>>479524>premise is way too far in the future>life would be unrecognizably different and I don't know what kind of attacks we would face.the implication of the thought experiment in the opening post is that going hardcore privacy respecting has strategic advantages.
>Do lefty groups lack funding? Is that the problem?in a way yes
>what do they materially need to be successful?i'm convinced that socialists cannot copy the methods of political struggle that the bourgeois factions use, because those do commodified politics, which is a kind of simulated fake politics.
Socialists might need a less sophisticated version of labor vouchers as an economic circuit for political struggle.
>I'm thinking of the hong kong protests, but those didn't overthrow anything.Maybe Chinese counter intelligence hacked into the US surveillance system, and used it to find out who the CIA handlers were, and that's how the Hongkong color revolution was shut down.
>Perhaps we should study how places like Iran had their democratically elected government overthrown by the CIA / british feds in the 50'sThe Overthrowing of Mossadegh ? What could we possibly learn from that, we don't want to overthrow democratically elected governments, we want to
have democratically elected governments.
>So what does the CIA do that leftists can't?Lie, cheat and steal, according to Mike Pompeo.
CIA tactics are what the Nazis called 'zersetsung' , dissolving of society , they might have gotten the idea for that from absorbing the Nazi spy-network after WW2. Leftists do not want to dissolve society, CIA means do not serve lefty ends.
>So yeah let's bring this discussion down to earth a bit and think about what we can use that's already been tried and tested by the ruling class. Well for example the ruling class wanted to start a big war in Ukraine, they funded and armed a bunch of Ukrainian fascists to split Ukraine in two, that caused a civil war which eventually escalated into a bigger war. While that strategy technically worked, what possible use could we have for that ?
We need a counter, something that heals divisions not exasperates them. Divide and conquer doesn't really work for us.
>It's been occurring more and more to me that the point of "seize the means of production" shouldn't be to destroy everything and rebuild, Well neo-liberal economics and neocon ideologues are currently dismantling everything, so we need to look into rebuilding anyway.
>but literally use and appropriate every fucking function that capitalism has invented, shamelessly.Not sure if you can overcome capitalism just by gaming capitalism. The bourgoisie overcame feudalism by generating their own separate economic circuits and political super-structure.
If there was a socialist system and a capitalist system existing in parallel, it would be possible to game capitalism to relocate the means of production from the capitalist system to the socialist system. But it would be necessary to bootstrap a socialist system that can run in parallel before that.