/ent/ - Entertainment

>>7658
Well for art I suggest the drawing thread. But to give some comments, Your designs are actually interesting, that ISN'T Toon-boom/beanface/noodle-limbs etc. You have a genuine stylization. I like the first and thirrd pic a lot. The first has a unique face and an expression that reminds me of Cad Bane, and the third shows a clearly surprised punk lady who looks fit yet still feminine, which is important.

The issue isn't that women can't be masculine, but the sheer fact that modern designs try to hide "feminine traits" if anything comes off as sexist rather than pro-female, since it essentially says that "being like a boy makes you a better character, including body-wise" which is a shit idea. She-ra was feminine as all hell, yet she was also powerful enough to kick a planet hard enough to make it fly far away like a billiard-ball.

As for why its lazy and shit
Compare the designs from the 90s and todays >>7665.
Sure they all use similar drawing tricks for the details, but all the designs and over-all stylizations are unique. The elbows and knees are defined, and not parts that just bend when the animation makes it. The characters have shading and their proportions still exist, some are fat or thing or fit.

For example, coming back to She-ra, compare modern Princesses of Power with the old ones. The old ones had distinct designs and you could tell from a glance that these were women and proud of it. The modern princesses look like a bunch of androgynous boys dressed in tights. There is no shading or details, just blocky imitation-watercolor patches coloring in flat line-art.

Look at the detail of the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80qAmwyL_E
The animation is a little glitchy, but back then budgets were tiny and nobody had computers for animation, it was hand-done. The show was also a spin-off of He-man and thus even smaller in budget. Thus it had some minor issues, but the over-all art is amazing with depth and detail, and the animation functions where it matters. What's the point of the motions being smooth 100% of the time when its literally impossible to mis-animate the literal gingerbread-man character given today.

Now here is the modern intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuFQxsRzUws
The first 10 seconds are decent, with a sense of depth and shading… and then everything else loses shading and detail completely and that is representative of the show's animation.
The issue here is that unlike then, they have computer programs that make animation infinitely easier (no hundreds of hand drawings necessary), just take the model and shift it through all the motions and then put over the background layer if you really want to be lazy. The coloring and shading and detail are also easy, especially since those generally stay static anyway, yet its not there. So big budget, new technology still can't make the visual part match the old one in most aspects. The writing isn't much better either but that's not relevant in this thread.

>Inb4 muh calarts
Calarts is generally the reference name due to these animations coming from the CalArts school. TECHNICALLY good animation belongs to Cal-Arts too, which is why I refer to it as Toon-boom to be more specific.

>>7671
thanks for the art comments kind stranger, the first and second drawings are some OCs for a hand-drawn animation project I intend to do, the third one is based on a she-ra screenshot of scorpia, your actually right about the new she-ra style, it is easier to draw (I have like what, half a year or so of drawing experience and I can do a half-decent drawing based on that) so y'know, thanks for the observations

>>7671
also I don't feel the new she-ra is that bad with character design, they all have varying body types and different silouettes, the main issue is lack of boobs I guess, but they don't seem that overstated IRL to me

>>7683
>they don't have tits omg
who gives a shit? It's a kid's show. Also the chick on the right side does.

>>7683
I always thought the she-ra out fit was armor

>>7684
>Who gives a shit
Me and a lot of other people for a number of reasons
1) It is a reboot of an 80s series, if it wasn't meant for the fans then why reboot an old and well-known property? This isn't something obscure enough to be handwaved.
2) Feminity matters because the lack of it implies, as I said before, that it essentially says that "being like a boy makes you a better character, including body-wise" which is a shit idea. She-ra was feminine as all hell, yet she was also powerful enough to kick a planet hard enough to make it fly far away like a billiard-ball
3) It's lazy, because I assure you that the lack of breasts is more out of the fact that the animators couldn't be bothered to try and draw a simple curve
>right side does
If their hair wasn't long and it wasn't explicitly known that this is she-ra they'd look 100% like a really buff man.

Also inb4 "girls don't care about no tits" see pic related. The idea that "big boobs bad" is outright sexist except instead of coming from "le patriatchy" its from virtue signaling feminists.

>>7685
Well technically its a magic suit. Its got plot-armor, but isn't really armor.

>>7691 (me)
>explicitly known that this is she-ra
She-ra as in the show.

>>7691
yeah, but average sized boobs, IRL, just don't stick out that much, when stylizing, you should do something to mark the boobs instead of leaving it blank, but the racks of the OG she-ra were exagerated

>>7693
well I mean oversized, not exagerated, but my point still stands

>>7693
>he racks of the OG she-ra were exagerated
Are you kidding me? The example I posted in >>7683 is roughly the same as OG She-Ra my man. I mean, heck look at Korra. That show was trash but they had the designs down pat. Even Katara had some definition. what I'm saying is that its just comes off as lousy. No-one is saying give them a rack bigger than Tsunade, but they shouldn't be boy-stand-ins either.

>>7695
oh, prolly, well, the cloth doesn't stick that way, but I understand what your saying, the reboot has no boobs and the females only look feminine because of colour schemes and costumes, now can we stop talking about boobs in kids shows and get to the point about toon boom things, the quality of the animation, and whatnot, she-ra's style is contemporary, but it's not that noodle limbed and is in fact, half-way realistic in porportions, unlike many other shows nowadays, and I wanna know specific reasons why, the strengths and weaknesses of the artstyle, and if we're feeling derail-y, storylines

>>7697
>I wanna know specific reasons why, the strengths and weaknesses of the artstyle
Well pic 1's middle part in >>7671 explains this somewhat.
Essentially its flat and simple to be cheap and easy to mass-produce in a day or so to make lots of episodes in a single year. The rounded edges and lack of definite joints are more "friendly" and thus people are more likely to accept whatever shit is on screen, even if its horrific or controversial. The lack of detail and proper limb definition means that motion and poses can be made however you like, even if its stupid. Thus you don't bother with being proportionate, because there are none.
This all leads to having inane, boring story lines usually with shoved in drama and PC ideology. There are exceptions but they are not common, pic related is an example. SU is shite from every angle (go to the SU thread for clarity) meanwhile gumball takes advantage of their limitations and creates a creative show.

>>7698
Ok, so I followed you so far with the fact that beanbag style is cheap and easy, but how does that tie into PC ideology, is that just the "friendly" inoffensive style that draws that crowd?

>>7699
>how does that tie into PC ideology
&ltfriendly
That's part of it. It also lends itself to liberals like Rebecca Sugar to insert their sick fantasies without looking like pedos and degenerates. In the Steven Universe thread there is a youtube review (very arcastic) by E;R who between his jew jokes, points out that the ideology being espoused through the gems is essentially gender-pseudo-science created by child-abuser Dr. Money who's theories were disproven. This is not a unique example, the same applies to the creator of Thundercat's Roar for example.

TL;DR: Using the "It's just a drawing" argument to allow the characters to carry out fetishes and ideological beliefs just short of actual porn and straight up telling the audience the idea.

>>7700
you mean the fusing nonsense that steven can do and no one, not even me, who sees sexual shit everywhere he looks, thinks is paedophilia until they really think about it and some statements sugar made

>>7700
I'm like half-way through the review, look, I understand that making kids' shows is hard, but don't sexual in it, fuck, wow, and I thought it was dumb but wholesome

>>7702
That's the hecking point

>>7703
Yep. That's why I hate the show passively. It is worse than nazi propaganda because while nai propaganda is generally blatant and easy to see, Steven-shit is subversive and hidden, like a wolf in sheeps clothing, worming itself into your mind subtly.

>>7705
so in conclusion, gender is literally a spook, and saying otherwise is acknowledging a paedophile's fantasies as legit

>>7698
Wait a second….
Why did a show designed for mass production….
Only ever release about a week’s worth of episodes every six months?

>>7707
I have no clue, laziness, I mean the guys writing the show only storyboarded, the animation was don in korea,episodes take 9 monthes to make, I have no idea how

>>7671
how the fuck do computers help with traditional animation, what's the process?

>>7709
Look at pics related. In the old days to just do that and make it into a functioning cartoon took hours of hand-drawn work, usually with cel-animation. This requires consistent steady drawing and thus quickly made animation was a bit jerky and lacked detail. To make up for this often recolors and re-backgrounded material was used to save time. Today you just have to 'draw' a model on a computer, use vector points to do various motions and then put it on a background layer. Its simple, easy and cheap. To be fair Steven Universe seems to use hand-drawn shit, however it never stays consistent. Peridot shrank in half between seasons and half the time proportions and perspective are inconsistent. Even doing that a computer helps run through editing systems which makes synchronising sound a hell of a lot easier compared to the old reel record methods. Honestly you probably don't remember what a breakthrough the VHS tape was for recording something.
https://homesthetics.net/cel-animation/#:~:text=Cel%20animation%20is%20the%20traditional,were%20created%20using%20cel%20animation.

>>7709
>>7712
TL;DR: Put drawing in the computer and it lets you do all the motions without having to redraw the character repeatedly for each motion.

>>7713
so basically, animating for wimps and cowards

>>7698
>generic cartoon shows promote trannies and communism
/co/fags have brain cancer

I honestly could've give a shit, i don't watch kid's cartoons. The shows i do watch are indie and created by individual animators so it's more diverse.

>>7720
couldn't*

>>7715
2d animation*, 3d is still very difficult if you don't have a good technical director helping you with the rig

>>7719
They're not wrong on the first part, they just conflate radical liberalism with communism.

>>7691
>ive had d cups since i was 14-15
hot

>>7691
>>7691
Adora has tits though.

>>7685
It's a breastplate, yes. More significant than the lack of boob shape is that her entire torso is covered in the new version instead of showing off cleavage. Plate usually leaves a significant gap between your body and the metal plating, so the armor doesn't much reflect the shape of the body inside. You can have boob-plate armor but it's just for appearance and is equally as goofy as the musculata that the Romans had for gladiators.

>>7695
I don't think SheRa looks un-feminine in the cartoon. The art style tends toward all the characters looking kind of androgynous (being that it's cartoony). If anything I would argue they didn't draw her muscular enough for how strong she's supposed to be. Being muscular and being feminine are not at odds with each other.

Just a reminder that the new Animaniacs reboot (which will also be done in toonboom style) removed Minerva Mink and Hello Nurse for being "too sexual (when there is literal twerking in the Power Puff Girls reboot), Slappy Squirrel is gone (for whatever reason) and they won't allow guns or jokes involving tobacco or acohol. Also Rita the cat and her whole section is gone because they can't be bothered to pay the VA enough monies.

>>9685
fucking gay, I don't know what these shows are, but that's pretty stupid

>>9687
Animaniacs is one of the best 90s cartoons. It was funny, well animated, had good style and was intelligent. Probably one of the best cartoon TV series.

>>7695
those boobs are d-cups and fabric don't cling that way

>>9688
oh, pity what they're doing, seems nice, why are kids shows getting sexualized, like there was this episode of teen titans go, I can't remember what they were doing, but it disturbed even me, a guy who occasionally jacked off to guro

>>9688
No it wasn’t. It had a bunch of Hollywood inside jokes that required reading “The Variety” in a kids show for some reason. Only the 3 main characters and Pinky and the Brain were any good, and it beat what good joke it had into the ground. Also it is full of boomer humor that would make a modern child cringe. I have no idea who watched this show but it was brainlets. “Tiny Toons” was far better.

>>7691
No, big boobs are sexist because poor ugly guys that’s aren’t Chad like looking at them.

>>9689
>fabric don't work this way
&ltmagical clothes summoned by a power-sword have to abide by physics
Have you seen Yoga shirts my dude?

>>9692
>that required reading “The Variety”
Uh, no. Thy're fairly obvious to anyone who is even remotely familiar with pop-culture in the 90s. Or are you telling me that The Godfather, Prince, or One Flew Over the Cuckoo Clock are obscure references?
>Only 3 characters
&ltHas never seen Rita
&ltHas never seen Slappy
&ltHas never seen the Pigeons
&ltHas never seen the show
>beat the jokes into the ground
Yes, sure they did, despite each episode being wildly different and only having a few consistent sections such as the Wheel of Morality and Good idea/Bad idea which simple pieces done for mild humor and to get the show through the 'educational' value regulations.
>Muh Boomer humor
Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about.
>modern child cringe
Yeah, no.
1) Modern children who think shows like TTG and Loud House are good are a terrible standard of judgement
2) The show was made in the 90s and appealed to kids from that era. Obviously there is dated humor, its been 30+ years.
>Tiny Toons was better
Yeah and Baby Looney Toons too right? Fuck off. The only brainlet is you.

>>9695
At this point I can't even tell if this is unironic or not.

>>7671
The SheRa reboot actually has pretty decent animation. The characters do plenty of unique poses and take advantage of being a cartoon.

>>7683
The picture they released originally is actually kind of off-model. I think they changed the proportions a bit after people got mad.

>>9695
>>7691
>>9698
Actual IRL women sometimes get harassed (mostly by other women) for being "too sexual" because of their bust size is large. It's the same kind of shit as incels complaining about Chad's jawline except it's got a degree of institutional power behind it.

>>9698
what do you mean yoga shirt, I've seen a pic and I think you're refering to the undershirt thing, I'm saying fabric doesn't cling to the underside of boobs naturally, and this is a fucking kids' show dude, while we shouldn't hide boobies, we should emphasize them either, they're a part of the body and they don't tend to be that big IRL

>>9703
>they don't tend to be that big IRL
>Don't cling to bottom of breasts
Tight-fitting shirts DO that and breasts can be plenty big IRL, it depends on the girl.

>>9701
>IRL women sometimes get harassed (mostly by other women) for being "too sexual"
I've only seen this in feminist forums, but I believe it. The modern West is cucked as fuck in regards to women being feminine, which is ironic as fuck. I keep coming back to Soviet women and their attitudes and being blown away at how idiotic modern feminism is.

>>9701
>changed the proportions a bit after people got mad.
Yeah, I just think it's not enough really. It comes off as rather mediocre and over-detailed in areas that DON'T require excessive detail.

>>9701
The animation is ok for modern standards, the art-style combined with the lax-effort is what bothered me.

>>9710
>Tight-fitting shirts DO that and breasts can be plenty big IRL, it depends on the girl
Yes, breast size does depend on the girl, and they can reach pretty enormous sizes, however, it's not that common, and the fabric that clings beneathe the breasts is usually held there by something, I'd hazard you'd see it more on sweat drenched girls in baggy shirts, as the tight stuff holds the breasts down

>>9698
>Uh, no. Thy're fairly obvious to anyone who is even remotely familiar with pop-culture in the 90s. Or are you telling me that The Godfather, Prince, or One Flew Over the Cuckoo Clock are obscure references?
Everyone but Prince was long out of the zeitgeist by the 90's. And they made far more obscure references to people like fucking Jerry Lewis and directors. Can't tell you how many jokes were about Spielberg himself, like anyone watching a cartoon gives a fuck about Hollywood gossip.
Not a single script in "Tiny Toons" was written after 1991 but it aired into the 2000's while Animaniacs pretty much disappeared after it's initial run. I never even see Animaniacs mentioned in 90's retrospectives, much less see nostalgia for it.
&ltHas never seen Rita
Barely even a character and more like fan service to theater weenies.
&ltHas never seen Slappy
An insufferable git and Mary Sue. If you want to see this character done correctly see Mama from "Mama's Family" a show that was far funnier even to children, and wasn't even intended for kids.
&ltHas never seen the Pigeons
Another fucking reference to a movie kids wouldn't have watched. And despite it's popularity, plenty of adults didn't like the mob film genre. Also it wasn't even a good parody of "The Goodfellas" I still don't get why the middle pigeons grimaces, is that supposed to be Ray Liotas character? He doesn't do anything like that.
&ltHas never seen the show
I've seen the show plenty of times.
>Yes, sure they did, despite each episode being wildly different and only having a few consistent sections such as the Wheel of Morality and Good idea/Bad idea which simple pieces done for mild humor and to get the show through the 'educational' value regulations.
Each episode wasn't wildly different. Especially the Wako, Yakko and Dot's segments. And instead of making jokes about universal human conditions and struggles, half the jokes were pop culture references and again Hollywood inside jokes.
And the show was only 21 minutes, so having even a few recurring segments like "Wheel of Morality" could eat up 10% of the actually show.
>Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about.
No child cares about fucking directors, or that George Orwell was fat and an asshole. Those golden age hollywood jokes are Boomer humor through and through because they grew up watching those movies on TV in the form of reruns.
>1) Modern children who think shows like TTG and Loud House are good are a terrible standard of judgement
TTG is good and so is the Loud House, and they are the antithesis of what Animaniacs was. They actually speak to children's experiences. TTG is 10 times more popular and long running than Animaniacs. Animaniacs never had legs, it only popped because it was better than the Milquetoast cartoons being produced at the time. This is why Animaniacs' successor "Freakazoid" fell flat on it's face.
>2) The show was made in the 90s and appealed to kids from that era.
It was cartoon with a decent budget broadcasting on public airwaves, so basically it had a monopolistic advantage that other cartoons on cable didn't. That's why it was so watched. It got overshadowed in it's own time by fucking "Pokemon" which is boring as fuck.
>Obviously there is dated humor, its been 30+ years.
Good humor is never dated, see every Warner Bro's shorts that can be as much as 80 years old.
>Yeah and Baby Looney Toons too right? Fuck off. The only brainlet is you.
Lol two different shows.

>>9695
>At this point I can't even tell if this is unironic or not.
It's not ironic. All this anger at objectification is pure 3rd wave "All sex is rape under patriarchy" feminist misandry.
Like any good lie there's kernels of truth to it. Men do fetishize large breasts, but that's mostly because large breasts read better visually IN A VISUAL MEDIUM and men are attracted to the female form. All this REEEEEing at benign expressions of cis male sexuality is really because the 1st world, especially the US, commodifies sexuality so much, so the idea of poor men getting sexual gratification "for free" pisses women off.

>>9716
>Yes, breast size does depend on the girl, and they can reach pretty enormous sizes, however, it's not that common,
Nothing that is seen or happens in TV is "common" which is why it's interesting. Point is is that feminists claim slim large breasted women are "unrealistic" when these women are quite real.
Bagging on the depiction of big boobed women moves the beauty standard from one arbitrary standard to another.

>>9723
they're not unrealistic, they're just not common, and the reboot adora had average sized boobies that didn't need fixing, if you wanted to change 'em, good for you, but it wasn't broke to begin with

>>9726
>they're not unrealistic, they're just not common,
Most people don't want to see common things in media. They want to see and experience things they can't. Real life is very mundane in first world countries.

>>9721
>Everyone but Prince was long out of the zeitgeist by the 90's
Yeah, no.
>They made far more obscure references to people like fucking Jerry Lewis and directors
hich wasn't all that obscure back then MFW. I feel like you're a millenial who doesn't even know what the 90s were like.
>I never even see Animaniacs mentioned in 90's retrospective
Watchmojo, Top Tenz, and basically every youtube video about 90s cartoons I have seen has had Animaniacs listed as well as Tiny Toons.
>Tiny Toons lasted til the 2000s
Tiny Toons lasted from 1990-1992 with 98 episodes. Animaniacs ran from 1993 to 1998 with 99 episodes. Both were in re-runs into the 2000s. Tiny Toons stopped being funny to me when I was 8 or 9. Animaniacs still makes me laugh.
>Barely even a character
>fan service to theater weenies
Thanks for confirming you have done little more than read a wiki page.
>An insufferable git and Mary Sue
&ltSlappy Squirrel - a cranky old toon is a Mary Sue
Stop using words you don't understand
>"Mama's Family" did it right!!!!!
Did you jsut type in "cranky old person TV show" in google or something? And are you seriously comparing a comedic segment of a cartoon to a literal sitcom? Wow
>Another fucking reference to a movie kids wouldn't have watched
Listen bud, just because you were an insufferable little baby when you were kid, doesn't mean that other kids didn't watch films like that. I watched Godfather when I was 12 and even before that, the Italian stereotypes and Mafia-stereotypes were familiar to me because POP-FUCKING-CULTURE
>plenty of adults didn't like the mob film genre
Yeah you're either a troll or projecting, because Godfather, Godfather II, Sopranos, Scarface, Goodfellas, The Untouchables etc. were some of the most popular films/TV series of their time. Honestly just stop talking about shit you don't know.
>I've seen the show plenty of times
&ltHurr I hate the show so I watch it plenty of times
&ltI totally watched it guyz, even though my understanding of film references are abysmal and think that my personal dislike of pop-culture means that it isn't popular culture!

>instead of making jokes about universal human conditions and struggles
1) They did do those jokes
2) If that's all that you care about your sense of humor is fucking stunted
>the show was only 21 minutes, so having even a few recurring segments like "Wheel of Morality" could eat up 10% of the actually show
So fucking what?
>TTG is good and so is the Loud House
Yeah you're definitely a troll or an idiot.
>They actually speak to children's experiences
&ltThe show about screaming caricatures of DC characters who behave like literal retards and promote hysterical and infantile behaviour is good
&ltThe show about a bunch of whiny shit-head brats with so much incest vibes that there are entire threads dedicated to making pornography of them
Fucking Fairly Odd Parents and Phineas and Ferb were better shows than that garbage.
>Muh Boomer humor
&ltNo child
Projection
>Muh Directors, muh Orwell.
Just stop talking. Kids aren't retarded and pop-culture is something that goes beyond actually seeing media, I have never watched pokemon in my life or played the game but I fucking know the basics of it. I never watched Digimon but I know who Renamon is. I never read 99% of Marvel or DC comics, and the only superhero movies I've seen were in the past couple years, and never as a kid, yet I still knew who superman or ironman or captain america were, because pop-culture is popular because people will know of it through second-hand or tertiary sources regardless. People get the "Fingering Prince" joke because it was well known that he was a faggot. Even kids knew of the "Michael Jackson pedo" memery even when it was all bullshit rumor. Fucking Ghostbusters and He-man and Schwarznegger were known to everyone even if not every kid has seen Commando or Predator or True Lies.
You have no conception of what pop-culture is, yet kep harping on about it.
>basically it had a monopolistic advantage that other cartoons on cable didn't
Except there were a lot of cartoons in the 90s including other Warner's Productions and Disney productions and Batman TAS, All the stuff on Nickolodeon etc. that were SUPER popular on their own.
>It got overshadowed in it's own time by fucking "Pokemon"
Animaniacs began running in 1993 and ended in 1998 with the last year being mostly re-runs. Pokemon was produced in 1997 and reached america then and gained popularity over time because of the videogame and novelty of "jap toons" that weren't 'hardcore' (like Akira or GiS) so you're wrong again.
Just an FYI TIny TOons and Animaniacs were created by the same people and in the same time frame
https://roosterillusionreviews.com/2017/03/25/saturday-morning-cartoons-comparing-tiny-toons-and-animaniacs-from-childhood-to-adulthood/
>Good humor is never dated
Ok Nostalgia critic, keep telling yourself that.
>every Warner Bro's shorts that can be as much as 80 years old
Yeah I'm sure that Bugs Bunny in blackface is great humor today or depictions of japanese as rats or depictions of Russians as lumbering retards. Looney Toons best "humor" comes from Acme gags, and those are very basic-fucking jokes with little complexity, which is why they laugh. The only reason it's funny is because it's a cartoon so when Wiley Coyote gets his head squashed flat its not horrifying but silly. Most Warner shorts aren't all that funny and rely on monotonous gags that are essentially the same joke as the last 20 shorts, which gets fairly boring. Even Tom & Jerry did it better because they embraced the style properly; almost none of the animals talk except the dog and duck sometimes, Tom and Jerry's relationship changes per episode and the gags are always different. With Wiley Coyote you could make a 20 minute video of just him getting squashed flat because the joke is so samefaced it's disgusting
>Lol two different shows.
Tiny Toons and Animaniacs have a lot of similarities

>All this anger at objectification is pure 3rd wave "All sex is rape under patriarchy" feminist misandry.
Correct. Honestly how can you have such abysmal understanding of Animaniacs, yet state such an accurate statement.

>>9698
>One Flew Over the Cuckoo Clock
damn that really is an obscure reference

thanks for that brief moment of levity fam

>>7698
Courage the Cowardly Dog had pretty simplistic character design but I wouldn't characterize it as inane or boring.

>>9730
>You didn't watch the show, you just got your opinion second hand.
Half your arguments are just this, I'll address them up front.
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>Everyone but Prince was long out of the zeitgeist by the 90's
>Yeah, no.
Yeah, 'fraid so. 20 year old movie and celerity references would be considered passe now, much less in the pre internet 90's
>hich wasn't all that obscure back then MFW.
I don't know what "hich" is but Jerry Lewis was famous in the fucking 60's, and his act and movies were exactly no where in the 90's. Those kind of references were the kind of industry navel gazing I'm talking about.
>I feel like you're a millenial who doesn't even know what the 90s were like.
This basically admits you have to have watched the show during it's prime to appreciate it. That it doesn't stand on it's own merits.
>I never even see Animaniacs mentioned in 90's retrospective
>Watchmojo, Top Tenz, and basically every youtube video about 90s cartoons I have seen has had Animaniacs listed as well as Tiny Toons.
I've seen plenty that don't ever list them. But here's one they always list "The Disney Afternoon" block.
>Tiny Toons lasted from 1990-1992 with 98 episodes.
It was in syndication until the early 2000's. Which is why the last videogame made for it was released in 2003. Meanwhile I've NEVER seen Anamaniacs merchandising anywhere. And Tiny Toons was not canceled. They had a hard stop in their contract to never produce more than 98 episodes without Spielberg's approval. He didn't renew it because he didn't have the time, he was riding high with shit like Jurassic Park. He famously didn't approval of sequels to "Rodger Rabbit" which was a far bigger property for the same reason.
&ltSlappy Squirrel - a cranky old toon is a Mary Sue
She was, she was always "right" from the jump and always had the upper hand. Was bitter toward every fucking thing with that "I can't believe how dumb every person but me is." attitude. She was a boomer personified.
>"Mama's Family" did it right!!!!!
YES
The writing was slick enough to give the character the actual ability to point out the hypocrisies of the other characters. And they lay out WHY she is so wise. It was because she lived as survived a lot of turmoil with dignity. Slappy missed all of that and she's bitter and entitled just because she's old.
>Listen bud, just because you were an insufferable little baby when you were kid, doesn't mean that other kids didn't watch films like that. I watched Godfather when I was 12 and even before that, the Italian stereotypes and Mafia-stereotypes were familiar to me because POP-FUCKING-CULTURE
Just because you and your cinephile nerd friends loved that move to pieces does not make it pop culture. It barely made 50 million at the box office. It's not even in the top 25 highest grossing 90's movies. It's not even close. It as riding off the coattails the Godfather with only Gen X'ers think is amazing. The tide is finally turning on Godfather II and III and I regularly see people calling it for the shit movies that they were.
The mod genre sucks, and "The Godfellas" was the last big Hollywood mob movie. The mob genre would have one last gasp on TV with "The Sopranos" which is Reddit af before disappearing for fucking good. And good riddance.
>Yeah you're either a troll or projecting, because Godfather, Godfather II, Sopranos, Scarface, Goodfellas, The Untouchables etc. were some of the most popular films/TV series of their time. Honestly just stop talking about shit you don't know.
Who the fuck talks about "The Untouchables"? And "Scarface" is only liked by dumb wannabe gangsta rap listening dumb asses that completely miss the point of the fucking movie.

>instead of making jokes about universal human conditions and struggles
>1) They did do those jokes
The really didn't, they took Disney's "Aladdin" formula of making pop culture references and leaned on it like a crutch. The difference is is that they wrote "Aladdin" in a way that didn't require you to know the reference to get the humor. They didn't do that in "Anamaniacs", and it's lazy af writing.
>the show was only 21 minutes, so having even a few recurring segments like "Wheel of Morality" could eat up 10% of the actually show
>So fucking what?
It means that not every episode "WaS ComPleTy DiFFerEnT" like you claim.
>TTG is good and so is the Loud House
>Yeah you're definitely a troll or an idiot.
You're a manchild that can't stand children's cartoons that *gasp* are written to the tastes of modern day children and not your childhood self in the 90's.
&ltThe show about screaming caricatures of DC characters who behave like literal retards and promote hysterical and infantile behaviour is good
It does meta humor way better "Anamaniacs" ever did. For one it's meta humor about comics. Guess what asshole, children read comics. What they don't do is watch "TMZ" and read "The Inquirer".
>Muh Directors, muh Orwell.
The 40's through the 70's aren't an endless source of fascination. No one gives a fuck about decades old entertainment industry politics, especially children.
>People get the "Fingering Prince" joke because it was well known that he was a faggot.
The show was aimed at tweens. And pre Tumblr people weren't obsessed with entertainers' sexuality except bitchy gossip mongers like you. And he dated fucking Carmen Electra, he was at best bi anyway.
And no, pretty much everyone missed the "Fingering Prince" joke when it first aired, which is why the show never suffered any reprimands from the FCC.
>Fucking Ghostbusters and He-man and Schwarznegger were known to everyone even if not every kid has seen Commando or Predator or True Lies.
Yes, but Anamaniacs didn't reference those pop culture icons. Probably because they didn't belong to Warner. They referenced a bunch of old shit only film nerds knew about.
>Except there were a lot of cartoons in the 90s including other Warner's Productions and Disney productions and Batman TAS, All the stuff on Nickolodeon etc. that were SUPER popular on their own.
Point is "Anamaniacs" got as big as it did because it was broadcast over the public airwaves. ANY half way decently put together cartoon would have reached the same popularity if they had the same advantages.
>Animaniacs began running in 1993 and ended in 1998 with the last year being mostly re-runs. Pokemon was produced in 1997 and reached america then and gained popularity over time because of the videogame and novelty of "jap toons" that weren't 'hardcore' (like Akira or GiS) so you're wrong again.
They didn't renew "Anamaniacs" because half assed Japanese cartoons were a run away hit in the ratings. There were other time slots to fill, "Anamaniacs" could have filled those, but they didn't because even they knew their time was up. The only reason why that show even got as big as it did is because Disney stopped putting real money into "The Disney Afternoon".
>Just an FYI TIny TOons and Animaniacs were created by the same people and in the same time frame
Yes I know.
>Good humor is never dated
>Ok Nostalgia critic, keep telling yourself that.
Cope, this is why young men and women will still rock Spongebob and Looney Tunes while Anamaniacs has bee all but forgotten.
>Yeah I'm sure that Bugs Bunny in blackface is great humor today or depictions of japanese as rats or depictions of Russians as lumbering retards
Lol, nice cherry picking.
>Tiny Toons and Animaniacs have a lot of similarities
Sure, but they're philosophies are different. "Tiny Toons" wasn't trying to be nearly as meta as "Anamaniacs".
>>9730

>>9745
Courage the Cowardly Dog had a lot of detail and was very absurdist. Modern shit got nothing on Courage.

>>9746
>COPE
Ok fag, thanks for admitting you're wrong
>20 year old movie and celerity references would be considered passe now
Because today's "culture" have things fade into obscurity within 2 years. Back then things were slower and good thing too.
>basically admits you have to have watched the show during it's prime to appreciate
Fallacious argumentation. There are tons of things from the 90s that I liked then and rewatching them now, I see they were pretty sub-par. Mummies Alive was cool to me back then, but rewatching a few episodes I realized that, beyond the concept and art-style, the show was poorly done and resembled a mashup of Mighty Max and Gargoyles.
>here's one they always list "The Disney Afternoon" block
Because Disney is the biggest cartoon producer in the world. Also that's shifting goalposts since the original point was about "muh Tiny Toons"
>she was always "right" from the jump and always had the upper hand
No, she wasn't there are plenty of times her Ornery attitude got her more trouble than she would like
>bitter
She's a washed up spinster on a pension, that's the joke - she's a rough personality but not wrong usually becasue experience is everything IRL.
>boomer personified
Boo hoo hoo
>Slappy missed all of that
Wrong. You're comparing a set of 5-10 minute short sequences to an entire dedicated TV show with 20+ minutes each episode dedicated to the character. The comparison is beyond apples to oranges and more apples to watermelons
>you and your cinephile nerd friends
I was never a nerd, far from it actually, I probably spent more time outside than I did inside as a kid. I still managed to see quality classic films in the meantime.
>does not make it pop culture
Godfather is one of the most applauded films in history
>Muh monies!!!!
That's not a measure of quality. Fucking Last Jedi made 100s of millions on the first day, and that is meaningless to the quality or popularity of the film.
>Not the highest grossing
That doesn't make it not Pop Culture you imbecile
>I regularly see people calling it for the shit movies that they were
Everyone knows the third film was trash you retard, and no-one in their right mind calls Godfather I or II bad. Edgy, no-name counter-culture-fags don't count.
>"The Sopranos" is Reddit af
You sound too dumb to breath, do you have a respirator on hand? Or an Iron Lung?
>"Scarface" is only liked by dumb wannabe gangsta rap listening dumb asses that completely miss the point of the fucking movie.
LOL, keep telling yourself that.
>Goodfellas was the last big Hollywood mob movie.
And? So fucking what? It had a lasting impact as did many films. People still reference 80s movies today and constantly reboot 80s series and films because of how impactful they are.
>Mob genre sucks
Ok kid, we get it, you hate your parents
>The really didn't
They did, but keep deluding yourself
>They stole Aladdin's shtick
No. That is not Aladdin's shtick, that is Robin Williams' shtick and that kind of humor was popular in the 90s. George Carlin did it, Williams did it, and literally every other cartoon of the decade did that kind of thing, because that was the humor of the time, just like slapstick was the primary humor of the silent-era.
>means that not every episode was completely different
&lt10% similarity means they're the same
&ltI'm going to take a sentence at utterly literal value because nitpicking is my only argument
Ok, so that means that Bananas and humans are almost the same then since they share a large percentage of their DNA, right?

>You'r a manchild
&ltfrom a person who likes a literal screaming child shitshow
Ok troll
>written to the tastes of modern day children
They're not written to their tastes, they SHAPE those tastes you absolute dolt and in turn shape their behaviors. The phrase "impressionable children" is born out of material reality.
>It does meta humor way better
No, it really doesn't. It's so painfully on the nose that it's mindnumbing
>they don't do is watch "TMZ" and read "The Inquirer
Ok kid, keep hating your parental strawman, I'm sure that therapy is helping
>They read comics
You mean the comics where in the past decade we get absolute abysmal proportions, liberal feminism and other absolute trash?
TTG is ONLY liked by babies who are 7 or younger and haven't had the opportunity of seeing something better. FFS even the original TMNT was way better
>No one gives a fuck about decades old entertainment industry politics, especially children
Your own personal infantile tastes are your own.
>The show was aimed at tweens
Yes and tweens find the idea of butt jokes to be funny idiot. People weren't sensitive pussies back then so a gay joke about butts wasn't taken seriously and was undeerstood by just about everyone.
>pre Tumblr people weren't obsessed with entertainers' sexuality
Ironically you prove my point. They weren't obsessed, they pointed and laughed and moved on.
>gossip mongers
LOL ok faggot, joking about someone being gay is totally hating on them, even when I actually remember shit like the Prince/Jackson conflicts and other shit involving him and actually listened to his music, back when radio wasn't screaming ghetto-wannabes
>why the show never suffered any reprimands from the FCC
&lteveryone missed it so much that it was one of the most famous dirty jokes of the series
The FCC moderated open sexual humor and swearing and shit, not puns like that.
>Anamaniacs didn't reference those pop culture icons
They did https://iv1.lisimg.com/image/4718702/432full.jpg A True LIes reference in the middle of one of Slappy's gigs and there was a T-1000 in another gag.
Ghostbusters was referenced once if I recall, but not again because there was a Ghostbusters show at the time, Extreme Ghostbusters
>It was broadcast over the public airwaves
And so were a dozen other toons, yet people remember Animaniacs over many of the competition.
>They didn't renew "Anamaniacs"
They didn't renew it because its run was over after 5 years. They still did reruns for years after. Your argument is nonsense
>Yes I know
No you don't or you wouldn't make such a dumbass comparison.
> this is why young men and women will still rock Spongebob and Looney Tunes
LOL
1) Spongebob is a newer series and has been making new seasons.
2) Spongebob's newer seasons are generally disliked by anyone who watched earlier seasons
3) the Looney Toons reboot was torn apart for its shittiness and is forgotten about, no-one remembers it, and only remembers the old one, which doesn't air anymore
4) Animaniacs is getting a (shitty) reboot and clearly its popular enough for it.
>nice cherry picking
It's not cherrypicking. You stated 80 years and racist depictions were a part of Looney Toons into the 60s Moreover the comparison was garbage
>wasn't trying to be nearly as meta
LOL no, you didn't watch that either, did you?

Please just shut the fuck up about this shit.
You people have infected three threads with this shit already.

>>9750
>Ok fag, thanks for admitting you're wrong
Gigacope
>Because today's "culture" have things fade into obscurity within 2 years. Back then things were slower and good thing too.
Lol, sure buddy, you say this in a year where Kanye West is running for President.
Celebrity is far and away bigger than it was in the 90's. There's celebrities who have been famous for a decade plus now.
>Because Disney is the biggest cartoon producer in the world.
The Disney Afternoon was high quality because no one had ever put that kind of budget behind after school cartoons, not because Disney specialized in cartoons. You act like WB wasn't a huge producer of cartoons themselves.
>She's a washed up spinster on a pension, that's the joke
It's not a funny joke.
>Wrong. You're comparing a set of 5-10 minute short sequences to an entire dedicated TV show with 20+ minutes each episode dedicated to the character. The comparison is beyond apples to oranges and more apples to watermelons
There's plenty of shorts that have successfully filled in characters with rich back stories. And as you said slappy shorts ran for 5 fucking years. Plenty of time to fill her character out.
>I was never a nerd, far from it actually, I probably spent more time outside than I did inside as a kid. I still managed to see quality classic films in the meantime.
The average child was not going to see "The Goodfellas".
>does not make it pop culture
>Godfather is one of the most applauded films in history
Pop is short for POPULAR. Not "good" idiot.
>Muh monies!!!!
>That's not a measure of quality.
IT IS THE MEASURE OF POPULARITY
>Not the highest grossing
>That doesn't make it not Pop Culture you imbecile
It does, because not that many people actually went out to see it. I've been watching nerds like you push "Goodfellas" as pop culture for a decade now. Among my friends, I'm the only one that's watched it. It's not compelling to the average person for it's theme alone.
>Everyone knows the third film was trash you retard, and no-one in their right mind calls Godfather I or II bad. Edgy, no-name counter-culture-fags don't count.
II was bad, and more people are saying it. I'm talking about normal people. Sorry, you're dumb movie might have been a water shed 50 years ago, but it's nothing special today. It was a product of it's time.
>"The Sopranos" is Reddit af
>You sound too dumb to breath, do you have a respirator on hand? Or an Iron Lung?
LMAO, it started the whole prestige TV trend. It was a darling of Reddit types from the jump. It's well acted, but again, boring theme.
>"Scarface" is only liked by dumb wannabe gangsta rap listening dumb asses that completely miss the point of the fucking movie.
>LOL, keep telling yourself that.
I only wish this was my imagination. I have to hear mouth breathers like you praise the movie because the identify with Tony and his destructive ambition.
>Goodfellas was the last big Hollywood mob movie.
>And? So fucking what?
It means the genre never had legs. Only sheltered soft suburbanites boomers ever liked it. And their tastes are shit.
> People still reference 80s movies today and constantly reboot 80s series and films because of how impactful they are.
No they don't, and all the 80's reboots have been shit.
>>Mob genre sucks
>Ok kid, we get it, you hate your parents
Lol, they hated the mob genre too. It's for brainlets like you that can't understand the implications of these criminals actions. It's one step above slasher flicks.
>>The really didn't
>They did, but keep deluding yourself
Keep telling yourself that you're the only smart person in the entire world, because only you could appreciate your shit ass cartoon that's been forgotten by everyone else.
>No. That is not Aladdin's shtick, that is Robin Williams' shtick and that kind of humor was popular in the 90s.
Yeah, and like any tool, you have to know how to use it. Robin Williams knew how, Animaniacs didn't.

>>9754
&lt10% similarity means they're the same
&ltI'm going to take a sentence at utterly literal value because nitpicking is my only argument
When 10% of your cartoon is exactly the same it give credence to the argument that the rest of it was samey as well.
>You'r a manchild
&ltfrom a person who likes a literal screaming child shitshow
It's a cartoon, you're not supposed to take it seriously.
>They're not written to their tastes, they SHAPE those tastes you absolute dolt and in turn shape their behaviors.
Oh bullshit. People don't tune into shows to be told what to like. Yes they're highly influential, but they are by no means the sole influence on children's culture. Tons of people are clamoring for a piece of that pie.
>No, it really doesn't. It's so painfully on the nose that it's mindnumbing
Sure buddy.
>Ok kid, keep hating your parental strawman, I'm sure that therapy is helping
What strawmen, my parents don't care about Hollywood gossip either. Most people fucking don't. Get a grip.
>You mean the comics where in the past decade we get absolute abysmal proportions, liberal feminism and other absolute trash?
Haha this could have been ripped straight from /v/. Do comics suck because of Jewish subversion too.
>TTG is ONLY liked by babies who are 7 or younger and haven't had the opportunity of seeing something better. FFS even the original TMNT was way better
The original TMNT was only good for the first 3 seasons before it switched to CBS and where it became decontented trash. More of your rose tinted glasses coming into play.
>Your own personal infantile tastes are your own.
Lol no, no one gives a fuck about Hollywood politics. Which is why all the current popular shows don't have that shit.
>Yes and tweens find the idea of butt jokes to be funny idiot. People weren't sensitive pussies back then so a gay joke about butts wasn't taken seriously and was undeerstood by just about everyone.
That joke violated FCC decency regs and you know it. It was not picked up by people and that's how they got away with it. You are completely revising history. TV got reregulated in the 90's after Regan's 80's deregulation of children's cartoons. Sex jokes were NEVER allowed in kids shows. You're imagined politically incorrect 90's is a total fantasy.
>LOL ok faggot, joking about someone being gay is totally hating on them, even when I actually remember shit like the Prince/Jackson conflicts and other shit involving him and actually listened to his music, back when radio wasn't screaming ghetto-wannabes
Lol, you're the closet home that was probably gay for Prince. If you're not sexually attracted to someone, their sexuality means jack shit.
&lteveryone missed it so much that it was one of the most famous dirty jokes of the series
It became famous later, just like "The Simpson's" infamous "Sneed's Feed and Seed - Formerly Chuck's" joke.
>Anamaniacs didn't reference those pop culture icons
I was being hyperbolic, yes sometimes they did, but mostly relied and dumb old hollywood jokes.
>It was broadcast over the public airwaves
>And so were a dozen other toons, yet people remember Animaniacs over many of the competition.
They don't though. I see more nostalgia for "Ducktales" or "Batman" then "Anamainiacs".
>1) Spongebob is a newer series and has been making new seasons.
Spongebob started in 1999.
>2) Spongebob's newer seasons are generally disliked by anyone who watched earlier seasons
That's no surprise, because the series is for kids, and the original audience is in their mid twenties.
>3) the Looney Toons reboot was torn apart for its shittiness and is forgotten about, no-one remembers it, and only remembers the old one, which doesn't air anymore
People remember Looney Tunes for the original shorts. And the the reboot is highly regarded and the "Duck Dodgers" series is considered a classic.
>It's not cherrypicking. You stated 80 years and racist depictions were a part of Looney Toons into the 60s Moreover the comparison was garbage
There's like a handful of shorts with that stuff in them.
>LOL no, you didn't watch that either, did you?
It wasn't, just look at the setting. One takes place in some fanatic island where only toons live. The other takes place on the real life Warner Bro's studio lot. They're so lazy they don't take advantage of the cartoon and set it somewhere visually interesting.

>>9754
*Celebrity culture is far and away bigger than it was in the 90's.

>>9755
*Lol, you're the closet homo

>incredibly serious argument about animaniacs
>current year
this is the single highest concentration of faggotry that i have ever witnessed on this board

please just fucking stop

>>9754
>>9755
>>9756
>>9757
Kek at this pont I know 100% you're a complete and utter dumbass. You shift goalposts, use fallacies and straight up make shit up on the fly without skipping a beat and then, while your rants show you to be a barely suppressed molten volcano of rage, you tell me to "cope". LOL GTFO nigga, you don't understand shit 'bout the 90s, even less about popular culture or how it works and nothing at all about what defines quality. Your're the kind of deluded idiot who thinks Last Jedi was a good movie while ranting about the Prequels.

And if you think Popularity = money… well you've clearly never heard of something called Cult Classics or understand how cinema has changed since the 60s. … Oh and your sheer cope about Prince is hilarious, faggot. Stay mad about Animaniacs, because nobody else cares, and I certainly won't waste my time any further either ya sad sack of shit.

>>9768
>Kek at this pont I know 100% you're a complete and utter dumbass. You shift goalposts, use fallacies and straight up make shit up on the fly without skipping a beat and then, while your rants show you to be a barely suppressed molten volcano of rage, you tell me to "cope". LOL GTFO nigga, you don't understand shit 'bout the 90s, even less about popular culture or how it works and nothing at all about what defines quality. Your're the kind of deluded idiot who thinks Last Jedi was a good movie while ranting about the Prequels.
Don't know ho sitting on your ass watching cartoons as a child makes you some kind of scholar on 90's culture but okay. I spelled out why "Anamaniacs" sucked, backed up all my arguments, showed it's successor failed (Freakazoid), showed that that style of humor was pretty much limited to that show, and that mob movies have disappeared from the culture.
For the record I enjoy the prequels, and didn't like "The Last Jedi". Lol, get off of 4chan you autist, the world isn't a horde of SJW's out to get you and your precious movies and games.
>And if you think Popularity = money… well you've clearly never heard of something called Cult Classics
Wow, it's like you don't know English. They're calld "cult" classics for a reason. Cults are small groups of fanatics, it doesn't imply wide popularity at all lol
>Stay mad about Animaniacs, because nobody else cares,
Obviously you do.

>>9761
>>incredibly serious argument about animaniacs
>current year
Don't get you panties in a twist, it's about a lot more than that. And understanding TV history is important to understanding culture. Even with all the Hoopla about YouTube, and social media, TV is still by far the most influential medium.

>>9768
>And if you think Popularity = money.
YES
What should popularity be based on? You're feels? The most influential movies and TV make the most money 99% of the time.

>>7658
The issue itself isn't with the designs, but as the first image in >>7671 shows, is the homogeneity. The shows themselves in that picture are actually good,asides from the head shapes, stand out if you compare screenshots from the actual shows (not just character designs.) Their homogeneity is not primarily stylistic as many calarts works are distinctive enough to set them apart- although the most mediocre of them tend to look generic- it is that children networks tend to hire an established pool of directors, writers, and artists. As a result, there has been fatigue, especially since that the recent golden age has come to a close. Add to that the identity politics, then the calarts style starts to become an infamous icon of rigid conformity. Even though calarts itself has a lot of talent. Their student films exemplify this. However, this talent bears the mark of an institution, not the soul of an artist.

Like, I don't give a fuck whoever is on the side of the culture war spectacle. It's dumb bullshit. Yes, cartoons are conjoined to toxic radlibbery. However, giving it attention provides air for it to breath. It's how tit-for-tat social media works. Anyone serious should be much more patient.

>>9769
>Cults are small groups of fanatics
nitpicking again? good job.

>>9771
>it's about a lot more than that
No, not really. All you've done is whine about "muh references"

>>9772
>Hurr feels
You're an ignorant little monkey who doesn't know what popularity is if it bit you on the nose.
>99% make money
No, no they didn't money is irrelevant to popularity as is demonstrated when some of the most highest-paying films in history are considered by critics and fans alike to be garbage.

>Obviously you do
No, otherwise I'd actually take your nonsensical rants seriously and actually reply to their inanity with serious answers.

>I enjoy the prequels, and didn't like "The Last Jedi"
Sure you do
>Get off 4chan
&ltu just h8 de essjaydubus!
Ok liberal
>out to get you and your precious movies and games
Go back to reddit. Your understanding of dialectics, capitalism and culture is abysmal
>Freakazoid wuz beeeeed
Ok idiot
>sitting on your ass watching cartoons as a child
Nice strawman
>scholar
compared to your lack of argument and grievous application of mental gymnastics, I'm fucking Aristotle.

>>9777
>much more patient
&ltdon't discuss it, just let it happen dude!
While the above autist whining about Animaniacs being "baaaad" is certainly a poor example of discussion, it is important to discuss, because if we tolerate garbage, it will continue to be produced. If people keep accepting shit-sandwiches, we'll keep getting them, because we won't set standards.

>>9780
>>Cults are small groups of fanatics
>nitpicking again? good job.
It's the definition of the word my ESL friend.
>No, not really. All you've done is whine about "muh references"
No I cited a lot of the history of all the cartoons I mentioned.
>Hurr feels
>You're an ignorant little monkey who doesn't know what popularity is if it bit you on the nose.
Everyone knows what's popularity is. Movies that make 200 million are popular, moves that make 50 million are not.
>No, no they didn't money is irrelevant to popularity as is demonstrated when some of the most highest-paying films in history are considered by critics and fans alike to be garbage.
>popular=good
This again, there's some exceptions, but movies and TV are made to make money. Can you name some show that was truly popular that didn't make a lot of money. I"m talking about something on the level of "Jurassic Park", not what's popular with your fellow autists on /co/.
>No, otherwise I'd actually take your nonsensical rants seriously and actually reply to their inanity with serious answers.
You have been, I've just been BTFOing you.

>I enjoy the prequels, and didn't like "The Last Jedi"
>Sure you do
I did, and I do. I don't know what's so unbelievable, "The Last Jedi" was roundly panned while the Prequels were warmly accepted. The hate for the prequels didn't come until after when it became chic to hate on them.
>Freakazoid wuz beeeeed
>Ok idiot
It got canceled didn't it? Do shows with high ratings and popularity get canceled?
>compared to your lack of argument and grievous application of mental gymnastics, I'm fucking Aristotle.
Nah, you're another midwit trying to dig out a niche on the internet. You plucked some obscure show, (yes, a show that aired nearly 30 years ago and has since been forgotten is obscure) and try to build up a cool cache around it by making it seem like some hidden gem. You know most people won't go back and watch it. You're just a modern day hipster.
>While the above autist whining about Animaniacs being "baaaad" is certainly a poor example of discussion, it is important to discuss, because if we tolerate garbage, it will continue to be produced.
Agreed, which is why I maintain that "Anaimaniacs" is bad. And that "Teen Titans Go" is good. There's oodles of adult oriented cartoons now. Nerds like you don't need every god damn cartoon to cater to them, and pretend that their were pint sized scholars in during their own childhoods and actually understood that every obscure entertainment industry humor in stuff like "Anaimaniacs". When in reality 90's kids were even bigger and stupider pieces of shit then today's children are. You kick and scream about immature cartoons like TTG THAT ARE TARGETED AT IMMURE AUDIENCES, because of your complete lack of self awareness about how you and your peers were actually like in your own childhoods.

If people keep accepting shit-sandwiches, we'll keep getting them, because we won't set standards.

>>9780
&ltu just h8 de essjaydubus!
>Ok liberal
Lol, you're the one obsessed with idpol gender fluid shit like "Steven Universe" there's been a lot of other cartoons produced besides that released in the last 25 years.

>>9780
>Go back to reddit. Your understanding of dialectics, capitalism and culture is abysmal
LMAO, you're the one that fills in your lack of historical knowledge about the material forces shaping 90's children's television with bitter feels about being being bullied in elementary school.
And have all these loopy definitions of popular culture being good, when pop culture has been dunked on as being actually quite atrocious since mass media's genesis.

>>9781
And so continues the saga of the triple-posting samefag with a blasted arse
>More nitpicks more mental gymnastics and other fallacious rubbish
&ltHurr I'm winning
Sure you are manchild
>I've just been BTFOing
You haven't BTFOed squat, I just choose to discontinue genuinely arguing with a fool, instead I just tug your chain and like the excellent idiot you are, you follow along, barking furiously.
>pretend their scholars
&ltsays the person whining about references
>Nerds
&ltEveryone who has a modicum of intelligence is a nerd or a boomer!
&ltTTG is good because it caters to kids and totally isn't a bad influence, really!!!
Okay bud, your daddy-issues aren't the internet's problem Kill your braincells on your own time, but don;t encourage others to do that, go to >>>/dead/

>>9782
>obsessed with idpol gender fluid shit
Where does SU even come into this? Shifting goalposts and diverting to another topic is not an argument. SU was referenced in the first post because A) it was relevant to THAT discussion
B) this thread was created off of the Steven Universe thread and branched off
>past 25 years
You have proven exactly why you understand nothing about dialectics or cultural progression or accelerationism.
For 1 thing, cartoon eras were generally divided by decades in the 20th century, but as the internet age approached this has accelerated.
You also conveniently stretched the mark since most cartoons from 25 years ago or even 15 years ago are not airing or being re-aired and are therefore not representative of modern cartoons.
Go back to reddit liberals who will jerk you off, nobody takes such shitty understanding of culture seriously.
>your lack of historical knowledge
Nope, I am actually well-aware of these things, taking courses on animation history are pretty helpful in understanding how things change… or you could watch a youtube video not made by edgy liberal idiots about it too.
>bitter feels
Keep projecting honey
>bullied
nope, nobody bullied me, but keep projecting baby
>loopy definitions
&ltsays the guy who thinks money = popularity.
>when pop culture has been dunked on as being actually quite atrocious
You're actually demented. Seek help.
>midwit
Oooooh you're that pseudo-intellectual pretentious anon from /leftypol/. Go back to plebbit you absolute poser. LOL

>>9781
>TTG is good because it caters to kids
&ltKids don't want complex stories, they just want loud noise and color, because being lumpens is good!
Absolutely shameless glowfaggotry. If kids can appreciate Avatar The Last Airbender, they can appreciate Animaniacs.

>>9752
>3
What threads? Besides the Steven Universe one I mean.

>>9787
>And so continues the saga of the triple-posting samefag with a blasted arse
I have other thoughts after I've already posted. Don't worry, I won't take your precious board consensus from you.
&ltHurr I'm winning
>Sure you are manchild
I'm winning because I can cite historical facts and articulate cause and effects. Meanwhile you're posts are just half ad hominems and unvalidated assertions
&ltEveryone who has a modicum of intelligence is a nerd or a boomer!
>Everyone that likes Hollywood inside jokes is genius like me.
Damn dude, get it though your head. No one gives a fuck about inside industry jokes of any industry.
&ltTTG is good because it caters to kids and totally isn't a bad influence, really!!!
>Oh no! Kids like things I don't like, STOP THEM!!!
wew
>Okay bud, your daddy-issues aren't the internet's problem Kill your braincells on your own time, but don;t encourage others to do that, go to >>>/dead/
The more you cast these baseless aspersion, the more clear it becomes that it's project. What's the matter, you one of those latchkey kids that was raised by the TV. Is shitting on your favorite cartoon like calling your mom a whore to you?
>obsessed with idpol gender fluid shit
>Where does SU even come into this?
You're the one crying about "liberal feminism". But by all means, keep playing dumb like you weren't referencing cartoons like SU. Play dumb really plays to your strengths.
>You have proven exactly why you understand nothing about dialectics or cultural progression or accelerationism.
Bitch please, you just proclaimed your old favorite cartoon AS DA BEST EVA like some basic bitch otaku. Stop acting like it was a part of some grand analysis.
>For 1 thing, cartoon eras were generally divided by decades in the 20th century, but as the internet age approached this has accelerated.
Dafaq has that got to do with "Anaimaniacs being shit now and in it's own time." And you'll never define "accelerated" because it just a vauge weasel word to try to obfuscate your weak ass points.
>You also conveniently stretched the mark since most cartoons from 25 years ago or even 15 years ago are not airing or being re-aired and are therefore not representative of modern cartoons.
You kidding me, there's like 5 cable stations dedicated to fucking airing just old cartoons.
This doesn't even touch streaming, which is where most kids watch cartoons now. Damn, you just can't stop pulling shit out of your ass, it's like a complulsion.
>Go back to reddit liberals who will jerk you off, nobody takes such shitty understanding of culture seriously.
&ltEveryone that don't like me is a liberal.
Not what that word mean idiot.
>Nope, I am actually well-aware of these things, taking courses on animation history are pretty helpful in understanding how things change… or you could watch a youtube video not made by edgy liberal idiots about it too.
The head cannon you come up with to justify your own point isn't history. The straight lies you told surround the "Finger-prints" controversy is the most egregious example.
>bullied
>nope, nobody bullied me, but keep projecting baby
Sure buddy, which is why you so ferociously defend that shit cartoon, it was probably your only friend.
&ltsays the guy who thinks money = popularity.
Yes idiot, if you want to see something in capitalism, you have to pay for it. The more people pay the more people see it. Pretty fucking simple.
>when pop culture has been dunked on as being actually quite atrocious
>You're actually demented. Seek help.
For calling pop culture mostly trash, nah homie, it's you that need to get some taste.
>Oooooh you're that pseudo-intellectual pretentious anon from /leftypol/. Go back to plebbit you absolute poser. LOL
Am I from /leftypol/ or from Reddit schizo.

>>9795
Kids like unsubtle zany shit. All the old Warner Bros cartoons were like that, along with a ton of other cartoons that are considered classics.
Being loud and zany doesn't make something bad. It's just catering to proclivities that you don't have. So don't watch them and stop acting like you're doing any kids a favor by saying their dumb because they don't like boring Hollywood inside jokes in "Animaniacs."

>>9827
>unsubtle zany shit of Looney Toons is totally the same as TTG
&ltbeing this unironically retarded
Take your meds LOL
>>9824
>All this cope
&ltall this smug bullshit
HAHAHAHA, stay mad faggot.

>>9896
>Me smart, you dumb.
Okay, true, so enlighten me with some actual arguments.
And that random, surrealist absurdist humor is very much like the Looney Tunes, but a lot more dialog driven.
I get it, the characters talk like they’re on meth and the stuff happens at a million miles an hour. That’s just the style,

Just wanna chime in that I used to watch Loony Tunes and Merry Melody reruns as a child and I thought Tiny Toons was total garbage by comparison, with Animaniacs not much better. Freakazoid was the best of Spielberg's cartoons.

>>9941
>I thought Tiny Toons was total garbage
Why?

>>9943
Because it wasn't funny and is frankly a shallow insult to the clever humor in the original Merry Melodies.

>>9940
>so enlighten me with some actual arguments
Why bother? You're just going to ignore them or shift goal posts, or nay other fallacy you've been using so far. It's boring and pointless; nobody except losers are interested in reading through long argumentative responses about why "person X is a dumbass with shit taste".
>random, surrealist absurdist humor
I don't mind that, If you want absurd surreal shit the drug-trip grotesqueness of Ren and Stimpy, Cat-Dog, Rocko's Life, Courage the Cowardly Dog or even the original Power Puff Girls. I wasn't a big fan of half of those shows, but I can admit that they had good work put into making them unique and weird and funny.
That's not what TTG or LH do, they're just fucking really shitty sit-coms with cartoon effects and a "hurr random colorful movement = funny" which is only true for babies and children who don't know any better.
>That’s just the style
And it's garbage that is made worse by the absolutely lazy toon-boom format. It's like current Family Guy but with TTG characters and no swearing or blood. At least with Gumball, you get a lot of fun variability and even if it has random humor and other things.

>>9954
>Why bother? You're just going to ignore them or shift goal posts, or nay other fallacy you've been using so far.
I just said "Anamaniacs" sucked because it had a bunch of jokes 90's kids only pretended to get.
You keep insisting that kids are smart enough to get Hollywood gossip jokes as if that was a mark of intelligence. And an indicator of a mouth breather.
>That's not what TTG or LH do, they're just fucking really shitty sit-coms with cartoon effects and a "hurr random colorful movement = funny" which is only true for babies and children who don't know any better.
They're sitcoms only in the loosest sense. They rely a lot on a either an escalating comedy of errors, absurdist comedy, and metahumor.
They're like "Family Guy" but without the cruelty.
And yes they're dialog driven. A lot of people like that kid of humor. You don't, okay, doesn't make it bad.
>And it's garbage that is made worse by the absolutely lazy toon-boom format.
You got me on the Cal-Arts styling. I can't defend that, these TTG cartoons are cracked out like sausages. But if you think "Animaniacs" never took so pretty egregious shortcuts themselves, you should get your eyes checked.
>At least with Gumball, you get a lot of fun variability and even if it has random humor and other things.
TTG a much slower paced slice of life. It's good, but not scratching the same itch. Some people like cartoons paced like a rollercoaster ride. You're a mean old adult so that shit is too jarring, but kids love it. Time moves slower for them because each day they live is a much bigger part of their lives than someone that's lived a long time. Plus Gumball is not nearly as cynical and not nearly as meta. TTG touches more on the ridiculously cruel aspects of life without glorifying them. One of my favorite episodes is when Beast Boy joins a pyramid scheme. I wish they were cultivating this kind of cynicism when I was growing up, maybe so many of my peers wouldn't have gotten sucked into such obvious scams IRL. I feel like TTG is more like a cartoon version of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" but again without the cruelty and violence.

>>9966
>And it just keeps going.
The sheer facepalm-worthy inability to see the obvious never grows old. You're just starting this again and it's going to circle back to the massive rant posts which I refuse to waste my time with this.
>scratch an itch
If you accept mediocre trash just to scratch an itch the quality of product will only get worse over time. It's your life, but I suggest you think really hard about why something like Tom & Jerry or TMNT is near universally considered actually fun and worth watching, and why TTG is regarded as unironically brain-rotting garbage.

Farewell

PS if we're going to go for a modern cartoon that is of the same type - The Ducktales reboot. I don't much like the art-style but it's still detailed and unique, with smooth animation and decent story-telling.

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>>9721
Hey nice job killing this thread by sperging out over some irrelevant 90s cartoons nobody gives a fuck about, faggots.

>>10387
>replying to a 2 week old argument to whine
&ltkilling this thread
Given that it literally created a lot of discussion that was on topic and thus posts… that's the exact opposite.

If there's something I've learned in the past couple of years is that a considerable amount of animators in the industry are austists, degenerates or both. And it doesn't just apply to current era animators. Maybe it's time to stop taking that shit so seriously.

>>9710
>Tight-fitting shirts DO
kek I hope that pic wasn't your example.

>>10390
>Given that it literally created a lot of discussion that was on topic
Whining for half a thread about the supposed popularity of Animaniacs, the Godfather and pop culture in the 90s has nothing to do with the OP you fucking autist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCDu4nmt8M

So the Animaniacs trailer dropped recently… holy fuck was it a ride.
>Orange Man Bad
>Mansplaining
>Queen Bae
&ltonly other characters who aren't the Warners is Pinky and Brain… and even the, they're more impotent than the Pinky, Mindy and Brain spinoff.
… just fucking stop.

The only good parts was the Black Lights joke, the Anime references and Pinky's Catfish humor. And I guess they're self-aware of their own shittiness

>>10485
>pic wasn't your example
It is, and its pretty good too; transparency aside, it defines her curves well.
>Whining for half a thread about the supposed popularity of Animaniacs
They were popular, especially since they're getting a reboot, that's a fact Jack.
>the Godfather
The Godfather is considered among the best films of the past century, so just stop.
>pop culture in the 90s
Relevant to the Animaniacs argument
>nothing to do with the OP
OP is asking about the status of animation today, animaniacs was an example of 90s animation being brought up, and the new reboot lamented. This became a discussion and then an argument, it's still relevant to the thread, unless you're being unnecessarily pedantic about the thread being explicitly about animation, which is fucking retarded.
>you fucking autist
Ok Kettle
>also
shut the fuck up you sage-posting whiner, your post is the last post in over 2 weeks, so I'd say your bitching is probably what killed it.

>a considerable amount of animators in the industry are austists, degenerates or both.
Ya don't fucking say? Gee Willikers, thanks for telling us something people knew about back when Ren and Stimpy first aired and Doug Winger was creating the furry 'community'.
>stop taking that shit so seriously
Taking what seriously? Their mental instability or their animation? No-one cares about their mental shit unless the discussion is about animators as people. People mostly care about the animation and art-style.

>>10387
stay mad

the best way to animate is just draw lots of wojaks

I don't give a fuck about whatever styles cartoons have these days, I'm more concerned about executive meddling and the neverending exploitation of animators and writers.

>>11443
> executive meddling and the neverending exploitation of animators and writers.
So something that gets solved by capitalism being eliminated then.

Getting back on topic.

The biggest entertainment name in history would have enough resources to not recycle animation cycles nowadays. Particularly when it is entirely CGI.

I mean… back in the day? When you had to hand draw each and every cell of animation? Yeah, I can see being cheap, or at least not wanting to cramp you hand over and over again while drawing it all.

But Frozen is a question of base character design when you can make rigs and shit, right? I realize it is likely more complicated than it looks, but you still start with a base model that simplifies things greatly that you can just copy and paste between scenes.