/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Meaning what exactly?

>>486436
Maybe this could be the beginning of something. It is worrisome that H5N1 crossed the species barrier twice already: bird to cow and cow to human. But as long as it doesn't easily do Human to human transmission. You don't have to panic, burn all the cattle and wrap your self in cellophane just yet.

But at the moment there's other stuff to worry about. That Russian general that was assassinated a few days ago, was known for having discovered Biolabs in Ukraine. There appears to be a link to the US as well.

There were a lot of rumors about them trying to make racist viruses that specifically target Russians. Obviously viruses do not care about categories that humans made up so that's impossible to do. However it doesn't mean they didn't cook up a nasty bug none the less. Deluded racialists who think they would not be affected might end up releasing it.

And the fact that they killed the guy who was raising the alarm, gives pause for thought.

flood detected post discarded ( ;m;)

>>486446
>Dr. Rick Bright, an immunologist, vaccine researcher and director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority from 2016 to 2020, recently said:

< It’s so critical that the US government is being as transparent as they can right now, overly transparent, and sharing all of these sequences and all of this data so the world can look at it and make their own risk assessments and start making their own vaccine if they need to in their own countries instead of waiting for the United States to say what’s good and what’s bad…

>Already by April (the H5N1 outbreak in cattle was belatedly announced on March 25), three national veterinary organizations had written a letter to Secretary Vilsack demanding increased transparency and data sharing, saying:

< One way communication will not be effective in uniting regulatory and industry partners to mitigate and control the outbreak. Please encourage open communication, solicit feedback in the creation of guidance, allow access to data and results and continue to allow this coalition unfettered access to our APHIS and Field Staff.

>Vilsack followed the USDA playbook and moved at a snail’s pace even to respond to the letter. It took a month for his reply to arrive, a virtual eternity when it comes to controlling the rapid spread of novel pathogenic viruses. In his reply, he made no promises, merely saying that he was “absolutely committed to timely, accurate, ongoing and coordinated communications about this situation.”

>Even state departments of agriculture, no enemy of the dairy industry, expressed concern with the USDA response. The National Association of State Departments of Agriculture sent Vilsack a letter in June demanding that the outbreak be treated primarily as an issue of animal health and that the USDA increase data collection and sharing on the outbreak.

>Vilsack was quoted as saying on a call with state veterinarians that he was unconcerned by the outbreak and that “It’s just going to burn itself out.” This statement shows complete ignorance about how novel infectious diseases work and a complete lack of concern for the welfare of both animals and humans.

<Growing dangers of a bird flu pandemic under Trump

>Needless to say, humanity would be devastated by a new pandemic sparked by the ongoing H5N1 panzootic. Historically, bird flu has had a roughly 50 percent fatality rate among humans since it was first detected in 1997.

>The dairy industry and its servant, the USDA, are putting the entire world at risk in order to protect profits. The industry exports over $24 billion of produce every year, which is worth more to them than the tens or even hundreds of millions of lives that could be lost in an H5N1 pandemic.

>Of course, the incoming Trump administration offers no hope for improving the situation. The best thing one could say about Trump’s nominee, Brooke Rollins, for USDA is that she does not have extensive ties to the dairy industry. Typical of nearly all of Trump’s nominees, however, she was chosen for her loyalty to Trump and not her expertise.

>The sum total of Rollins’ agriculture expertise is growing up on a farm, graduating with a Bachelor of Science degree in agriculture development from Texas A&M in 1994 and “having a good relationship” with the Texas Farm Bureau.

>Her real credentials that led to her receiving a nomination in the incoming Trump administration was serving in his first administration and founding the America First Policy Institute. During Trump’s first term, Rollins was director of the US Domestic Policy Council, where she was instrumental in Trump’s suppression of protests after the police murder of George Floyd.

>The only agricultural policy put forward by the America First Policy Institute thus far has been to fearmonger about Chinese ownership of agricultural land. The institute drafted model legislation passed by 12 states to ban Chinese ownership of agricultural land. A report by Cornell University debunked the alleged threat.

>Meanwhile, Louisiana reported its first presumptive positive case of H5N1. The patient required hospitalization, and confirmatory testing by the CDC is ongoing. In California, another dairy farmworker was infected, and a child who drank raw milk there is officially listed as a “suspected case.”

>The danger of the virus spreading through raw milk is amplified by Trump’s nomination of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (RFK, Jr.) whose charlatanry extends to advocating vigorously for legalizing the sale and distribution of raw milk. As secretary of Health and Human Services, he could potentially lift a rule banning its sale across state lines.

>Scientifically, raw milk has none of the additional benefits over pasteurized milk that its proponents falsely claim. And it has extraordinary dangers for transmitting a wide variety of pathogens, including H5N1. One outbreak of Salmonella alone, caused by raw milk consumption, sickened at least 171 people from September 2023 to March 2024.

>Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said: “This outbreak could be many times larger than the 171 cases reported.”

>Notably, the company that sold the contaminated raw milk, Raw Farm, was visited by RFK Jr. prior to his withdrawal as a candidate for the presidency. The CEO of Raw Farm, Mark McAfee, has applied for an advisory role with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), something he was reportedly encouraged to do by the RFK Jr. team working on the transition to the new Trump administration.

>If he were brought on as an adviser to the FDA, as is characteristic to so many individuals associated with Trump, it would amount to putting the fox in charge of the henhouse. The FDA has an enforcement action active against Raw Farm in the Eastern District of California.

>The ongoing, rapid spread of H5N1 throughout the United States, infecting people, cattle, poultry, house cats, marine mammals, and of course wild birds, is an object lesson for workers on the inability of capitalism to contain deadly pathogens and prevent future pandemics. The ruling class, as it claws back workers’ gains on wages, pensions, health benefits, and working hours and conditions, is also clawing back the gains in life expectancy seen in the 20th century that resulted from public health innovations and practice.

>To preserve and extend life, workers must organize their own independent program, free from the influence of the two capitalist parties and their subservient trade union bureaucracies. Only then can they overthrow capitalism and replace it with socialism, a social system that prioritizes human life, including the prevention and elimination of future pandemics.

>>486437
Basically there's an incredibly virulent and deadly infection percolating within and around the dairy industry and nothing is really being done to stop it. If left unchecked it's likely there's only a matter of time between us a pandemic which makes corona look like an outbreak of the sniffles.

>>486436
>>486438
>>486446
>>486447
>>486451
Am I gonna die?

>>486467
>Am I gonna die?
Eventually, yes.

Last time i checked was maybe 3 years ago, i could remember incorrectly or what i'm about to say could be out of date:

H5N1 affects youthful and vital people a lot harsher than old or sickly people. It's not transmitted through the air, only through direct contact (infectiousness is low) and it's rather deadly (virality is high). About half the people who got it died.

That means it's not a particularly good candidate for a pandemic.

If a virus knocks out people who are fit, while it leaves weaker people relatively unaffected, that means it chose the least effective spreader-subjects, Grandma likely isn't going to a big concert where she can infect hundreds of people. Without areal transmission, behavioral counter measures are easy. And by killing off half the people, it cuts off many transmission vectors.

All that said, it could mutate, viruses do that a lot. Then all bets are off. If a mutation causes a "gain of function" that enables transmission through air, civilization could be fucked.

There are standard procedures that should nip this in the butt. People who work in these industries should have good protective gear, which is comfortable enough that it actually gets used. I'm guessing suits with portable cooling units, factory farms tend to be rather warm places. It's probably sufficient to ban raw products, you know cook the eggs, milk, meats and so on before selling it. And have veterinary doctors screen animals before they get transferred to prevent cross contamination. We are getting to a point where prevention has become much more economically viable and hatching viruses is less of a sanitary negligence anymore and it's slowly turning into a kind of bioterrorism.

Yeah the FDC has been tracking the spread of this for a while. Several hundred people in California have been infected. though, the thing is there is currently, or, was, no proof that it was being spread from PERSON to PERSON contact, but, that could be changing and it could be changing just in time for vaccine denialist kook to get in and chair the HHC!!! There is one patient that could have an adapted form of Bird flu that passes person to person now. I mean it's just a matter of time. All it has to do is branch off with certain protiens and it can spread human to human…. It's sad but the only thing you can do is pray he doesn't get approved, but, Elon is running around making demands of the fucking government now. I think this is going to be a disaster if we keep going down the path we are going.

https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/bird-flu-spread-cattle-poultry-pandemic-cdc/

>Keith Poulsen’s jaw dropped when farmers showed him images on their cellphones at the World Dairy Expo in Wisconsin in October. A livestock veterinarian at the University of Wisconsin, Poulsen had seen sick cows before, with their noses dripping and udders slack.

>But the scale of the farmers’ efforts to treat the sick cows stunned him. They showed videos of systems they built to hydrate hundreds of cattle at once. In 14-hour shifts, dairy workers pumped gallons of electrolyte-rich fluids into ailing cows through metal tubes inserted into the esophagus.

>“It was like watching a field hospital on an active battlefront treating hundreds of wounded soldiers,” he said.

>Nearly a year into the first outbreak of the bird flu among cattle, the virus shows no sign of slowing. The U.S. government failed to eliminate the virus on dairy farms when it was confined to a handful of states, by quickly identifying infected cows and taking measures to keep their infections from spreading. Now at least 875 herds across 16 states have tested positive.

>Experts say they have lost faith in the government’s ability to contain the outbreak.

>“We are in a terrible situation and going into a worse situation,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada. “I don’t know if the bird flu will become a pandemic, but if it does, we are screwed.”

>To understand how the bird flu got out of hand, KFF Health News interviewed nearly 70 government officials, farmers and farmworkers, and researchers with expertise in virology, pandemics, veterinary medicine, and more.

>Together with emails obtained from local health departments through public records requests, this investigation revealed key problems, including deference to the farm industry, eroded public health budgets, neglect for the safety of agriculture workers, and the sluggish pace of federal interventions.

>Case in point: The U.S. Department of Agriculture this month announced a federal order to test milk nationwide. Researchers welcomed the news but said it should have happened months ago — before the virus was so entrenched.

>“It’s disheartening to see so many of the same failures that emerged during the covid-19 crisis reemerge,” said Tom Bollyky, director of the Global Health Program at the Council on Foreign Relations.

>Far more bird flu damage is inevitable, but the extent of it will be left to the Trump administration and Mother Nature. Already, the USDA has funneled more than $1.7 billion into tamping down the bird flu on poultry farms since 2022, which includes reimbursing farmers who’ve had to cull their flocks, and more than $430 million into combating the bird flu on dairy farms. In coming years, the bird flu may cost billions of dollars more in expenses and losses. Dairy industry experts say the virus kills roughly 2% to 5% of infected dairy cows and reduces a herd’s milk production by about 20%.

>Worse, the outbreak poses the threat of a pandemic. More than 60 people in the U.S. have been infected, mainly by cows or poultry, but cases could skyrocket if the virus evolves to spread efficiently from person to person. And the recent news of a person critically ill in Louisiana with the bird flu shows that the virus can be dangerous.

>Just a few mutations could allow the bird flu to spread between people. Because viruses mutate within human and animal bodies, each infection is like a pull of a slot machine lever.

>“Even if there’s only a 5% chance of a bird flu pandemic happening, we’re talking about a pandemic that probably looks like 2020 or worse,” said Tom Peacock, a bird flu researcher at the Pirbright Institute in the United Kingdom, referring to covid. “The U.S. knows the risk but hasn’t done anything to slow this down,” he added.

>Beyond the bird flu, the federal government’s handling of the outbreak reveals cracks in the U.S. health security system that would allow other risky new pathogens to take root. “This virus may not be the one that takes off,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, director of the emerging diseases group at the World Health Organization. “But this is a real fire exercise right now, and it demonstrates what needs to be improved.”

>It may have been a grackle, a goose, or some other wild bird that infected a cow in northern Texas. In February, the state’s dairy farmers took note when cows stopped making milk. They worked alongside veterinarians to figure out why. In less than two months, veterinary researchers identified the highly pathogenic H5N1 bird flu virus as the culprit.

>Long listed among pathogens with pandemic potential, the bird flu’s unprecedented spread among cows marked a worrying shift. It had evolved to thrive in animals that are more like people biologically than birds.

>After the USDA announced the dairy outbreak on March 25, control shifted from farmers, veterinarians, and local officials to state and federal agencies. Collaboration disintegrated almost immediately.

>Farmers worried the government might block their milk sales or even demand sick cows be killed, as poultry are, said Kay Russo, a livestock veterinarian in Fort Collins, Colorado.

>Instead, Russo and other veterinarians said, they were dismayed by inaction. The USDA didn’t respond to their urgent requests to support studies on dairy farms — and for money and confidentiality policies to protect farmers from financial loss if they agreed to test animals.

>The USDA announced that it would conduct studies itself. But researchers grew anxious as weeks passed without results. “Probably the biggest mistake from the USDA was not involving the boots-on-the-ground veterinarians,” Russo said.

>Will Clement, a USDA senior adviser for communications, said in an email: “Since first learning of H5N1 in dairy cattle in late March 2024, USDA has worked swiftly and diligently to assess the prevalence of the virus in U.S. dairy herds.” The agency provided research funds to state and national animal health labs beginning in April, he added.

>The USDA didn’t require lactating cows to be tested before interstate travel until April 29. By then, the outbreak had spread to eight other states. Farmers often move cattle across great distances, for calving in one place, raising in warm, dry climates, and milking in cooler ones. Analyses of the virus’s genes implied that it spread between cows rather than repeatedly jumping from birds into herds.

>Milking equipment was a likely source of infection, and there were hints of other possibilities, such as through the air as cows coughed or in droplets on objects, like work boots. But not enough data had been collected to know how exactly it was happening. Many farmers declined to test their herds, despite an announcement of funds to compensate them for lost milk production in May.

>“There is a fear within the dairy farmer community that if they become officially listed as an affected farm, they may lose their milk market,” said Jamie Jonker, chief science officer at the National Milk Producers Federation, an organization that represents dairy farmers. To his knowledge, he added, this hasn’t happened.

>Speculation filled knowledge gaps. Zach Riley, head of the Colorado Livestock Association, said he suspected that wild birds may be spreading the virus to herds across the country, despite scientific data suggesting otherwise. Riley said farmers were considering whether to install “floppy inflatable men you see outside of car dealerships” to ward off the birds.

>Advisories from agriculture departments to farmers were somewhat speculative, too. Officials recommended biosecurity measures such as disinfecting equipment and limiting visitors. As the virus kept spreading throughout the summer, USDA senior official Eric Deeble said at a press briefing, “The response is adequate.”

>The USDA, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Food and Drug Administration presented a united front at these briefings, calling it a “One Health” approach. In reality, agriculture agencies took the lead.

>This was explicit in an email from a local health department in Colorado to the county’s commissioners. “The State is treating this primarily as an agriculture issue (rightly so) and the public health part is secondary,” wrote Jason Chessher, public health director in Weld County, Colorado. The state’s leading agriculture county, Weld’s livestock and poultry industry produces about $1.9 billion in sales each year.

Patchy Surveillance

>In July, the bird flu spread from dairies in Colorado to poultry farms. To contain it, two poultry operations employed about 650 temporary workers — Spanish-speaking immigrants as young as 15 — to cull flocks. Inside hot barns, they caught infected birds, gassed them with carbon dioxide, and disposed of the carcasses. Many did the hazardous job without goggles, face masks, and gloves.

>By the time Colorado’s health department asked if workers felt sick, five women and four men had been infected. They all had red, swollen eyes — conjunctivitis — and several had such symptoms as fevers, body aches, and nausea.

>State health departments posted online notices offering farms protective gear, but dairy workers in several states told KFF Health News that they had none. They also hadn’t heard about the bird flu, never mind tests for it.

>Studies in Colorado, Michigan, and Texas would later show that bird flu cases had gone under the radar. In one analysis, eight dairy workers who hadn’t been tested — 7% of those studied — had antibodies against the virus, a sign that they had been infected.

>Missed cases made it impossible to determine how the virus jumped into people and whether it was growing more infectious or dangerous. “I have been distressed and depressed by the lack of epidemiologic data and the lack of surveillance,” said Nicole Lurie, an executive director at the international organization the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, who served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response in the Obama administration.

>Citing “insufficient data,” the British government raised its assessment of the risk posed by the U.S. dairy outbreak in July from three to four on a six-tier scale.

>Virologists around the world said they were flabbergasted by how poorly the United States was tracking the situation. “You are surrounded by highly pathogenic viruses in the wild and in farm animals,” said Marion Koopmans, head of virology at Erasmus Medical Center in the Netherlands. “If three months from now we are at the start of the pandemic, it is nobody’s surprise.”

>Although the bird flu is not yet spreading swiftly between people, a shift in that direction could cause immense suffering. The CDC has repeatedly described the cases among farmworkers this year as mild — they weren’t hospitalized. But that doesn’t mean symptoms are a breeze, or that the virus can’t cause worse.

>“It does not look pleasant,” wrote Sean Roberts, an emergency services specialist at the Tulare County, California, health department in an email to colleagues in May. He described photographs of an infected dairy worker in another state: “Apparently, the conjunctivitis that this is causing is not a mild one, but rather ruptured blood vessels and bleeding conjunctiva.”

>Over the past 30 years, half of around 900 people diagnosed with bird flu around the world have died. Even if the case fatality rate is much lower for this strain of the bird flu, covid showed how devastating a 1% death rate can be when a virus spreads easily.

>Like other cases around the world, the person now hospitalized with the bird flu in Louisiana appears to have gotten the virus directly from birds. After the case was announced, the CDC released a statement saying, “A sporadic case of severe H5N1 bird flu illness in a person is not unexpected.”

‘The Cows Are More Valuable Than Us’

>Local health officials were trying hard to track infections, according to hundreds of emails from county health departments in five states. But their efforts were stymied. Even if farmers reported infected herds to the USDA and agriculture agencies told health departments where the infected cows were, health officials had to rely on farm owners for access.

>“The agriculture community has dictated the rules of engagement from the start,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. “That was a big mistake.”

>Some farmers told health officials not to visit and declined to monitor their employees for signs of sickness. Sending workers to clinics for testing could leave them shorthanded when cattle needed care. “Producer refuses to send workers to Sunrise [clinic] to get tested since they’re too busy. He has pinkeye, too,” said an email from the Weld, Colorado, health department.

>“We know of 386 persons exposed — but we know this is far from the total,” said an email from a public health specialist to officials at Tulare’s health department recounting a call with state health officials. “Employers do not want to run this through worker’s compensation. Workers are hesitant to get tested due to cost,” she wrote.

>Jennifer Morse, medical director of the Mid-Michigan District Health Department, said local health officials have been hesitant to apply pressure after the backlash many faced at the peak of covid. Describing the 19 rural counties she serves as “very minimal-government-minded,” she said, “if you try to work against them, it will not go well.”

>Rural health departments are also stretched thin. Organizations that specialize in outreach to farmworkers offered to assist health officials early in the outbreak, but months passed without contracts or funding. During the first years of covid, lagging government funds for outreach to farmworkers and other historically marginalized groups led to a disproportionate toll of the disease among people of color.

>Kevin Griffis, director of communications at the CDC, said the agency worked with the National Center for Farmworker Health throughout the summer “to reach every farmworker impacted by H5N1.” But Bethany Boggess Alcauter, the center’s director of public health programs, said it didn’t receive a CDC grant for bird flu outreach until October, to the tune of $4 million. Before then, she said, the group had very limited funds for the task. “We are certainly not reaching ‘every farmworker,’” she added.

>Farmworker advocates also pressed the CDC for money to offset workers’ financial concerns about testing, including paying for medical care, sick leave, and the risk of being fired. This amounted to an offer of $75 each. “Outreach is clearly not a huge priority,” Boggess said. “I hear over and over from workers, ‘The cows are more valuable than us.’”

>The USDA has so far put more than $2.1 billion into reimbursing poultry and dairy farmers for losses due to the bird flu and other measures to control the spread on farms. Federal agencies have also put $292 million into developing and stockpiling bird flu vaccines for animals and people. In a controversial decision, the CDC has advised against offering the ones on hand to farmworkers.

>“If you want to keep this from becoming a human pandemic, you focus on protecting farmworkers, since that’s the most likely way that this will enter the human population,” said Peg Seminario, an occupational health researcher in Bethesda, Maryland. “The fact that this isn’t happening drives me crazy.”

>Nirav Shah, principal deputy director of the CDC, said the agency aims to keep workers safe. “Widespread awareness does take time,” he said. “And that’s the work we’re committed to doing.”

>As President-elect Donald Trump comes into office in January, farmworkers may be even less protected. Trump’s pledge of mass deportations will have repercussions whether they happen or not, said Tania Pacheco-Werner, director of the Central Valley Health Policy Institute in California.

>Many dairy and poultry workers are living in the U.S. without authorization or on temporary visas linked to their employers. Such precarity made people less willing to see doctors about covid symptoms or complain about unsafe working conditions in 2020. Pacheco-Werner said, “Mass deportation is an astronomical challenge for public health.”

Not ‘Immaculate Conception’

>A switch flipped in September among experts who study pandemics as national security threats. A patient in Missouri had the bird flu, and no one knew why. “Evidence points to this being a one-off case,” Shah said at a briefing with journalists. About a month later, the agency revealed it was not.

>Antibody tests found that a person who lived with the patient had been infected, too. The CDC didn’t know how the two had gotten the virus, and the possibility of human transmission couldn’t be ruled out.

>Nonetheless, at an October briefing, Shah said the public risk remained low and the USDA’s Deeble said he was optimistic that the dairy outbreak could be eliminated.

>Experts were perturbed by such confident statements in the face of uncertainty, especially as California’s outbreak spiked and a child was mysteriously infected by the same strain of virus found on dairy farms.

>“This wasn’t just immaculate conception,” said Stephen Morrison, director of the Global Health Policy Center at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “It came from somewhere and we don’t know where, but that hasn’t triggered any kind of reset in approach — just the same kind of complacency and low energy.”

>Sam Scarpino, a disease surveillance specialist in the Boston area, wondered how many other mysterious infections had gone undetected. Surveillance outside of farms was even patchier than on them, and bird flu tests have been hard to get.

>Although pandemic experts had identified the CDC’s singular hold on testing for new viruses as a key explanation for why America was hit so hard by covid in 2020, the system remained the same. Bird flu tests could be run only by the CDC and public health labs until this month, even though commercial and academic diagnostic laboratories had inquired about running tests since April. The CDC and FDA should have tried to help them along months ago, said Ali Khan, a former top CDC official who now leads the University of Nebraska Medical Center College of Public Health.

>As winter sets in, the bird flu becomes harder to spot because patient symptoms may be mistaken for the seasonal flu. Flu season also raises a risk that the two flu viruses could swap genes if they infect a person simultaneously. That could form a hybrid bird flu that spreads swiftly through coughs and sneezes.

>A sluggish response to emerging outbreaks may simply be a new, unfortunate norm for America, said Bollyky, at the Council on Foreign Relations. If so, the nation has gotten lucky that the bird flu still can’t spread easily between people. Controlling the virus will be much harder and costlier than it would have been when the outbreak was small. But it’s possible.

>Agriculture officials could start testing every silo of bulk milk, in every state, monthly, said Poulsen, the livestock veterinarian. “Not one and done,” he added. If they detect the virus, they’d need to determine the affected farm in time to stop sick cows from spreading infections to the rest of the herd — or at least to other farms. Cows can spread the bird flu before they’re sick, he said, so speed is crucial.

>Curtailing the virus on farms is the best way to prevent human infections, said Jennifer Nuzzo, director of the Pandemic Center at Brown University, but human surveillance must be stepped up, too. Every clinic serving communities where farmworkers live should have easy access to bird flu tests — and be encouraged to use them. Funds for farmworker outreach must be boosted. And, she added, the CDC should change its position and offer farmworkers bird flu vaccines to protect them and ward off the chance of a hybrid bird flu that spreads quickly.

>The rising number of cases not linked to farms signals a need for more testing in general. When patients are positive on a general flu test — a common diagnostic that indicates human, swine, or bird flu — clinics should probe more deeply, Nuzzo said.

>The alternative is a wait-and-see approach in which the nation responds only after enormous damage to lives or businesses. This tack tends to rely on mass vaccination. But an effort analogous to Trump’s Operation Warp Speed is not assured, and neither is rollout like that for the first covid shots, given a rise in vaccine skepticism among Republican lawmakers.

>Change may instead need to start from the bottom up — on dairy farms, still the most common source of human infections, said Poulsen. He noticed a shift in attitudes among farmers at the Dairy Expo: “They’re starting to say, ‘How do I save my dairy for the next generation?’ They recognize how severe this is, and that it’s not just going away.”

>>486476
Big and little porky screw us again.

The unexplained cases are really worrying. Early on there was the question of whether or not the virus was being killed by pasteurization. Some study came out saying, oh, don't worry, it's all good, but I'm not entirely convinced. Apparently there are a few forms of the process and they might not all be effective at killing the virus. That's to say nothing about raw milk and the morons that drink it.

All we need now is Trump to come in and deport all these infected farm workers to really ignite a disaster.

>>486436
This is just the sequel to the corona plandemic.
It's going to be the same story again with everyone pressured to take porky's mark of the beast. https://hadzicharis.medium.com/the-spars-pandemic-2025-b7544695bac2

>>487087
Where is this author from?

>>487087
The "In the year 2025, the world has become simultaneously more connected, yet more divided. Nearly universal access to wireless internet and new technology—including internet accessing technology (IAT): thin, flexible screens that can be temporarily attached to briefcases, backpacks, or clothing and used to stream content from the internet—has provided the means for readily sharing news and information. However, many have chosen to self-restrict the sources they turn to for information, often electing to interact only with those with whom they agree. This trend has increasingly isolated cliques from one another, making communication across and between these groups more and more difficult." line feels like it would be a great way to mess with people.

FAKE AS FUCK
I'm not falling for this shit after """COVID""". There is no bird flu.

>>487100
>I'm not falling for this shit after """COVID""". >There is no bird flu.
No idea how anyone can take "THE PLAGUES ARE JUST MADE UP!" as the lesson of COVID. They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real, and kept going even after the gov't decided to no longer treat it as a big deal.

>>487101
>No idea how anyone can take "THE PLAGUES ARE JUST MADE UP!" as the lesson of COVID.
>They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real
If somebody tells half-truths the simplest strategy is to just assume everything they say is a lie. It's not the best strategy when you "game this out" but it usually ends up in the "strategy-success-pile". I'm astonished you'd find this reaction surprising. The cost of believing a lie usually is much higher than missing out on a truth.

>>487110
>If somebody tells half-truths the simplest strategy is to just assume everything they say is a lie. It's not the best strategy when you "game this out" but it usually ends up in the "strategy-success-pile". I'm astonished you'd find this reaction surprising. The cost of believing a lie usually is much higher than missing out on a truth.
Except a lot of what they lied about was stuff like saying "masks aren't effective!" early on, over-stating the efficacy of vaccines in preventing the illness, downplaying the contagiousness at the start of the pandemic, and then downplaying the death rate as they ended shutdowns in the US, and continuing to downplay it after Biden was elected.
If someone lies to me about what kind of plane is in the sky, and I see the plane there and it's different from the kind of plane they say it is, at no point is it rational for me to then conclude that planes don't exist and aviation is fake. I had COVID, most people I know had COVID, some people I knew were hospitalized for complications of COVID, at least one friend's grandparent was killed by COVID, and tons of people died of it. Unless you were living under a rock at the time and didn't know anybody or catch it, it would be completely insane to come to the conclusion that it didn't exist. It's not critical thinking, it's some sort of weird mindless pure reaction where someone somehow got accidentally reverse psychology'd into disregarding their own eyes, medicine, and all evidence just because the US gov't lied about some stuff, even though some of the gov'ts deception was downplaying how bad the very same disease was.

>>487101
This """bird flu""" is just a cover story for herd culling to raise prices. Farmers always destroy their crops/livestock if they can't sell them at a price that's profitable enough. Now they "test" the birds for "bird flu" and find that SHOCKINGLY, some of the chickens they keep cooped up in disgusting, toxic factory farms are unhealthy. Their test is rigged to come up positive for a % of birds tested, then they just start culling. Bonus if the big farms can force their competitors to do the culling instead.

Of course if you truly believed this bird flu virus narrative, the culling is still nonsensical. Why not just quarantine the birds and let the virus run its course? It'd be much cheaper than culling millions of them. That's one clue for the believers that this is BS. Here's another: if this bird flu virus is so virulent and harmful and spreads to humans, then why did it take so long for this bullshit announcement to come out? Clearly it's not containable and should have been spreading to humans immediately.

>They lied about a lot of stuff, but the deaths and medical bills were real
The deaths were real and they were iatrogenic as well as simply relabeled flu cases.

>>487131
>The deaths were real and they were iatrogenic as well as simply relabeled flu cases.
Or maybe the flu deaths that year were relabeled COVID cases. Did u think of that?
Maybe they made up influenza to sell vaccines. Oooh!
Adding in "relabeled" flu cases there is especially funny because you'd have to multiply the worst flu epidemic of the 2010s 9x to even almost get the amount of COVID deaths in 2021 alone. Of the worst flu outbreaks in US history, only the Spanish Flu outbreak of 1918 got numbers like this. Unless this was one of the worst, if not the worst flu outbreak in US history paired with a total systemic pattern of medical homicide, the explanation that it was "iatrogenic" deaths paired with relabeled flu deaths makes no sense. Flu deaths even in years with high flu mortality would barely be a drop in the bucket. It doesn't meet the requirements for scale.

>>487129
>Except a lot of what they lied about was stuff like saying "masks aren't effective!" early on, over-stating the efficacy of vaccines in preventing the illness, downplaying the contagiousness at the start of the pandemic, and then downplaying the death rate as they ended shutdowns
Governments can lie about things like a secret weapons program because that is stuff that doesn't directly touch the lives of their citizens, and it usually won't have any consequences. But they can't lie about things that touch the lives of their citizens without burning the institutional trust that enables them to have authority.

By the way the biggest lie related to covid was the omission that it had been predicted many years in advance, in exceptional detail, down to problems like hospitals lacking ventilator equipment. Given that foreknowledge we could have implemented decent public healthcare policies, and covid would have been a "nothing burger" that hardly killed anybody and only severely harmed very few. A decision was made to ignore the warning and let millions die.

If it had swung the other way and governments had implemented good public health care policy based on the scientific projection. Good governance of this type would have increased public trust by a lot.

>If someone lies to me about what kind of plane is in the sky, and I see the plane there and it's different from the kind of plane they say it is, at no point is it rational for me to then conclude that planes don't exist and aviation is fake.
You need a electron microscope to see a virus. I too looked at the scientific publications with the covid e-scope pics and yeah if you understand how to look at those it does make the virus as real as seeing a plane in the sky. But many people aren't plugged into the scientific sphere. To them it's not a objective measurement, to them it's a story where somebody claims to have seen a strange flying machine.

>I had COVID, most people I know had COVID, some people I knew were hospitalized for complications of COVID, at least one friend's grandparent was killed by COVID, and tons of people died of it. Unless you were living under a rock at the time and didn't know anybody or catch it, it would be completely insane to come to the conclusion that it didn't exist.
When you get down to it, this really is a question about causes. The high injury rate and death-tole was caused by a lack of hospital capacity, not enough medical staff and not enough equipment. Especially that last part. Technically we could stockpile large numbers of hazardous environment suits, and then hand them out when a plague breaks out. That would end all pandemics forever. With that in mind was it really the virus that killed or injured sooo many people ?

> It's not critical thinking, it's some sort of weird mindless pure reaction where someone somehow got accidentally reverse psychology'd into disregarding their own eyes, medicine, and all evidence just because the US gov't lied about some stuff, even though some of the gov'ts deception was downplaying how bad the very same disease was.
You are making a lot of assumptions.

I get it that you are frustrated by all the insane nonsense that is being said, but if you zoom out, it's not necessarily irrational. Bad policy decisions were made, that caused a lot of preventable death and suffering, and the general public lost trust as a result. Many people indirectly express distrust by simply contradicting or inverting what officials are saying, rather than stating the distrust directly. That likely is a cultural idiosyncrasy more than anything. If people say something with the intent to express distrust, it is completely pointless to lecture them on facts.

Maybe try this translation matrix:
<Covid isn't real
means
<Heads up, government officials are lying about stuff, you can't trust their advice.
What is being negotiated here is not a medical reality, but a political reality.

The root problem for all of this is the-powers-that-be trying to bend scientific truths to fit their agenda. We will continue on the retarded time-line until such times this gets frustrated comprehensibly. It is the way of the enlightenment that power capitulates to scientific discovery. The people with power need to have their heads corrected first, this problem originates from the top.

I also think we should use a different metaphor. It makes more sense to treat viruses like a "fog pokemon" that drains "life-force" from the hosts it infects.