/ent/ - Entertainment

Never heard of it. Is it your standard heist movie (long edit)?

I can't for the life of me figure out what people like so much about stupid heist movies.

>>2732
I don't know seems like it tho. They rob banks.

>>2734
I guess it's the un(class)concious fantasy of the common man to rob the rich bastards who steal their surplus value

>>2731
Watched it with my parents. They seemed to like it, but I thought it was mediocre.
It really is your standard heist movie, complete with police standoffs, backstabbing, and sadism. The dubbing is horrendous, and so are the romance subplots. There's a pre(?)quel out now, too, which is just more of the same with an even bigger romance subplot.
>>2735
Yeah, that's probably it. Le power fantasy of getting filthy rich quickly (and illegally) while sticking it to the big man.

>>9064
I doubt heist stories are power fantasies. I think heist stories are popular because those that made it, kicked away the ladder they used to climb to the top. So heist stories are popular because people feel powerless and the heist represents a sneaky ladder to climb to the top anyway.

None of these heist stories are realistic at all, and the fact that people are willing to suspend disbelieve anyway is a pretty good indicator how much social mobility has ossified.

>>9067
Oh, yes, I agree with you completely. But to me, that just seems like a form of power fantasy. Quite a few heist movies have porn-tier shots of the gold/ cash/ precious artifact that's going to be stolen, and detail who is being stolen from and how mad they are, or how filthy rich the successful thieves have become. There's an element of "deep down we all want to do something like that", I think.

>>9069
>But to me, that just seems like a form of power fantasy.
It's a matter of perspective.

A story of a powerful thief would be Robin Hood. He changes the structure of society somewhat with his activities.

From the societal perspective the typical heist stories don't change anything, they just switch out who holds the treasure. Gaining higher status is not the same as having power, making other people suffer is the display of impotence of petty tyrants that can't gather any genuine respect.

True exercise of power is reducing the internal entropy of a society.

>There's an element of "deep down we all want to do something like that", I think.
Maybe for some, for most people heist stories are probably escape fantasies, that simulate escaping from economic precarity.

>>9070
>escape from economic precarity
Very few heist movies dwell on what happens after the heist, so I'd say it's more about the action of performing the heist (even in movies where the heist is more subtle, like 21) that the movie is built on, rather than the money that comes from it (money is still important, but it is only a motive)
>the powerful thief changes society
Ooh, that's a really good point. The Professor will be forgotten within a couple of years, but Robin Hood is still in the collective conscience.
But can you really put him anywhere near Money Heist? Part of the heist movie is also seeing a meticulously laid plan succeed or fail in the ways that only a movie can show us. The masks, the technology, the purpose of every movement is just as pleasing to watch as it is to hear about Robin Hood lifting people out of poverty. In this way it lets the audience project themselves not into a vault full of cash, but as a burglar trying to get in. Robin Hood is a completely different sort of story that focuses not on how he got his loot, but what he did with it.

>>9071
>Very few heist movies dwell on what happens after the heist
There is a strong ideological prohibition on telling stories that show actions that lead to transformative change. If you show a protagonist that overcomes a really big obstacle, the story must end after the struggle.

For example the Movie Elysium where the protagonist storms the rich people space station, he activates the metaphorical wealth redistribution technology mechanism and then the movie ends. It doesn't show how society gets transformed.

The same goes for a heist movie it can't show how the heist actions lead to transformative change, even if it's just for a single person. The story can't show a protagonist changing their class status through events they controle.

>Part of the heist movie is also seeing a meticulously laid plan succeed or fail in the ways that only a movie can show us
That is true, there is a strong puzzle-solving aspect that is about tickling curiosity. That's the same thing as figuring out how to open a Japanese puzzle box. That part has no sociological dimension.