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 No.6594

/cars/

Anybody else in the bunker enjoy cars and motorsport?

Discuss anything motoring related here.

To start I'll say I've spent the last few days doing the brakes on my own car, including new calipers. Fucking hard work on an old POS, nothing comes apart easily.
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 No.6602

Ah Initial D has arrived
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 No.6612

>>6602
>Initial D
I got based trips
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 No.6626

>>6612
And I got checked again, WTF
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 No.6627

Cars are fun but inferior to public transport.
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 No.6645

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tungjatjeta
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 No.6647

>>6594
I wish rallying were more popular in the United States.
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 No.6650

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My favorite car is the Ford Pinto. I've never driven one but I heard their owners had a blast.
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 No.6652

>>6650
Fucking kek, I haven't heard that joke since Doug Winger died.
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 No.6658

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>>6594
goddamn it I just want an old luxury sedan
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 No.6678

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I spotted one of my dream rides (pictured Datsun/Nissan 720 4x4) not too far from my house and damn do I want a mid/late 80s pickup rn. My last vehicle was a 90 Ford Ranger and it was simple to work on but almost every bolt needed a gallon of liquid wrench.

Probably going to get some economy cargo van next - there just isn't enough to justify a pickup truck when you live in a metro area. I've also decided I kinda hate working on cars - I much prefer to isolate my wrenching to motorcycles
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 No.6993

>>6658
Eh, you can just reupholster the inside of a car. I knew a woman who did that for living, and she made the inside of her old run down car a beautiful turquoise carpet, dashboards, seats….It was a gorgeous color. And of course she gave the outside a new paint job and fixed up the engine so it looked like a new car.
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 No.7065

>>6993
I like the bodies of them as well as the interiors.
And I know someone with a derelict town car willing to sell, I just dont have the money to sink into a car that's currently doesn't function at all.
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 No.9084

Anyone have some more info on Eastern Bloc cars?
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 No.9085

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Someone sauce me who's car this is. This is hilarious
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 No.9091

>>9085
It's not a real car, guy. That's clearly a videogame, probably Forza.
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 No.9092

>>9091
OH, must be 4K then.
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 No.9101

>>6594
Cars are bourgeois, and so are sports related to cars.
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 No.9103

>>9101
to be honest the qeen of motorsports formula 1 as well as the king of motorsports wrc really is a very bouj sport ,but the ussr still had motosports and many proles like motorsports
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 No.9104

>>9103
Formula 1 is Bourgie
NASCAR is BASED and PROLETARIAT
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 No.9106

>>9103
>but the ussr still had motosports
Only because it was something the US did and they didn't want to be outdone. But in a world without personal cars, motorsport wouldn't be a thing.
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 No.9107

>>9106
Uhhhh no, a lot of them were just dirt-road racing clubs formed for fun. Unlike Olypmics or Space, the USSR couldn't give a fuck, otherwise they would have made more cars to be gas-guzzling speedsters like the Mustang and Charger.
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 No.9112

>>9106
>But in a world without personal cars
who would live in a shithole like this?
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 No.9113

>>9106
>otherwise they would have made more cars to be gas-guzzling speedsters like the Mustang and Charger.
umm no sweaty, they'd have built alfa's in Tolyatti.
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 No.9115

>>9113
Ok faggot, keep telling me this, a guy who's driven and likes Soviet avtoprom. Idiot.
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 No.9116

>>9115
ahahah
nigger.
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 No.9118

>>9101
>NASCAR literally started by dudes selling alcohol in spite of the law just to see who is faster
Motorsport is the natural outcome of having motorized vehicles. Even in socialism this would exist. We even race lawnmowers. Just kill yourself now. Next you'll tell me having my doggo is also bourgeois.
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 No.9290

Google 95 toyota tacoma water pump gasket LMAO
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 No.9295

>>9290
Heh, that was amusing.
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 No.9300

>>9112
Anyone who wants to survive the next century and not be baked alive in the coming climate apocalypse?
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 No.9302

I'm a late 20s retard-manchild who's never owned a car before/driven much at all.

What car would you guys recommend for me? Just want something cheap and safe, so I can make do while seething quietly over the fact that I don't live in a place with good public transportation.
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 No.9304

>>9302
Toyota Camry. 1999-2005 are good. Get one with about 50-60,000 miles on it (or less). One of the best and safest cars I've ever driven and lasts a long time when cared for.
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 No.9307

>>9300
Not every car has to burn fossil fuels or anything at all. And nobody is getting baked alive, nor is anyone currently on this board surviving into the next century.
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 No.9308

>>9302
Depends where you are really, I have a 20 year old Nissan Micra and I love it, less than £1k on the road, no problems, great ground clearance for getting to muh /out/ adventure starting places on shitty roads and ridiculously fun on b-roads because of its agricultural (read, shit) suspension with plenty of space inside, great car for most of europe but it wouldn't work in America I don't think, engine is too low displacement and its a hatchback with cramped rear seats

The ideal starter car is always some combo of
>Old therefore cheap for the spec you get
>Low mileage
>Good maintenance from previous owners

Toyota Yaris', Skoda's, Honda Civics etc. in the US the Toyota Corolla, are the kind of cars you want to look at, workhorse cars from the years you're looking at that are still common on the roads thanks to decentish build quality and being easily fixable

Bring someone mechanically knowledgeable with you when looking at cars, and have them help you check it out, also makeup lists of all the used cars you've seen advertised in your area that look appealing and google the models and years and see the common issues encountered and make sure to ask about those and double check the ones you see for those issues

Finance is always a meme btw, don't let people talk you into it, the shitbox is generally the correct choice
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 No.9312

>>9118
>Motorsport is the natural outcome of having motorized vehicles.
And why should everyone have a motorised vehicle when we have trains and public transportation? Americans all got personal cars because car makers conspired together and lobbied the government to destroy the public bus lines, watch Death of the Streetcar.

>Even in socialism this would exist.
Only if you think that in socialism you'd have a personal car for joyriding you bougie fuck. But now that we know that our current energy sources are finite, no, in a socialist economy faggots like you wouldn't get a car to race around. Maybe once all our energy is renewable, but until then it's just a waste. You only don't see it as a waste cause your mind has been rotten by capitalism.

>We even race lawnmowers.
but lawnmowers are just a natural outcome of having lawns. and who has laws? petit-bougie fucks, good on you for exposing yourself.

>Next you'll tell me having my doggo is also bourgeois.
Depends on what you get out of it. Do you think your dog is your friend, do you think your dog loves you? If so, then you're a liberal.

I hate "socialists" like you, who want life exactly as it is now, because you think it's "natural", you just want a different aesthetic and names for things. Fuck off, idealist.
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 No.9314

>>9312
In socialism everybody gets tank
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 No.9317

>>9312
>And why should everyone have a motorised vehicle when we have trains and public transportation? Americans all got personal cars because car makers conspired together and lobbied the government to destroy the public bus lines, watch Death of the Streetcar.
Because not everyone lives in cities, you cuck. And if some people have access to a personal car, then all should too. Maybe not all the time, but at least the access should be there when needed.

>Only if you think that in socialism you'd have a personal car for joyriding you bougie fuck.
Cars aren't a bourgeois piece of kit. Most Americans own at least one. This is the norm in industrialized nations.

>But now that we know that our current energy sources are finite, no, in a socialist economy faggots like you wouldn't get a car to race around.
You're assuming internal combustion. And yes, some people will still need one.

>Maybe once all our energy is renewable, but until then it's just a waste. You only don't see it as a waste cause your mind has been rotten by capitalism.
Some people can literally not travel without one. If you think light rail is going to come out of nowhere, then you're just stupid.

>but lawnmowers are just a natural outcome of having lawns. and who has laws? petit-bougie fucks, good on you for exposing yourself.
Do you think lawns won't exist in front of buildings and homes? It's not like we lack homes. Or is your dream of socialism just small apartments for everyone? Because if so, then I hope we don't get socialism.

>Depends on what you get out of it. Do you think your dog is your friend, do you think your dog loves you? If so, then you're a liberal.
I don't know what my dog thinks, but I know she makes me happy.

>I hate "socialists" like you, who want life exactly as it is now, because you think it's "natural", you just want a different aesthetic and names for things. Fuck off, idealist.
And I hate socialists like you who think that anything fun is bad and doesn't realize that re-structuring doesn't mean grey comblock apartments everywhere. I live in the country. I need a car, and I need a tractor. Motorized vehicles will continue to exist, and people will race them. Just because it makes you angry, doesn't mean it's bourgeois. I just means you're an insufferable cunt.
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 No.9318

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>>9312
Ugh look at these filthy bourgeois soviet commies.
How DARE they operate automobiles truly disgusting petty
And gaze upon this horrifically bourgeois soviet femoid, daring to mow public property in a more productive manner by using a lawn mower! Petty bougeois whorecunt!
I hate "socialists" like you, who are total fucking clowns!
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 No.9319

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Yes, I drive a red Audi RS4
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 No.9320

>>9318
Some communists are the best arguments for capitalism. I've heard things like: "No, there won't be video games in communism because you'll be too busy working"
And: "Rural populations will be moved to apartments in cities because the rural populations are counterrevolutionary."
In effect, I have to work more and live in a smaller place when my house exists and isn't used to make money. Sure sounds like communism would suck under those conditions.
Luckily, these retards are a vocal minority, and don't reflect any actual critical thought on what the future of socialism might be.
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 No.9323

>>9317
Different anon here; I agree with you somewhat, however
>I need a tractor
Not really given collectivized agriculture. You can still freely use one, it'll simply be publicly owned/used one.
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 No.9324

>>9323
I think I wasn't very specific. My tractor is small, not enough for farming, and is only used to clear the grass that grows fucking everywhere. It's bigger than a riding lawnmower, but smaller than a real industrial tractor. That being said, did you know some of those things drive themselves already? I think maybe we'll have robot farms more likely.
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 No.9332

>>9314
I'm not even a tankie but that would be awesome.
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 No.9365

>>9324
>petit-bourgeois landowner doesn't like the logical conclusion of socialism
imagine my shock
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 No.9367

>>9365
Owning a home doesn't make you petit-bourgeois. I work for a living, and I do not own my own business. In the rural areas of this country, land is cheaper, and you can buy it for what you would rent an apartment in a city. Please hang yourself, kid.
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 No.9426

>>9367
Dude, your whole thinking is bourgeois.
>>9317
>I live in the country.
Like that. You think that we have to have centralised production in the city, so that places far away can be "the country". Why not spread production out throughout the land? Why not have infrastructure that can bring goods out to "the country" so that you don't have to drive for 30 minutes each way to get things?

You look at the way things are and you think that's the way it should be. You probably wonder how socialism can replicate our exact way of existence. lol

COMMUNISM IS THE NAME OF THE REAL MOVEVEMENT THAT SEEKS TO OVERTHROW THE ESTABLISHED ORDER OF THINGS MOTHERFUCKER.

this includes your faggy john deere lawnmower.
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 No.9428

>>9426
>Like that. You think that we have to have centralised production in the city, so that places far away can be "the country". Why not spread production out throughout the land?
Because moving things around is expensive and resource intensive.

>Why not have infrastructure that can bring goods out to "the country" so that you don't have to drive for 30 minutes each way to get things?
We could do that, but there's no point in building an entire rail line if you care about conserving resources. A car will do. Trucks can deliver goods. I drive 20mins into town to get walmart stuff, and I can always order through the mail.

>You look at the way things are and you think that's the way it should be. You probably wonder how socialism can replicate our exact way of existence. lol
No, but I don't think country living is going to end because of socialism. There will always be isolated populations.

>COMMUNISM IS THE NAME OF THE REAL MOVEVEMENT THAT SEEKS TO OVERTHROW THE ESTABLISHED ORDER OF THINGS MOTHERFUCKER.
Okay

>this includes your faggy john deere lawnmower.
I'm sorry my tools trigger you so much, but please calm down. It's just so I can keep my home livable.
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 No.9434

>>9426
>lifestyle!
&ltlifestyle!
>LI FE ST Y LE!
>>LIFESTYLE!
bourgeois whore!
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 No.9452

>>9428
>Because moving things around is expensive and resource intensive.
You're right, that's why like a good capitalist you want to offload those costs to the worker.

>there's no point in building an entire rail line if you care about conserving resources. A car will do.
No, a car won't do. I'd rather take a train than have to drive a car:
>have to be sober, so no drinking or smoking weed the day you drive
>have to maintain your car, oil changes, etc.
>if it breaks, you fix it
>driving every day becomes a chore and a hassle
It's way nicer to sit on comfy chair on a train that takes you from point A to B. You can even have a drink and a meal while you travel. Not to mention that a train carries way more cargo per litre of fuel than a car, or a truck for that matter.

>No, but I don't think country living is going to end because of socialism. There will always be isolated populations.
Never said it would, it's just that rather than expecting 10000 people to all have a car, we can have a rail line to the area. If you visit Europe, you can see this in practice.
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 No.9509

>>9452
>You're right, that's why like a good capitalist you want to offload those costs to the worker.
I'm a worker, retard. And generally people want to live in cities where there's actually services and roads. This is why living there costs more. If housing was free, this wouldn't be an issue.

>No, a car won't do. I'd rather take a train than have to drive a car:
Because you like cities. Live in one. I travel to town too, and the cost of putting a rail line to every small town isn't actually worth it, especially with the ecological impact of tearing up the countryside for no net gain.

>It's way nicer to sit on comfy chair on a train that takes you from point A to B. You can even have a drink and a meal while you travel. Not to mention that a train carries way more cargo per litre of fuel than a car, or a truck for that matter.
That only makes sense if you're carrying enough cargo. A small hick town doesn't need the thousands of tons of resources you need in high population centers. Or are you thinking of carrying half-filled trains every week? The alternative, of course, is to run trains less often, but then you're just stranding people like me out in the middle of nowhere just because cars trigger you.

>Never said it would, it's just that rather than expecting 10000 people to all have a car, we can have a rail line to the area. If you visit Europe, you can see this in practice.
Oh, I'm aware of those small rail lines. They don't run very often, sometimes as little as once a week. People in those areas still own cars, for obvious reasons.

You're arguing from some weird lifestylist emotions. Get over yourself.
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 No.9542

>>9509
>I'm a worker, retard.
So? You've internalised the ruling ideology, including the "explanations" of why things must remain the way they are.

>generally people want to live in cities where there's actually services and roads.
Why not have services and roads in the periphery, and not just in the urban centres? That's my whole point. Our countries are organised this way because of capitalism. Early capitalist factory production necessitated centralisation. Factory production in general requires a level of centralisation (it is the meeting point of various resources and labour), however, we are no longer tied to steam engines and other large machinery. Because of our improved infrastructure, we no longer have to centralise things as we are able to transport energy and goods over large distances. Why would you want to?, you ask. So that people wouldn't have to.

>This is why living there costs more.
Housing in the cities costs more because of supply and demand, not because the amenities are better. Otherwise tropical islands would be cheap, for they have no services and roads.

>the cost of putting a rail line to every small town isn't actually worth it
Pic related, orange is high-speed, red is regular. Why isn't it worth it? Because you said so?

>especially with the ecological impact of tearing up the countryside for no net gain.
As opposed to cars and roads which float above the countryside, touching absolutely nothing. No net gain? You mean no net gain other than the fucking rail line, right?

>That only makes sense if you're carrying enough cargo.
No, it makes sense if there are hundreds of people (including cargo) to move, which there always are. Trains go through a bunch of cities and towns in a day, or do you think trains just go from station A to station B and then back? I suggest you look up how stuff works.

>A small hick town doesn't need the thousands of tons of resources you need in high population centers.
No, it doesn't, which is why a train service to supply it would be ideal, cause the same supply train could visit several hick towns (this is how it is done today, I have no idea why I'm talking in hypotheticals)

> are you thinking of carrying half-filled trains every week?
Still more efficient and environmentally friendly than 1/4 empty automobiles.

>The alternative, of course, is to run trains less often
No, not of course. The alternative is to run trains with half the cars connected, since you can do that with trains. I find it amazing that we've been having this discussion for several days now but you show no signs of having thought about the topic.

>you're just stranding people like me out in the middle of nowhere just because cars trigger you
Cars don't trigger me, capitalism triggers me. Why would you be stranded? Are you unable to walk or cycle? Don't worry, nobody is taking your mobility scooter away, so you can continue riding that.

>You're arguing from some weird lifestylist emotions.
lol says the guy who is arguing for the preservation of his lifestyle. Can't make this shit up.
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 No.9543

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>>9542
>Pic related
forgot pic
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 No.9562

>>9542
>So? You've internalised the ruling ideology, including the "explanations" of why things must remain the way they are.
No, it's a simple fact of knowing the country and living there. You're the one thinking this is suddenly going to be covered in rail when we still pump water from wells and use septic tanks to store our waste.

>Why not have services and roads in the periphery, and not just in the urban centres?
Because the cost of building that stuff is higher than the individual cost of having someone like me travel 40 mins to town then back to my place.

>Our countries are organised this way because of capitalism.
Not just because of that, and costs like opportunity costs and material costs will always exist.

>Early capitalist factory production necessitated centralisation. Factory production in general requires a level of centralisation (it is the meeting point of various resources and labour), however, we are no longer tied to steam engines and other large machinery. Because of our improved infrastructure, we no longer have to centralise things as we are able to transport energy and goods over large distances.
You very much are still tied to large machinery. How do you think things get made? Have you ever worked in any sort of factory?

>Why would you want to?, you ask. So that people wouldn't have to.
People generally don't mind living with other people. This is actually a positive part of cities. They want to live near their jobs. My job is in the middle of nowhere, so that's where I live. If my job was at a steel mill, for example. I'd live there, and I'd love for you to tell me how you'd make that into a distributed manufacturing process without ending up with towns that literally only house employees for a single product or process. Again, for no net gain, since the cities and infrastructure are already there.

>Housing in the cities costs more because of supply and demand,
Yes, retard. Thanks for re-stating my point. At no point did I say that housing cost more because it was of higher quality in some way.

>Pic related, orange is high-speed, red is regular. Why isn't it worth it? Because you said so?
The smallest town in your map that still has rail has a population of ~8000 and is 19mi from Salzburg, a city with the population of ~156000, mine has a fourth of that, with the closest city having a population of only 12k being close to 40mi away. Do you understand why you're stupid yet?

>As opposed to cars and roads which float above the countryside, touching absolutely nothing. No net gain? You mean no net gain other than the fucking rail line, right?
We have these things called dirt roads. Cars can move just fine on them. Trains can't. Most of our roads except the main one are dirt roads.

>No, it makes sense if there are hundreds of people (including cargo) to move
There aren't.

>Trains go through a bunch of cities and towns in a day, or do you think trains just go from station A to station B and then back? I suggest you look up how stuff works.
Yes, and there aren't enough towns to go through around here unless you're willing to make every trip on the line last all day or run multiple trains for populations so small, you might as well have just let them keep their cars. They'll run less often and cover less distances.

>No, it doesn't, which is why a train service to supply it would be ideal, cause the same supply train could visit several hick towns (this is how it is done today, I have no idea why I'm talking in hypotheticals)
Apparently not. The pic you posted has towns that are at least 4x the average town size in my area if that, along with the fact that most of the US is unpopulated. I get this is hard to understand for someone like you, but these are the facts.

>Still more efficient and environmentally friendly than 1/4 empty automobiles.
An electric automobile running only a part of the time for a small amount of people is more efficient than a train running hourly 24hrs/day. This only works for high population densities.

>No, not of course. The alternative is to run trains with half the cars connected
Yes, and you still have to carry the rest of the train, whereas a single car may take a trip into town once per week if that. At the same time, it can also make a run whenever it is needed. A train cannot do that.

>Cars don't trigger me, capitalism triggers me. Why would you be stranded? Are you unable to walk or cycle?
I'm not going to walk or cycle 40 miles when I have a car.

>lol says the guy who is arguing for the preservation of his lifestyle. Can't make this shit up.
Because you're arguing for really stupid things that only make sense in the mind of someone who's never lived out in a small town and the only reasons you're making these arguments is because you seem to hate cars.
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 No.10591

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Ever since I seen the first gen town car I've just liked the look of them.
And I've heard nothing but good things about how well they work.

Though if any yinz could offer some advice.
My friend's brother has one of these that's been sitting derelict in southwesternmost corner of Pennsylvania for 8 years.
It's been under a garage all that time, which is good, but it's not gone untouched by nature.
The glovebox of the car has some sort of animal's nest in it which spooked me.
Would it be worth the risk of getting it fully detailed, then doing some basic touchups?
It was fully functional when it got put away; I'm just concerned that something substantial's gone awry in that time.

Oh the dude also wants a few hundred for this vehicle he never would have otherwise done anything with and doesn't care about.
Which kind of skeeves me, but I guess that's how it goes.
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 No.10594

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Soviet non-commercial, industrial vehicles are wonderful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZguO5H_Y1Ew

https://youtu.be/L9HXauPhaUw
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 No.10595

Repost:
>Were the automoblies manufactured in the Eastern Bloc as bad as they're potrayed to be?
Eastern Europe is still a manufacturing hub for European vehicles so I think a lot of it is anti-communist propaganda. I don't think they were up to par with American vehicles of the time but they were satisfactory on getting from point A to B which to be fair though America was the OG when it came to automobile manufacturing so topping it would be a hard task especially considering the Soviets had less knowledge, experience, and tech when it came to automobile making.

Since the 70s oil crisis and sending manufacturing else, the USA has obviously fallen to the wayside with automobiles and now the Asia market dominates the world. Nowadays you mostly see people driving subpar Hondas, and Toyotas because getting from A to B is really the most important thing for working class people. Really only petit bourgeois Americans drive their USA USA USA USA made yank tank that's a big fucking truck and is wasteful on gas. Euro cars are either seen as luxurious or are confined to a domestic market because most of them are illegal to sell in the U.S. due to trade restrictions. Most Americans who were not auto enthusiasts had never even heard of Fiat until it bought Chrysler. European cars are not the only ones so restricted. Japanese cars are often similarly restricted when they compete too closely with models produced by supposedly "American" manufacturers.
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 No.10596

I got some juicy stuff on Soviet Cars that I'll post tomorrow. this gonna be gud
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 No.10603

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>tfw ywn own a toyota century
why live?
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 No.10635

are lada's cheap?
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 No.10637

>>10635
Depends on which one and what you want. Soviet ones are pricey now because they're antiques but they used to be cheap. Modern Lada's aren't expensive to make, but due to competition with foreign cars the prices are raised.
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 No.10638

>>10635
>>10637
Tons of old abandoned ones you could probably get for cheap: https://englishrussia.com/2006/09/19/soviet-cars-dump/
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 No.10642

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The Yugo 45 was an engineering marvel and a wonder of the world. It ran on every fuel, it never stopped, it could always start, even if you have to push and pop the clutch, it is indestructible, and it's design is timeless. It was the true people's car.
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 No.10645

File: 1608526593494-0.png ( 110.21 KB , 1646x323 , Lada is OUR CAR.png )

File: 1608526593494-1.png ( 20.76 KB , 988x72 , UKRAINE OUR CARS.png )

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_automobiles
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 No.10646

>>16997
80 wages for a car?
Not really in Soviets favor
http://www.opoccuu.com/autoprices.html
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 No.10647

>>10646
That's the price if you want it upfront. Technically speaking if you place an order you get it for free or cheaper if you wait a few years. And the prices cited are for brand-new cars.

Moreover the wage of the average Soviet worker was pretty quick to rise. My Grandfather was not making more than average and he had 5 different cars and several motorcycles over 50 years.
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 No.10701

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File: 1608526601482-1.jpg ( 106.78 KB , 1400x764 , Czechoslovakian V8 Police ….jpg )

Czechoslovakia completes the proof started with the Lada Niva and UAZ 452 that communism and cars go together like bread and butter.

Less industrialized countries will produce simple easy to repair rock solid vehicles much better than capitalism can manage, while more heavily industrialized countries will produce fun rear engine sport coupes that aren't for bourgeois scum, and will also build lots of race tracks and dominate at rallying (the best motorsport).
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 No.10702

File: 1608526601668-0.jpg ( 221.39 KB , 1535x1063 , Skoda 1.jpg )

File: 1608526601668-1.jpg ( 131.63 KB , 1024x700 , Skoda V8 racer.jpg )

File: 1608526601668-2.jpg ( 223.91 KB , 997x652 , Skoda engine.JPG )

Škoda wanted to make very high quality cars all the time. The first pic was supposed to be sporty version of peoples car with engine in front rather than back (but with rear-drive). They were supposed to make 100.000 cars. But politburo defunct the project :(

But, there were still small shops like Metalex which took parts from big factories and created sports cars for rallying, racing etc. The second pic is the car that was developed in 1980s but was released in 1990s. That car used V8 engine of those Tatras >>10701 which were used as highway patrol and transport of important people. Also last 3rd pic is that V8 engine.

Sometimes I wish the planned economy was a little bit more relaxed. There was always potential. Now Tatra just makes trucks and isn't even Czech anymore…
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 No.10703

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>>10701
>rallying (the best motorsport)
Meet NAMI-0290, an attempt from NAMI in USSR, some of the countries top engineers, to build a fully communist rally car (all components designed/built by communists). Early prototypes were very successful, but as it was nearing completion the Soviet Union fell and the project was defunded, and then one of the lead engineers committed suicide and the rest of the team decided it was over and chopped the car into bits to move on.
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 No.10704

File: 1608526602046-0.jpg ( 2.48 MB , 3648x2736 , SkodaPrototyp720OP1_(2).JPG )

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>>10702
Here is a little bit prettier trim model of that first car (škoda 720).

Also look at this wagon version, It looks like a western car
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 No.10705

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 No.11699

>TFW you repost all the posts from the old threads that were on /leftypol/ and the older /hobby/ thread
>TFW when you spend an entire day making a giant effort post on Soviet/East Bloc automobiles with sources and links
&ltTFW nobody even fucking reads it because people have the attention span of a goldfish
Fuck, this and the rail thread are just criminally under-posted
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 No.11701

>>11699
I'm sorry anon, I just don't understand car fetishism.
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 No.11705

>>11701
Not really fetishism so much as enjoyment of a well made product (or criticism of a poorly made one).
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 No.11714

>>11699
great thread tho
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 No.18730

>TFW your sourced effort post about Eastern Bloc vehicles is completely deleted because of Melon
Fucking retarded board drama

As a side note Nitro Boost in cars explained https://archive.is/N1l0v
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 No.18731

>>18730
>effort post about Eastern Bloc vehicle
I've managed to locate my saved version, will repost soon.
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 No.18737

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Reposting a compilation of information I've written on Soviet cars as promised:
USSR cars were really designed for tough weather conditions. Some had manual starting cranks to start in the winter and manual fuel pumps, allowing the entire vehicle to be driven without a battery. This low-tech design is also good in the even of a nuclear explosion, where EMP radiation would destroy transistorized electronics over a large area. It can be easily converted to run on wood, etc. in the event of a fuel shortage (someone has already done this). They have shortwave radios which allow reception from thousands of miles, and all cars have an included 21-piece toolkit for repairs while driving in Siberia, in the middle of nowhere.

The VAZ-2101 "Zhiguli"[1], was a licensed version of the Fiat 124. However, despite some base components remaining the same, there were significant differences in the soviet car. The main production variants had the original Fiat engine replaced with one designed by the Soviet NAMI; the new engine had a modern overhead camshaft design[2]. The suspension was raised and reinforced for usage in rural areas, the rear brakes were replaced with aluminum drum brakes and the body was made of thicker steel. Far from clean sheet, but not an identical copy either. The Lada Classic or VAZ-2105 was a further evolution of this, and became the third best selling automobile platform after the VW Beetle and Model-T Ford[3], and it is one of the longest production run platforms as well[4] Along side the Volga.
Even if one concedes the Lada Classic’s Fiat roots there are dozens of other soviet cars of independent design, such as the GAZ M-20 Pobeda*[5], which was the first mass produced car to have pontoon sides and integrated headlights. An independent design, with similar cars only seen in the USA 5 years after its creation.

Even the infamous Trabant [6] is not a bad car when compared to other lemons like the Ford Pinto, Gremlin or Pacer. And is quite popular today among collectors.[7] I've never understood the animosity against Trabant; The 2CV production continued until 1990, and Portugal wasn't even communist at that time. The duroplast [8] body and two stroke engines did what they were supposed to do, be fuel-efficient, light personal transport.[9] [10] The 1960 model of Trabant went to 62MpH, had 18 Horse Power and 60 miles per gallon (the standard gas conserving cars in the West at BEST did 35 MpG).
The Duroplast body was both cheap and non-corrosive, as it was made using the cellulose of pulped wood, essentially making use of paper/wood waste products.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAZ-2101
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_camshaft
[3] https://books.google.com/books?id=45ofAQAAIAAJ Car Emblems: The Ultimate Guide to Automotive Logos Worldwide Pg154
[4] whos-left-in-the-old-folks-home-now-that-the-lada-rivas-gone
[5] https://totalcar.hu/magazin/szerelem/pobeda/
[6] https://archive.is/9JcMm
[7] https://archive.is/fF40T
[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duroplast
[9] https://www.autonews.com/letter-editor/trabant-has-been-reliable-mostly
[10] https://www.bhlingual.com/east-germanys-trabant-peoples-car-a-reprieve-blog

Soviet industry exported 300,000-400,000 cars annually, mainly to Soviet Union satellite countries, but also to Northern America, Central and Western Europe, and Latin America. Before its dissolution, the Soviet Union produced 2.1-2.3 million units per year of all types, and was the sixth (previously fifth) largest automotive producer, ranking ninth place in cars, third in trucks, and first in buses. Russian trucks are still quite popular because while America has millions of miles of asphalted roads - many haven't been maintained but they're still better than most Russian highways today - Russian roads are often less road than potholes and often a main road will turn into a gravel track. For all the Americans eulogizing about their Macks, Kenworths and Peterbilts, the vast majority really don’t have to fight the conditions of terrible weather and terrible roads in Siberia that the Russians have to face almost all their working lives and the Russian trucks will only last two or three times longer than their US counterparts. Also, don’t forget that a trucker buying a vehicle in Russia will often be taking a second-hand ex-military unit converted to civilian use, which was standard even in the USSR when roads were maintained.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_the_Soviet_Union
- Data on soviet car exports: https://genby.livejournal.com/267497.html
- Car Prices: http://www.opoccuu.com/autoprices.html
http://back-in-ussr.info/2016/10/ceny-na-avtomobili-v-sssr/
- Soviet Car Ads I: https://archive.vn/KiDGb
- Soviet Car Ads II: http://archive.is/w8K6w
- Soviet Car Ads III: https://archive.vn/SvrX6
- Selling Abroad: https://archive.vn/HNSfU
(Pic 2 related)

Soviet car innovation (Pic 1 related)
- https://archive.vn/rAXvB
- https://archive.vn/tUMzr
- https://archive.is/QCrg9
- https://archive.is/AYR2q
- http://archive.is/X9e31
- https://archive.vn/RZZko
- https://archive.vn/gAEI3
- Afalina: https://archive.vn/HLnXh
- Taxi of the future: https://archive.vn/4YTNN
- SZD invalid car: https://archive.is/45dDe
- Soviet Cabrios: https://archive.vn/syj60
- Minibus: https://archive.vn/xnf8Y
- Zil-112c 'Soviet Cobra': https://archive.is/4HAEG
- Hydrogen Mini-vans: https://archive.vn/IWwLB
- Electrical trucks/Trolleys were efficient: https://archive.vn/8QM4Z
- Early Soviet Trolleys Part 1-3: https://archive.ph/JqU0Z / https://archive.ph/NBy3L / https://archive.ph/o0TE6
- Ural trucks capabilities: https://oborudow.ru/en/sovety/sekrety-sovetskih-kb-eksperimentalnye-uraly-suhoputnye-i/

Power-stations produce electrical energy from the cheapest uranium or from the coal. 1 tonn of coal costs $50 ($2 per 1 GJ) and efficiency of electrical energy producing is 40% – wasting on distribution is about 20% – so, final efficiency is 32%. Transfer of electrical energy on mechanical energy has efficiency about 95%. So energy 1 GJ for the lorry is worth “in coal price” about $6.58 and cost of power-station and distribution of electrical energy – together about $20 per 1 GJ (280 kWh) of mechanical energy. 1 barrel of oil on fuel station cost $100 (in EU with taxes about $200). So it’s $700 per 1 ton ($16 per 1 GJ). The real efficiency of transfer heat energy on mechanical energy is lower than 25% in car transport. For big lorry on the route it can be 40%. So energy 1 GJ for the lorry is worth about $40 ($80 with EU taxes). Final cost is higher.

Motorcycles were fairly popular in the USSR as well such as the ПМЗ-А-750 Русский «Харлей»: https://motos-of-war.ru/ru/motorcycles/pmz-a-750/ and ИЖ-1: https://archive.is/iWxQB

Accounts of Soviet cars in Modern Mechanix
- http://blog.modernmechanix.com/i-drove-through-russia/
- http://blog.modernmechanix.com/russian-iron/
- http://blog.modernmechanix.com/cars-behind-the-iron-curtain/
- https://archive.vn/Dt1zY

Some ancdotal stories of Soviet cars and racing (Pic 3 related)
- https://archive.is/qt4s0
- http://autosoviet.altervista.org/ENGLISH-automotorusse-formula.htm
- https://archive.vn/uUXhv
- https://archive.vn/Hai6f
- https://englishrussia.com/2009/03/26/soviet-racing/#comment-428845 https://archive.vn/9xdMm
- A Russian channel dedicated to Warsaw Pact vehicles military and civilian: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuWhsa1VzH2CB20aBmCmxQw
- Documentary by Zvezda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i9mcU2GEOA
- https://www.drom.ru/info/misc/78884.html

*Pobeda
>Inb4 muh Opel
Opel Kapitan 1940:
- http://gaz20.spb.ru/img/opel/kapitan4.jpg
- http://gaz20.spb.ru/img/opel/kapitan2.jpg
Wooden full-size breadboard model of ‘Pobeda'(1944)
- http://gaz20.spb.ru/img/hist_1943-1945_pic06.jpg
Pre-production model(1945)
- http://gaz20.spb.ru/img/hist_1943-1945_pic12.jpg
Other "muh copies" debunk: from 8:34 - 11:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h714LBj9v-8
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 No.18957

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>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DRIVE AROUND IN A METAL BOX THAT'S BOURGEOISE BECAUSE CARS ARE MARGINALLY EXPENSIVE >:(
>lol love my anime and vydia that takes millions of dollars to produce :)

Pathetic
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 No.18972

>>18957
Based
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 No.18976

>>18957
>>18972
back to reddit, samefag
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 No.18977

>>18976
Not a samefag, retard, go back yourself.
I'm the guy who wrote up >>18737
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 No.18978

File: 1628647326673-0.jpeg ( 4.63 MB , 2300x1534 , fiat131mirafiori1.jpeg )

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Anyone else who loves this gorgeous motherfucking automobile?
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 No.18979

>>18978
I adore these kinds of race cars over stuff like NASCAR

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