/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Divide-and-rule politics is a deliberate choice. You stir up bullshit "controversies" about some identity-coded scapegoat and then have the peasants fight over bathrooms or blame all their problems on Mexicans. It's easier to rob them that way. If you pay close attention, the two bourgeois "factions" play the same game - like what the fuck was "trans visibility" supposed to accomplish? By the 2010s, the US had already litigated this "issue" decades prior, and almost everyone in the US knew what a transsexual was. It's difficult to believe that the "liberal" side of the MSM and duopoly politics had good intentions when it kept insisting that absolutely everyone must pay attention and have a political opinion on the medical status of like 0.3% of the US population. There's clearly an apparatus at play here intent on keeping people fighting over bullshit, and the GOPers are just the more blatant and egregious bullshitters.

The GOP politicians are freaks, frauds, demagogues, and hypocrites - even many in their base understand this, at least on some level, but they make the same stupid gamble that the DNC base does. They both cling to these smaller issues or false hope of something better or even just petty vindictiveness, but things will only get worse. Of course Trump's a liar, an atheist, a sleazebag, and a crook - but at least penis go peepee poopoo in the penis room and vagina go peepee poopoo in the vagina room. Or maybe it was always like that but at least now I can say "retard" and not get yelled at. Although for the outright Fascists, there's a lot to rejoice - what Fascist cares if the Fuhrer is a pervert or a liar? The perversion and lies are deliberate, justified by the pursuit of power. Fascists won't necessarily tell you this, but they understand it. The pretexts aren't dumb simply because those using them are dumb, they're dumb because it doesn't matter how stupid the lie is if all libs are going to do is waste time debunking it.

There's surely some true believers that get elevated by their donors. But by and large the thing to understand about politicians is that they're professional liars. That's how you get ahead in electoral politics. It doesn't really matter what believe in deep down, as long as you're good at lying your ass off you can climb the ladder.

They sort of believe their own propaganda, but mostly it's just grifting to protect their wealth, friends wealth, bank accounts etc. If any group is "Class conscious" it's elite conservatives.
I spent a lot of time driving every day for my job, we're talking driving 7+ hours a day, and I would listen on purpose to a lot of Conservative talk radio. The shit they spout is truly retarded, like actually braindread shit that a 8 year old could easily rip apart, they would deny basic reality, the logic would not make any fucking coherent sense, black was white, white was black.
Now how I know they were bullshitting is that everything they said, every retarded position they took, was always pushing an agenda that benefited a section of the Capitalists that were alinged with Right wing political parties. They would often flip positions, if suddenly a Corporation that obviously was backing rightoid parties, suddenly changed markets, say Fox cable was backing Republicans, the hosts would all be railing hard against the internet, fiber optic connections etc "Fiber optic is a waste of money, who needs faster than dialup?" because Fox, is a copper cable based media company, but Fox eventually rolls out it's own fiber options and streaming service suddenly the hosts "The Liberals want to stop you from having faster internet, why did they not roll out fiber faster? Fox has connected more than 100,000 homes in just 1 month!". Yes they were that brazen, yes their retarded call in audience would lap all this brazen backflipping and elite bootlicking up.
Look at how "true believer" rightoids are actually treated, they are usually punted to shit little political parties like Libertarian party, this is because the elite know that proper true believer conservative positions would nuke the economy (and a lot of the privileges they enjoy like no loads refused gay sex orgies or whatever) overnight.
The conservative base are mostly just braindead spiteful retards who think being a vindictive piece of shit hurting "the other side" is politics, hence why even Outdoor hunting conservative nationalist types have no problem defunding state forests and national parks and selling them to Indian logging firms, because it pisses off Liberals and Environmentalists.

>>488833
>They sort of believe their own propaganda
The reason I'm asking is how opportunistic Putin's propaganda is. It tries to reconcile the Soviet past with the capitalist present, that's very weird. He's not even pretending that he isn't anti-communist (Russian propaganda still says Solzhenitsin is a great author).

I think both Trump and Putin's most earnest belief is their anti-communism, this I do believe is genuine. Very genuine.

>>488824
I don't understand why you would group these 2 heads of states into the same category.

>>488837
Putin doesn't like Communism, most Russians view the USSR positively simply because it was a stable time where arguably Russia was at it's peak in the 50s-70s.
Stalin is viewed very positively because of WW2, if WW2 didn't happen, and Stalin died of natural causes with his legacy being a bunch of cool architecture, he would be shit on relentlessly by Putin and United Russia like Lenin is.
Of course Politicians have real political beliefs, but most rightoid politicans are in the end "pragmatists" in that they are pragmatic in filling their, their families and friends bank accounts with cash.

>>488837
Also reminder as much as they jerk off to Stalin (for WW2), the Russian elite jerk off FAR more to peak 1990s Neolib Shock Doctrine architect Yegor Gaidar more. The most prestigeous political event in Russia is literally called the Gaidar forum.
Also Russian depicitions almost always of Old Bolshevik stuff/Russian Revolution stuff in media presents the Bolsheviks as cartoon villian tier moustache twirling evil devilish bad guys and the Whites/Romanovs as "gud guys who made tactical mistakes and had slightly incompetent leadership". Russia is a white-counter-revolutionary country as much as they fly Soviet WW2 unit and victory banners.

>>488851
You've nailed it pretty much, anon.

>>488854
You know, when I told my Russian father that I sympathize with communism he bursted at me with such disgust and hatred that I thought he was legit going to murder me or call the cops. I think that's enough proof for me that Russian propaganda is violently anti-communist.

>>488856
this feels like astro-turf, the personal anecdote style is a text-book propaganda formula.

I'm giving this a 3% chance of being true.

>>488851
Stalin is also well regarded for having a really strong economy doing 14% growth, not just for winning WW2.

I don't have much insight into Russian internal politics but from what i heard is that generally the 1990s are viewed as a catastrophic disaster and the current Russian president made his initial political career unfucking the Russian economy by switching it from neo-liberal shock-doctrine capitalism to state capitalism.

The motivations or the rulers of Russia isn't really clear. If your estimate was really true, and all they care about is personal enrichment and nepotism, how come they did not just become yet another puppet regime for the US empire ?

>>488860
>this feels like astro-turf
Anon, it doesn't matter what you think. I know I'm 100% correct but I do not expect stupid gaijins to understand me since this is practically impossible because of the infowar going on. Cassandra truth and so on.

>>488861
>the current Russian president made his initial political career unfucking the Russian economy by switching it from neo-liberal shock-doctrine capitalism to state capitalism
No, he switched it into paternalistic conservatism with a corrupt welfare state that is quickly getting replaced by insurance companies and private business.

>>488863
I dunno anon, the Russian war economy is really looking an awful lot like state capitalism again. Just like the state capitalism of the German Empire.

>>488864
>I dunno anon, the Russian war economy is really looking an awful lot like state capitalism again.
Mixed economy is not "state capitalism." Russia has a very strong private sector. Sure, there are welfare and the public sector but they're so fucked and underfunded that many people would rather pay money to private businesses. Many public buildings that aren't in major cities like Moscow or Saint-Petersburg or whatever weren't renovated in decades, their paint literally wears off. But living in a major city is expensive as fuck so not that different from the US. People are forced to go into a giant dept just to own an apartment (again, not that different from the US).

>>488865 (me)
I mean, I'm not saying it's Mordor or whatever. It's not LDPR. But still, Russia has paternalistic conservatism, poor public sector and expensive housing. It is what it is.