop-france-from-forcing-browsers-like-mozillas-firefox-to-censor-websites/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37158710

They want to force browsers to accept a website block-list from the french authorities. The excuse this time for getting the foot in the door is "combating scam and phishing sites". On a technical level this is pure retardation. Not just for sneaking in censorship into browsers but they're basically building an api that scamm and fishing sites can use to test whether their sites work.
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 No.12416

>>12345
Just get deeper into cryto nerd shit. Use single use OS with an encrypted drive and external /boot partition. Store your cryto keys in the registers instead of RAM. Soldier RAM into place anyway. Do not memorize a 256-bit passphrase. Instead, derive it every time through a series of complicated steps that only you are privy to and which can easily be broken by moving things around the house. When the police inevitably search your home for your massive collection of state secrets (State employee asses on fax machine), simply state that because law enforcement moved the state of your home, the passphrase is no longer able to be derived, and that the data is simply lost. Be that fucking guy. The state, will, of course, torture you for the passphrase, but you will simply be unable to give them access. Your local secretary's sweet faxed ass will stay safe forever, only to linger in your thoughts.
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 No.12417

>>12416
>learn about computers.
>get tortured by the state.
oh bother, like in school where the bullies beat up the intellectual kids.

Isn't there a way to do quasi invisible encryption that looks like random unused data ?
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 No.12418

>>12416
You are framing this the wrong way.

>the police inevitably search your home
if they do it for unjust reasons they are just criminals breaking and entering
>simply state that because law enforcement moved the state of your home, the passphrase is no longer able to be derived, and that the data is simply lost.
Your personal computer is basically part of your body because people now have a digital self and the computer is the brain of that digital self. There can be no legal justification to take personal computers. That is not just theft, that is assault.
>The state, will, of course, torture you
torture is the work of terror organizations, and warrants the death-penalty.

Attempting to make unjust laws with the purpose of intimidating people from protecting their privacy is a form of political terror, that is a crime as well.

Maybe this insanity has to be fixed on the political level.
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 No.12428

>>12417
>Isn't there a way to do quasi invisible encryption that looks like random unused data ?
There are plausible deniability tactics that you can use, but they're so niche and so restricted, that you'll basically have a machine for single use. Not only that, but if the bait system doesn't look like it's used, then they're also going to suspect something. If it's serious enough for you to go that far for using systems like this, it's serious enough for them to torture you for information.
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 No.12429

>>12418
I don't disagree with you, but in practice, everything the state could do to a citizen for the retrieval of data they deem to be important for national security will be gotten this way. Of course, I don't delve much into the cryptonerd space because, while it is a lot of fun to think about how cool it would be for the NSA/FBI/CIA to be unable to break your system, chances are that the worst that's going to happen to it is that it gets stolen and sold for the hardware that carries it, and not for the actual information you have inside. The most valuable files I have are .rmvb files with anime from 2004. Now that was real fansubbing.
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 No.12430

>>12428
So you seem to be saying. That we need a political movement to create deterrence against torture. Like fore example punishing torture with the death penalty. And a similar, albeit less severe, logic needs to be applied to political intimidation. We need to take the barbaric option from the table.

>There are plausible deniability tactics that you can use, but they're so niche
I think that unbreakable encryption is basically a requirement for privacy. However not all attacks against privacy are obvious and straight forward. The attempt to make effective privacy a legal liability, is the use of law-fare against privacy. While that is crazy illegal, and requires a political correction. It would be prudent to harden cryptographic privacy to withstand more than just technical deciphering attacks.

You say that making encryption invisible is not practical enough, idk. maybe that's a technical feature that could be enhanced to make it more practical. However if that's not possible are there other options ? For example can you make an encrypted vault that spits out decoy data if a coerced cipher key is used to decode it. My priority here is about rendering coercion moot. In this example with the decoy data, the utility would be to make it futile to beat a cypher-key out of people in order to render such barbarism impotent.
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 No.12431

>>12429
>the retrieval of data they deem to be important for national security
Maybe that's also a lie. Maybe there is no such important data.
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 No.12432

>>12345s
>Since as societies we can't abandon secure and private communications because that is indispensable for democracy, how can people resist this terror once institutions go bad ?
Steganography
>Is there deniable encryption ?
Yes, steganography
>And where is this coming from, who are the criminal actors pushing for this ?
The intelligence community and fascists amongst the political class
>Are we fighting the political battles the wrong way by making general political appeals ?
That's only a tool in the toolkit
>Should we be focusing our political energies against these specific criminal threat-actors instead ?
The threat is so expansive that it would require toppling the state to uproot completely.

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