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 No.489028

I’m a longtime 4chan/8chan user and my worldview has definitely been shaped by that. Recently been browsing the other site out of curiosity and it’s clear we both have issues with Israel which I’m pleasantly surprised by.
my question is where and how far down the rabbit hole do we actually align with each other?
Are your guys problems with Israel mainly due to the modern day Israel and their atrocities against the muzzies or do you guys see jews for the weasels they are? Do you see the difference between the Israelites of the Bible and the Talmud worshippers of today? Do you acknowledge the khazarian and/or Canaanite connections? What are your views on the holocaust, true, exaggerated, complete BS? What are your actual issues with nazi’s and facism? Because the first thing that comes to mind for me would be that you all worship transhumanists but even to that I would say they are basically brainwashed into it by jews. Like the “Nazi book burnings” which was all transhumanist propaganda by jewish doctors in Germany at the time running the largest sex change clinic in the world.
I’m genuinely curious this is the first issue I’ve know us to be able to find common ground on and I’d like to learn more about your ideas regarding it. And yes I will admit I do align with facism, or at least my own interpretation of it

Hoping for a real dialogue if you’ll indulge me
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 No.489029

>What are your actual issues with nazi’s and facism?
That they're really just stooges for the ruling capitalist class, who call them in to enforce their system violently when the system is in crisis. For an excellent example of this, see >>488990
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 No.489030

>>489028
>Are your guys problems with Israel mainly due to the modern day Israel and their atrocities against the muzzies or do you guys see jews for the weasels they are?
This question is predicated on a false premise that the IDF has only been committing atrocities against Muslims. They've been murdering Christians and atheists all over the place too. They've bombed multiple churches in Palestine and Lebanon in the past year alone, and HTS (effectively a US/Israel proxy) has targeted Alawites in Syria.
Even if Israel only targeted Muslims (or Christians, or Jews, or anyone) with their genocidal onslaught, we would oppose it, and we would oppose the endless US government military and financial support for it.

We oppose all Zionism and all Zionists. We have no particular problem with Jews, although many of us take issue with religion in general. I'm not one of those, though.

>Do you see the difference between the Israelites of the Bible and the Talmud worshippers of today?

This is another kind of iffy question.
Even if it wasn't for the creation of Talmudic Judaism, "Israel" the modern nation state and ancient semi-historical Israel are clearly not the same thing. Zionist ideology was made up by European Jews and European/American Protestants, and the amount of lineage of the former to ancient Israel is disputable. The Jews, Samaritans, Christians, and Muslims who remained in Palestine likely all are more directly descended from "ancient Israelites" than present day Ashkenazim are, as most of the Christians and Muslims in present day "Israel" and Palestine are descended from Jewish and Samaritan converts.

Obviously the Talmud also didn't exist in Biblical times. The Tanakh as we know it today didn't even exist, and most of those stories are fables and were intended to be read as fables even in ancient times. The Talmud was an even later addition than the Tanakh, and even strict followers of the Torah, who think the Talmud is a heretical shitrag, have changed since ancient times. The archetypal ultra-orthodox Jew today dressing in the fashions of old eastern European nobility obviously isn't a practice which came directly out of the ancient Levant. Over time, religion always adapts with its practitioners.

>Do you acknowledge the khazarian and/or Canaanite connections?

Not speaking for anyone else, but I'm not sure what you're referencing here.
AFAIK the general historical consensus is that the ancient Israelites were the Canaanites, or were a direct successor society to the Canaanites, and that Exodus (and also the commandment to kill all the Canaanites) were basically made up origin myths where they pretended that they came in from Egypt and killed all of their own ancestors.
The stuff with the Khazars seems to be fuzzier from what I've heard, but I know that there were some Khazarian nobility who converted at some point and a number of present day European Jews are allegedly descending from those converts and members of Khazarian society who converted following the Khazarian nobility. I think it's unclear just how many Jews are descended from that, but it's an interesting fact.

>What are your views on the holocaust, true, exaggerated, complete BS?

True.
It is nevertheless also used as a propaganda tool, and it's extremely obvious how cynical this usage is, and how monopolized this usage has been by Zionists. The Holocaust also constituted the largest mass-killing of gypsies in history, for instance; but there clearly is no gypsy equivalent to the Zionist propaganda machine, because while Europeans are constantly guilt-tripped for the mass-killing of Jews, it's still pretty socially acceptable in Europe to completely and unapologetically despise Roma. Likewise, Russians, Slavs, and Socialists - all killed en masse by the Nazis, and yet it's perfectly acceptable for Europeans to hate them. The Holocaust occurred (and I'm not interested in "debating" this), but the idea that the Jews are the super special extra-victims and no one else was ever genocided is deranged propaganda pushed by Zionists.

>What are your actual issues with nazi’s and facism?

Bad. Zionists are today's Nazis in terms of actual institutional power to do those sorts of things.

>Because the first thing that comes to mind for me would be that you all worship transhumanists but even to that I would say they are basically brainwashed into it by jews.

It's a silly strawman made up to mess with you. I don't personally have any problem with transhumanists, but constantly getting people to fight over dumb personal identity shit like that is a cynical tactic by the state. There've been people doing gay shit since the dawn of time, being obsessed with it one way or another predictably divides workers and sends them into pointless witch hunts and time wasted on defense against unnecessary infighting. Some of us like transhumanists, some don't, none of us worship them.

>And yes I will admit I do align with facism, or at least my own interpretation of it

No shit lol
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 No.489031

Anchoring the state of Israel in a religious background is a mistake anyway. Most of the original Zionists were actually atheists.
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 No.489032

>>489028
> my question is where and how far down the rabbit hole do we actually align with each other?
I don't know what your goals are.

>Are your guys problems with Israel mainly due to the modern day Israel and their atrocities against the muzzies or do you guys see jews for the weasels they are?


Our problems with Isreal are:
-the mass death and destruction they cause in their region
-their funding of religious fundamentalists that function like mercenary armies
-their big lobby that interferes in the politics of mainly western countries (but also some none western ones), for example their lobby was instrumental in sabotaging the election of Jeremy Corbin in the UK, and more recently they have been instrumental in attacking civil liberties in the US and EU.
-Israel has been using Gaza as a testing ground for really depraved people-repression instruments and tactics, and some of that stuff gets out and is then used else-where. Basically we do not want "sadism in a test tube" to be done anywhere, we do not need that type of "innovation".

Ok when we call people "Jew" or "Muslim", we're just being polite, using the labels and identities they have given them selves. However when we think about stuff and try to model reality, we do not use any of those categories, beyond lifestyle superficiality: like if you have a Muslim group in your population you need to have production for their religious carpets, Christians want necklaces with a cross, Jews want religious hats and so on.

We do have a mental category for untrustworthy people (weasels) but we base that on demonstrated character on an individual basis, not group affiliation.

We don't associate Jews with Israel, we reject the Zionist premise, the people living in Israel are called Israeli.

>Do you see the difference between the Israelites of the Bible and the Talmud worshippers of today? Do you acknowledge the khazarian and/or Canaanite connections?

I have not investigated this, so i don't have an opinion.

>What are your views on the holocaust, true, exaggerated, complete BS?

True, the historic evidence is overwhelming.

>What are your actual issues with nazi’s and facism?

Fascism is national suicide for the benefit of imperial capital, look what they did with Germany last century, and more recently Ukraine, countries get wrecked.

>Because the first thing that comes to mind for me would be that you all worship transhumanists but even to that I would say they are basically brainwashed into it by jews. Like the “Nazi book burnings” which was all transhumanist propaganda by jewish doctors in Germany at the time running the largest sex change clinic in the world.

We don't worship period, and the book burnings definitely happened, they photographed them selves doing it, you can find hundreds of photos with an image search.

>I’m genuinely curious this is the first issue I’ve know us to be able to find common ground on and I’d like to learn more about your ideas regarding it. And yes I will admit I do align with facism, or at least my own interpretation of it

Yeah, it's very unlikely that we would have the same definition of fascism. You haven't really said anything about what your political and economic goals are, so it's hard to say if there is common ground.
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 No.489036

>>489028
>my question is where and how far down the rabbit hole do we actually align with each other?
Only surface-level stuff (anti-Zionism, anti-wokeness, anti-consoomerism, anti-globalism) unless it's the NazBols.
>Are your guys problems with Israel mainly due to the modern day Israel and their atrocities against the muzzies
Kinda but the Palestinian population is religiously diverse as has been pointed out.
>do you guys see jews for the weasels they are?
Again, nobody except the NazBols thinks that here.
>Do you see the difference between the Israelites of the Bible and the Talmud worshippers of today?
Yes.
>What are your views on the holocaust, true, exaggerated, complete BS?
They're true.
>What are your actual issues with nazi’s and facism?
They're reactionaries who scapegoat other nations and ethnicities for their own country's problems, thus distracting the workers from the real roots of their problems while killing innocent people and cracking down on unions, worker rights and civil liberties.
>you all worship transhumanists
Sorry, what?
>Nazi book burnings
>transhumanist propaganda
>by jewish doctors
Wtf am I reading?

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