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 No.479460

>The appeal for the commercial enterprises that are bankrolling the research into the Familiar is indeed the unprecedented penetration into consumers' habitats and unconscious minds that it offers: this kind of AI can operate as a walking, live-in, always-on 'advertisement' for their products. 'It goes far further than that,' Bryant enthuses. 'The Familiar is the ultimate product: a product that collapses commodity, market research and promotion into one another. It's a product that sells you more products.'

http://ccru.net/archive/Commodities.htm

They have predicted so much.
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 No.479484

I find the concept of an ultimate product very inspiring. What is the ultimate product? It is a product, that sells you more products. I believe the first ultimate product was TV. It was THE device of the second half of the 20th century, which massively propelled consumerism. Not only through advertisements, but also through TV series and movies, people have been "educated" what to desire and how to live. Now we have computers and smartphones, which are the new ultimate products. Modern videogame consoles are connected with the internet and can advertise and sell you games 24/7. The facilitation of new desires and therefore consumption is now even more faster, easier, frictionless and completely individualized. And AI will only get more capable with every year, it will analyze consumers in such detail and create ever more accurate psychograms. In this regard, personal assistants like Alexa are just the icing on the cake.
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 No.479487

>>479484
TV/Radio had stories like books and information like news-papers, but it was easier than reading. TV/Radio was also cheaper because you only needed to buy the device once (if you tuned into free terrestrial broadcasts or free satellites)

All the new hyper-corporate tech suffers from enshitification, which makes it more frustrating to use. The stories and information are slowly moving behind subscription paywalls. That means that it's not gonna be what TV or Radio was last century.

>And AI will only get more capable with every year, it will analyze consumers in such detail and create ever more accurate psychograms.

It's just emotional manipulation and it's having diminishing returns at this point.
>The facilitation of new desires and therefore consumption is now even more faster, easier, frictionless
Keep in mind that feeling desire does have a small "mental cost". If you supercharge this too much people might experience burnout.

A growing number of people is having bad experiences with the new "ultimate products" and the loss of controle over personal technology. Soon most people will want technology without an umbilical cord.
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 No.479488

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>>479487
>A growing number of people is having bad experiences with the new "ultimate products" and the loss of controle over personal technology. Soon most people will want technology without an umbilical cord.

It's true, this is also why phenomena like dopamine detox or the usage of dumbphones have developed in recent times. Although I'm afraid, it will be hard to cut the umbilical cord completely in contemporary modern societies. To participate in modern society, you must own a smartphone and other "smart" technologies. Many everyday tasks which could be done in the oldschool way, are being replaced through digital technology. You are literally forced to have a Google account, just to being able to buy a ticket for your train. The irony about this story is, that only the super rich can afford to live an offline analog live. It is no coincidence, that no big tech CEO is using their own product, while sending their children to elite schools without digital technology.
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 No.479491

>>479488
>it will be hard to cut the umbilical cord completely in contemporary modern societies.
that's probably temporary, once more people are fed up with it'll change

<To participate in modern society, you must own a smartphone and other "smart" technologies. Many everyday tasks which could be done in the oldschool way, are being replaced through digital technology. You are literally forced to have a Google account, just to being able to buy a ticket for your train.

I don't see this as a problem with digital technology in general. There is no reason why any of that logistical stuff needs to be attached to the cloud. That just makes it a cyber-war/crime liability/attack-surface. There was a train company in Poland irc that used their cloud-link to brick trains because they were mad the local government gave the maintenance contract to another company. It's just a bad system design-choice. And it's easy to fix it too. Because most of it just needs different/modified software.

>The irony about this story is, that only the super rich can afford to live an offline analog live. It is no coincidence, that no big tech CEO is using their own product, while sending their children to elite schools without digital technology.

No, the Super-rich buy things like luxury cars which have become worse than smartphones.
The only free people in this cyber-dystopia are "leet haxors" that "pwnd the system" or something like that.

Anyway we're nearing peak complexification. The next phase isn't going to be a more intense version of the same. It'll move towards simplification and resiliency enhancement.
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 No.479492

>>479491
>Anyway we're nearing peak complexification. The next phase isn't going to be a more intense version of the same. It'll move towards simplification and resiliency enhancement.

I'm not that optimistic. I believe, western societies will copy the chinese system of surveillance-capitalism in the long term. They are already abolishing cash, because fintechs and the state want full control over every little transaction. Musk's plan is to turn X into the western equivalent of China's WeChat, the almighty everything app. Techno-Capital is becoming more and more powerful with every day, while normies believe this development is "progress". To have an internet connection has become a necessity, if you want to participate in society. Being connected to THE MACHINE is the normal state. And of course, normies don't question this.
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 No.479493

>>479492
The Chinese didn't invent surveillance capitalism, "we" did. They copied certain aspects of the west because we had more advanced means of production/technology. They're not intending to stick with this model, to them this is just a temporary socioeconomic pattern to hatch out the current level of productive forces. They're saying as much in their official party documents, in their very particular vernacular.

In the west there is a lot of ruling class entrenchment going on. Really big capital interests digging in their heals to block any kind of political or economic change, that is what's risking ossification of the western political sphere. That's not happening in China, capital interests no matter how big cannot interfere like that. The Chinese communists genuinely do not care about any of this, they're doing the personal data harvesting stuff because they're getting advanced MOP out of it. A means to an end. They're gonna move on from this, to what ever the next tech-frontier will become. And when they're done with that, they'll move on from that as well.

Western ruling classes see the surveillance shite as a means of locking in their permanent rule, they've begun thinking like rulers in feudal societies. They don't even understand that the CPC gained a lot of political trust by improving the living standards of the Chinese population. That's why they were handed that kind of power over the Chinese internet and Chinese society by the Chinese population. It doesn't work the other way around. If the western ruling classes try to take this kind of power by force, without earning political trust by generating rising prosperity for the masses and to borrow a Chinese expression "good governance" , that's going to destabilize what remains of "western civilization".

>Musk's plan is to turn X into the western equivalent of China's WeChat, the almighty everything app

I know, but i don't understand his reasoning. The WeChat model worked in material conditions in China for the last 10 years or there about. It's likely that as material conditions change in China that they'll do something else. I don't think that it'll work here, we're not in a monolithic omni-tool moment, what's going to take off in the west will be narrow purpose specialized tools.

>Techno-Capital is becoming more and more powerful with every day

They rose via great technical skill, but they're now trying to maintain their position by political scheming. Capitalists that chase political power instead of stuff usually are past their zenith.
>normies believe this development is "progress".
Nobody thinks that anymore.
>To have an internet connection has become a necessity, if you want to participate in society.
Sure but the internet is just "a series of tubes". It doesn't have to pipe big tech silos and surveillance.
Stop trying to blame the internet for the abuse of digital technology by bad people.
It's just the underlying technology it can pipe something else/better.
>Being connected to THE MACHINE is the normal state.
we're living in cyber-dystopia, none of this is normal, none of this can be hyper-normalized, it's just too extreme.
The problem isn't machines, it's that we're not controlling it. Don't blame metallurgy because somebody used it to make slave-chains.
>And of course, normies don't question this.
Nobody likes it, normies just can't find the escape-hatch.
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 No.479494

>>479493
>They're not intending to stick with this model, to them this is just a temporary socioeconomic pattern to hatch out the current level of productive forces.

Yeah sure, "temporary". This is the thing with marxists, they are sooo cucked. You can enslave them, you can make them eat shit. Just tell them: "Don't worry, this is all temporary. All this bad shit will eventually wither away some day. But now is the time for le productive forces and you should get into your wage cage. This is totally different than western capitalism and totally not exploitation. Jack Ma? Oh yes, he is a capitalist, but he is /ourguy/ trust me bro. Don't question this, you simply don't understand dialectics!"
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 No.479495

>>479493
>They're gonna move on from this, to what ever the next tech-frontier will become.

Pointless and stupid. Marxoids will always find a "reason" to justify exploitation. You are no different than proponents of capitalism.
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 No.479497

>>479494
Wages for Chinese workers rose by a factor of 5x over the last generation, how is that cuckoldry ? I wish western workers had any wage-growth at all.

A little over a century ago the Chinese were completely crushed, by the Japanese Empire, the British empire and others. Famine was perpetual, 20% of the population was addicted to Opium, and it was usual for parents to sell some of their children because they couldn't feed them and average life expectancy was something like 33 years. Within the last 100 years the Chinese overthrew their own ruling class, as well as the foreign occupying empires. Their life expectancy more than doubled and in addition to that they rose from the bottom of the "global rank" to the largest industrial power whose industrial output rivals the combined industrial output of the rest of the world. By any measure they're the people that stood up, and now nobody can slap them around anymore

How is this not a success story ?

If you want to complain that Chinese lack civil liberties, i tend to agree, but given their track record of raking in the Ws, what makes you think they're not going to achieve that as well ?

>This is totally different than western capitalism and totally not exploitation.

China isn't de-industrializing, it's not dominated by neocon ghouls that want to blow the surplus of society on stupid imperialist adventures. They build lots of trains and solar panels. That is different.

Chinese workers are exploited there is no doubt about that, but the rate of exploitation has begun to go down.

>Jack Ma? Oh yes, he is a capitalist, but he is /ourguy/ trust me bro.

Huh ?
That's the guy who owns most of ANT-group or something that sounds similar. I remember that he tried to become an imperial finance porky by doing something called an IPO and the CPC shut him down.
Why do you want me to trust that guy ? Are you being sarcastic ?
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 No.479498

>>479495
Oh you misunderstand my politics. The neocons are currently painting China as the big bad scary that's supposed to serve as the next excuse for fear-mongering and war-mongering. I simply can't say negative things about China until they remove it from the big bad scary list, because i wish to avoid contributing to fear/war-mongering.
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 No.479499

we got off topic, somehow threads about bad shit happening in the west somehow always derail into pointing fingers at China. Might be an intentional distraction tactic or something.

>>479492
>I'm not that optimistic.
I guess it's going to be a bitter struggle for
<a free internet that's uncensored and surveillance-free
<technological self-determination
<personal ownership over personal technology

But it can be done, this is a winnable battle.
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 No.479500

>>479497
Reading your post reminds me of myself a few years ago. A few years ago, I would had totally agreed with your post. But not today anymore and I know exactly, there is no point to talk with you about China. In the past I was like you, I was also a total China fanatic. I know all these phrases, I've also read Xi's and Deng's texts. I've been watching CGTN and reading China Daily every day. But at some point I've realized, this all just copium. This world is a mess and believing in chinese socialism and the CPC gave me strength and hope. But in the end, its just a belief. It's a cope. Sooner or later, your belief will shatter as well. I don't even have to convince you, it's just a matter of time.
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 No.479502

>>479497
Btw I agree with you, that we should oppose fear/warmongering towards China.

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