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 No.482869

Why did the Western far-left become the 2SLGBTQRPGMMO+++ rainbow mafia?
It genuinely is perplexing to me that Western leftists seem to hold even the most absurd AGP sex fetish shit and BPD tumblr furry xenogender larping as the most ultimate leftist purity test, yet then will accept literal fucking Capitalists into the movement wihtout hesitation.
I used to think this shit was exaggerated, but it's honestly not, most western leftist spaces are just rainbow mafia/idpol obsessed and you can't push back on even the most absurd, eye rolling narratives, without getting asked to leave, or if online, copping a ban, this includes communities like leftypol(dot)org.
Even holding the same policy positions, as most Communist Parties in the Global South, will get you banned from basically any Westoid "Leftist" space. Leftypol lets you claim Xi is based or whatever, but if you actually espouse his policies, enjoy your ban because it doesn't align with Western Idpol shit.
Why is the Western left like this? Don't they realise that this shit makes them look like absolute pozzed student larping retards to the majority of the working class?
Would most Western "leftists" even want to live in a Working Class led society? They do realise the Working Class is largely soft-Socially Conservative right?
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 No.482875

feds killed the movement in the 60s and 70s and this is what feeds on its corpse: mostly faggy students
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 No.482876

>>482869
Your talking about the dramatic increase of identitarianism ?

Identitarian politics aren't new and has persisted in all political camps to some extend
the basic operating principle is
<If you disagree with me, you are attacking me personally.

In contrast to formal logic, where you have statements, and those statements can be true or false for example. These statements are also treated as independent objects, not attached to a person. Extremely dedicated Logicians only have a box that contains all their opinions, and if a opinion is refuted they just remove it from the box and replace it with an updated opinion. It's not possible to make them feel personally attacked. This is why the Vulcans in star trek are the diplomat species. It has to be said that formal logical reasoning also has limitations, that make it impractical as a political philosophy in the real world.

I admit that i do not know what the change in material conditions was that made identitarianism so dominant in recent years.

An obvious factor is influence from the ruling class. They do not want a united working class, they much prefer a crab-bucket of ident-groups fighting among them selves for privileges. That's just a fancy way of saying divide and conquer, and that has existed forever, and doesn't fully explain recent developments. A part of the explanation is missing.

There is a lot of eloquent criticism of the Identitarian phenomenon, but not much that moves beyond critique. So another question arises, what would a political counter tendency look like that sees identities as prisons from which people ought to be liberated.
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 No.482886

>>482869
the Trump shooter appears to be more a neet incel cis straight male than an LGBTQ whatever

the major think that's changed is people insisiting over and over that the left is short haired female twinks when, as fantastic as that sounds, is not the reality on the ground. The left on the ground are just normal people watching people at the national level broadbrush them in a million different ways.
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 No.482937

The "far-left" in the Empire never existed outside of ephemeral cells that were immediately snuffed out or re-directed. Every expression of that which was allowed to live was built as a straw man to be knocked down or channel dissenters to entirely useless ends.

The fag mafia is not really part of "political life". It is a very violent anti-politics, intrinsically supplicating to the institutions. When the left made its choice to value the institutions over the people, there was no more "left" at all, anywhere in the world. There was only the Empire, and its right wing vanguardists to tear down all forms of democratic expression. The fags are very much a construct of the right wing, and when you look at "right-wing radicalism" like the Nazis, they're drenched in faggotry hitherto unknown in human history. Fags - and I speak here of fags rather than the homosexual act in of itself - are always going to choose supplication to the state and the ruling institutions, and this is emphasized in every part of the "fag agenda" and the narratives for public consumption. It has always been a weapon of eugenics in particular, and to a lesser extent a defender of the ruling institutions in all circumstances - a call to lock ranks and enforce an anti-democratic lockout.

It's actually funny because if you look at the left and the "free love" types, they were usually far more anti-homosexual and disdained gay men in particular. Gay and bisexual men were seen as inherently treacherous, eunuchs who would ruin anything they touch. The right, historically, has always been strangely tolerant of homosexualism, and aristocrats have always enjoyed an exception to all of this stigma. It's one of the transgressions they celebrate to distinguish them from us, and homosexualism always was an aristocratic vice.

That said, gay men tend to be dissatisfied with the status quo, so they can be drawn into radicalism of the left and right. In faggotry, political alliances are always alliances of convenience. They can wear a swastika or a hammer and sickle and change the slogans, for fags revel in the superficial and disdain any meaning. Gay men in general are, like any men, made to live in conflict and struggle, and they have been told that they must accept relationships and social status that make them live a lie - that their relations are anything other than perversions. In practice, this is all about social stigma and an inroad to MAKE them internalize the alien ethos. Most gay men would, in a sane society, not be locked into being "gay men". Historically, such men would have wanted to mate with women at some point, and were explicitly locked out of that - unless they were aristocratic. Look at high-status gay men like Greenwald and they have children, mate with women as they please. But homosexualism has always been a weapon, primarily used against men, because men have been throughout human history the primary political agent. Women usually are too smart to get mixed up in politics, and the "girlboss" is almost always a sign of imperial domination of the political. It's why the most prominent and effective female politicians are Margaret Thatcher and Hillary Clinton types, rather than rebellious women (most of whom openly disdain the name "feminist"). Women with a political mind usually operated in the shadows and let men be the face of whatever they wanted done, both because that was more effective and because they were locked out of political office for most of history - and also because, if they are alone as political leaders tend to be, they will be torn to shreds. Politics is an ugly business and personal virtue remains important. What we live in is an imperial system designed to strip out that virtue and destroy the public facing, so that power is held in secret. This is historically unusual, made possible because the Empire has concentrated more power and wealth in the ruling class than it ever has, and there is no way this can "end". In short, any possibility of a republican political form has been neutralized, likely forever. The rise of faggotry is linked to the rise of imperial politics, and the rainbow flag is a flag of Empire. Said faggotry is not particularly useful for gay men, who are very easy to make into ritual sacrifices, especially when you know the habits of pederasty linked to ritual sacrifice and the ugliest habits of the human race.
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 No.482938

>>482886
The people on the ground tend to be ordinary people trying to live, against the vanguard of the institutions who are shouting "DIE DIE DIE" in the open and glorifying the shouting. At this stage of history, "left" and "right" are more historical artifacts than genuine struggle. The left as a genuine political force was repudiated by the two world wars, and it chose to retreat to the institutions. As it did, it embraced all of the shibboleths of the arch-conservatives - retreat to the institutions no matter what, defeat of the people - and the right was propped up as "populist", dominated by the veneer of faggotry. That is Nazism and things like it, and it is common to fascist ideas.
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 No.483099

Western Leftism is seemingly just based on Social Media narratives and youth "counter culture" trends. You can see that with the Chapo episode on Gaza where they interview activists from the student camps, and the students just spout Idpol buzzwords and don't actually really know anything about the history or ideology of the situation. If Israel wasn't so absolutely retarded and sociopathic and utilized progressive idpol bullshit more cynically, many of the pro-Palestine "left" crowd could easily have been swayed to a pro-Israel position.
LGBT and Blacks make up huge amounts of Zoomer/Millennial media and youth culture, so of course most "leftists" will simply care about gay and black stuff over everything else.
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 No.483103

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 No.483149

>>483099
You could say the same about the alt right then
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 No.483160

>>483099
>Western Leftism is seemingly just based on Social Media narratives and youth "counter culture" trends.
Anyone will a brain understands that there isn't going to be a
"class war" in the west. The only way to rile up a violent revolutionary spirit in the west is through identity politics i.e. replacing the economic issues of marxism with cultural issues or cultural marxism if you prefer.
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 No.483316

Maybe they want to tie all the woke shit with leftism, like they tie zionism and judaism together. Then they can really crank up the ridiculousness of the woke shit to discredit the left.

That way a part of the population thinks that leftists are trying to turn their kids trans or whatever, and liberals (who will never be left because they aren't actually against the ruling class or their ideas) eat that shit up and make the woke shit a prerequisite part of being a left.

tl;dr: turn class rhetoric into identity politics.
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 No.483322

>>483316
They certainly do, but that doesn't explain why most self proclaimed leftists eat that shit up. We should want to distance ourselves from self-defeating idpol.
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 No.483323

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I would say that fundamentally this kind of idpol stems from narcissism. I put forth a theory a while back that it's a reflection of the politics of dominant class in society. In post-industrial financialized economies, that class is finance capitalists. What are the psychological characteristics of finance capitalists? Always there is an obsession with image and presentation, advertising yourself to investors to a point where it becomes utterly phony and narcissistic. The ruling class then creates institutions that valorize and propagate these traits, in order to reproduce their class, until those traits start to trickle down into the rest of society. I never looked further into this, but it would be confirmatory if a place like Singapore had similar narcissist-driven politics and culture.

If this theory is correct, it highlight's Michael Hudson's frequent point about strategy: we may have to first win the war against finance capitalists. We may then be able to bring the class struggle back to workers vs industrial capitalists after the finance narcissists are no longer able to infect movements with this class-cracking bullshit.
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 No.483411

>>483323
>N-word

Ah yes, the the throwing around of the word that sorta rhymes with anarchism.

That word doesnt really mean what you think it does.

Irony is, intellectual circles are often plagued with the same crimes they accuse the plebians of having.
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 No.483412

>>483411
>That word doesnt really mean what you think it does.
A vacuous assertion without an argument supplied.
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 No.483426

>>483412
Bruh youre the one making vacuous assumptions.

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