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 No.550

Schizonihilist anon from /leftypol/ here. The board has finally banned all Tor exit nodes, so I am unable to reply to anyone there anymore and can no longer even alert anyone there of this post. If you wish to continue conversation with me, or want me to respond to something from /leftypol/, post or cross-link it here and I will do my best to oblige. Alternatively, if you are reading and care to inform /leftypol/ of my departure, please do. I no longer can. Then again, given I am universally hated on /leftypol/, maybe no one will even notice and it is better they never know.

I feel sorry for those who genuinely wanted a response from me and asked for theory recommendations, but who will now never get any unless they see this post. There's nothing more I can do about it now, though.
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 No.553

So yeah nice, what is some theory that you recommend
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 No.554

>>553
Are you >>>/leftypol/656893? Anyway, that depends on what interests you and what you want to read. But to answer you with something concrete, I will repost what I did in the now-deleted /CHAZ/ megathread when an anon surprisingly asked me for recommendations on the theory that influenced my posts (in this case, specifically in the /CHAZ/ thread up to that point). It is definitely not complete and does not capture the totality of my influences – for example, it omits Žižek, Althusser, Firestone, Gorgias, Aristotle, Democritus, Heraclitus, Hegel, Nietzsche, Zapffe, and many more – but it does provide a start.

Quoting some of what I said in the /CHAZ/ megathread:

&ltNone off the topic of my head at the present, but it has been a long day and night and I have spent nearly all its hours yelling into the void here, so perhaps I will have better recommendations tomorrow. But I will say that much of what I say here was not from anything I read anywhere else; what I say here is from my readings of everything else, my own theoretical developments from years of contemplation and close readings (and rereadings) of thinkers like Marx and Stirner. It is the collation of ideas and critiques and analyses from dozens of intellectual influences, so much so that I often tend to lose track of their origins as they subsume within my own thought. I am not an author of theoretical literature myself, after all (unless this counts), and much of what I write is lost to the 404 and chat message limits and ephemeral exchanges. Consequently, I tend to focus more on theorising in the moment than documenting the history of my thought.

And later:

&ltPretty much Marx's bibliography, though for this thread I am particularly drawing from Capital, vol. I; and The German Ideology (especially the first chapter):
&lt https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/
&lt https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/

&ltAlso, while I consider Stirner immensely important, he doesn't show up much in my critiques here beyond serving as a fundamental orientation toward these issues, though I will include him anyway because his critique of revolution and theory of insurrection particularly dovetails into my understanding of what communism (and thus the real movement) is:
&ltThe Unique and Its Property by Max Stirner (1845), trans. Wolfi Landstreicher (2017): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-unique-and-its-property
&ltStirner's Critics by Max Stirner (1845), trans. Wolfi Landstreicher: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-stirner-s-critics

&ltI also identify Nietzsche's active nihilism and transvaluation/revaluation of all values with communism, but this is more just an honourable mention because it's almost redundant beside the fact that my considerations of Stirner and Nietzsche helped me formulate the negative/positive praxis distinction.

&ltSome other literature that can be specifically found in this tract I've been arguing in this thread:
&ltThe Conquest of Bread (1892) by Pyotr Kropotkin: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread
&ltMutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by Pyotr Kropotkin (1902): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-mutual-aid-a-factor-of-evolution
&lt"The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" by Walter Benjamin (1935): https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
&ltOne-Dimensional Man: Studies in the Ideology of Advanced Industrial Society by Herbert Marcuse (1964), 2nd. edition reprint (2002): https://www.stereolux.org/sites/default/files/fichiers/marcuse_h_-_one-dimensional_man_2nd_edn._routledge_2002.compressed.pdf
&ltThe Revolution of Everyday Life by Raoul Vaneigem (1967): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/raoul-vaneigem-the-revolution-of-everyday-life
&ltThe Society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord (1967): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/guy-debord-the-society-of-the-spectacle
&ltEclipse and Re-Emergence of the Communist Movement by Gilles Dauvé and François Martin (1974, rev. 2014): https://libcom.org/library/eclipse-re-emergence-communist-movement
&ltThe Right To Be Greedy: Theses On The Practical Necessity Of Demanding Everything by For Ourselves: Council for Generalized Self-Management (1974): https://libcom.org/library/right-be-greedy-theses-practical-necessity-demanding-everything
&ltCapitalism and Schizophrenia by Gilles Deleuze & Félix Guattari (1980):
&lt https://libcom.org/files/Anti-Oedipus.pdf
&lt https://libcom.org/files/A%20Thousand%20Plateaus.pdf
&ltT.A.Z.: The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism by Hakim Bey (1985): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/hakim-bey-t-a-z-the-temporary-autonomous-zone-ontological-anarchy-poetic-terrorism
&ltThe Abolition of Work by Bob Black (1985): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work/
&ltThis World We Must Leave and Other Essays by Jacques Camatte (1995): https://libcom.org/library/world-we-must-leave-other-essays-jacques-camatte
&ltAnarchy After Leftism by Bob Black (1997): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-anarchy-after-leftism
&ltFrom Bakunin to Lacan: Anti-Authoritarianism and the Dislocation of Power by Saul Newman (2001): https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1E1F0ECBC58C386208B9415201127EA5
&ltPost-Left Anarchy: Leaving the Left Behind by Jason McQuinn: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jason-mcquinn-post-left-anarchy-leaving-the-left-behind
&lt"Against Organizationalism: Anarchism as both Theory and Critique of Organization" by Jason McQuinn: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/jason-mcquinn-against-organizationalism-anarchism-as-both-theory-and-critique-of-organization
&lt"Desert" by ???? (2011): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-desert
&ltDark Deleuze by Andrew Culp (2016): https://manifold.umn.edu/projects/dark-deleuze
&ltFrom Crisis to Communisation by Gilles Dauvé (2019): https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=D669C9F6C8AE265E30A0B71B93D49668
&ltNow by The Invisible Committee: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-invisible-committe-now


&ltOn the more vegan / animal liberation side of things, which I'll keep the recommendations brief since it's tangential by including only those which approach these from a communist / Marxist / veganarchist / anticapitalist perspective):
&lt"Animal Liberation and Social Revolution" by Brian A. Dominick (1997): https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/brian-a-dominick-animal-liberation-and-social-revolution
&lt"'The creatures, too, must become free': Marx and the Animal/Human Distinction" by Lawrence Wilde (2000): https://www.marxists.org/subject/marxmyths/lawrence-wilde/article.htm''
&ltThe Politics of Total Liberation: Revolution for the 21st Century by Steven Best (2014): https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=B6ED452149AED38592A8F6D10D6584CE
&lt"Animal liberation and Marxism" by Maciej Zurowski (2014): https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/994/animal-liberation-and-marxism/

&ltLike all these recommendations, a lot of them require or are enriched by familiarity with the underlying theory and philosophical context, but in the case of the animal liberation literature, this point is especially important. Whereas you are probably at least basically familiar with enough left theory to navigate some of this without any extra reading, you may be so totally oblivious to the absolute basics of the philosophy and theory behind and around animal rights / welfarism and animal abolitionism / liberationism and so on. If you are coming into this literature without even knowing the major impacts of animal agriculture on climate change, or think animals are just dumb objects, it may seem as alien to you as Debord or Dauvé might to a MAGA cuck.


&ltAnd now for some… dangerous recommendations, though not so much recommendations (I recommend appropriating some of the ideas but not reading them per se, at least not without being mentally prepared about going into hazardous theoryspace) as dutiful acknowledgements o
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 No.555

>>554
Reposting what was cut off (forgot about the character limit):

&ltAnd now for some… dangerous recommendations, though not so much recommendations (I recommend appropriating some of the ideas but not reading them per se, at least not without being mentally prepared about going into hazardous theoryspace) as dutiful acknowledgements of some of the more implicit or tangential influences here.

&ltFor understanding Capital (as opposed to just capital or capitalism) and Capital autonomisation, as well as Exit:
&ltThe Thirst for Annihilation: George Bataille and Virulent Nihilism by Nick Land (1992): https://archive.org/details/LandTheThirstForAnnihilationGeorgeBatailleAndVirulentNihilism
&ltFanged Noumena: Collected Writings, 1987-2007 by Nick Land, Ray Brassier, Robin Mackay (2011): https://archive.org/details/fangednoumena

&ltFor riding the tiger, metapolitics / apoliteia, and an extended consideration of Stirnerian insurrection and Nietzschean active nihilism, albeit from a radically reactionary perspective (though still fundamentally applicable beyond his meta/politics; Evola read Stirner and Nietzsche in his youth):
&ltRide The Tiger A Survival Manual For The Aristocrats Of The Soul by Julius Evola (1961): https://archive.org/details/ridethetigerjuliusevola

&ltFor metapolitics / apoliteia specifically, consider this music theory article:
&lt"Apoliteic music: Neo-Folk, Martial Industrial and 'metapolitical fascism'" by Anton Shekhovtsov (2009): https://web.archive.org/web/20200522191310/http://www.shekhovtsov.org/articles/Anton_Shekhovtsov-Apoliteic_Music.html

&ltFor the retreat into the forest, a similar idea rooted in Stirner's unique one and insurrection from the radical right, which predates Evola's ideas from above:
&ltThe Forest Passage (Der Waldgang) by Ernst Jünger (1951), trans. Thomas Friese (2013) : https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=680CF9E362EAAA1E28939774F5DE5D96 (only free copy I can find)



&ltI know I'm forgetting some, and there's more, including countless articles and essays which fill in the fine details or expand on these ideas, as well as other works by these authors, but these are the ones I can firmly identify as being specific origins for specific non-throwaway parts of what I've been saying, at least what isn't my own synthesis and self-theory. There are still other influences here which don't show up except in throwaway phrases and language and writing style and so on, like Foucault or Baudrillard or Lukács or Bakunin or Žižek or Lacan, but I think I have already listed enough as it is.

&ltI hope that is a better answer than I gave in [the prior quoted post].

&ltOh and I forgot to add:

&ltOn Being and Nothingness: A Phenomenological Essay on Ontology by Jean-Paul Sartre (1943): https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=58919BF3DB477075E946FAFE9C84CF16
&ltThe Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus (1942): https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=4867607768F4B18455F2B03E4CEEB298
&ltThe Rebel by Albert Camus (1951): https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=53F228C4E941FE1B5065A6B527462299 (this one has the usually omitted segment on Stirner)
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 No.556

>>554
> Are you >>>/leftypol/656893?
No I am just a random guy browsing /dead/ that is interested in your reading list

And also thank you a lot, been really bored this lock-down and wanted to read some more post-left, nihilist stuff
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 No.557

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A lot of that is not post-leftist or nihilist, just so you know. Most of it is Marxist, leftcom, post-Marxist, pomo, or some combination of them in the first list. The rest are either radical leftist veganism / animal liberationism / total liberationism or they are literally some of the major influences of neoreactionary theory.

If you want specifically post-leftist, that would be Bob Black, Hakim Bey, Jason McQuinn, and Max Stirner. If you want something nihilist, you might find some in Hakim Bey and Jason McQuinn and Raoul Vaneigem (and Nick Land, but here be danger), but you would better look toward Max Stirner and some who are not listed there, such as Friedrich Nietzsche and Peter Wessel Zapffe. Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, Renzo Novatore, an Gianni Vattimo.
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 No.558

>>557 is for >>556.

(I am tired. I may go for the night soon.)
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 No.563

>>557
>>554
Did you actually read Zapffe other than The Last Messiah?
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 No.567

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what does your political praxis look like? over the last years i have arrived at a similar point as you but it kills my desire to DO anything because i just see capitalism everywhere. don't take this in the sense of classic "political work", i'm well aware of the idea of the "outside" and "revolutionary exodus", it's just that dropping out and becoming homeless/criminal/living in a squat/on neetbux isn't any more liberatory to me than endlessly circlejerking in some party/union.

at this point i'm just about to pull a wittgenstein/epicurus and conclude it's all language games and any philosophical engagement (because that's what this is to me at this point: pure theory) that doesn't lead to ataraxia is a waste of my life.
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 No.573

We're going to fix tor posting soon™, but without images.
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 No.574

>>573
well, better than nothing, what about just simple text spam? like someone just spamming nig*er till it gets to the word limit
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 No.577

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>>563
Unfortunately no because I cannot find English translations of works such as On the Tragic, though I very much want to. As far as I am aware, they do not exist because the only English-language translation of Zapffe's work in his entire bibliography is The Last Messiah. I can only find summaries of the rest, though even those proved influential to me.

Frankly, I doubt I will ever learn Norwegian just to read Zapffe's bibliography, so I can only hope and wait for an English translation to finally arrive.
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 No.578

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>>567
I sympathise with that sentiment and experience it often.

Have you read "Desert" on The Anarchist Library yet? It may provide some solace insofar as it reframes the question of praxis in terms of cultivating oases in the desert and seeking meaningful liberation when and where it can be made or found within a dying world that cannot be saved from its own collapse. I am critical of the essay for a variety of reasons and think that we ought to struggle against collapse in the same world-historical sense Marx described global communism, even if doing so is futile and absurd (this is where Camus' absurd rebellion comes in), but it does disrupt this false binary of either global revolution or absolute despair by acknowledging the value and meaning that can be made in the lived liberation and local communism of more transient pursuits, such as participation in temporary autonomous zones or in communal living or in mutual aid networks.

I caution that this approach can itself lull one into an antisocial escapism that is both unsustainable and uninterested in any greater societal transformation, but it is at least more practically meaningful than yet another dismal Party meeting. In that sense, even something as local and minor and nomadic as Food Not Bombs is more practically communist than the entire Soviet Union can be more fulfilling than every single Party meeting in history. If all one does is serve vegan meals to homeless people out of a Food Not Bombs food truck, however, then is this "local communism" not itself subsumed within capitalist production and only exists insofar as capitalism permits it as a means of palliation toward the lumpenproletariat? If this communist praxis is not part of a larger world-historical one and does not even seek to participate in any such global insurrection (in the Stirnerian sense), then is this itself not simply abandoning the real movement and leaving all such local communism vulnerable to erasure in the world-historical intercourse of Capital, just as Marx warned in the first chapter of The German Ideology?

(Sidenote: Given that The German Ideology was written in part as a scathingly critical response to "Sankt Max" after the publication of The Unique and Its Property, despite Stirner's immense influence on Marx, I personally suspect that Marx's early writings on communism in its first chapter is actually a meditation on and indirect response to Stirner's insurrectionary critique of revolution. This explains why, at least to me, Marx's most explicit descriptions of communism found here so closely resemble Stirner's insurrection as opposed to revolution as conventionally understood. Marx is deeply indebted to Stirner, and had initially gave Stirner's work some of the deepest praise he ever gave of any work, including those of Hegel, in his private letters to Engels. His polemical disrespect of Stirner in The German Ideology is more exemplary of Marx trying to work through the deeply personal and frustrating critiques that Stirner presented that it is his contempt for Stirner, though I think he fundamentally failed in that regard; nonetheless, the fact that he never published it and The German Ideology was only published posthumously in 1932 shows the respect he still had for his former comrade.)

Regarding union (I assume you don't mean in the Stirnerian sense) and Party activities, my position is actually a bit more nuanced than I have let on in /leftypol/, where I have been ruthlessly critical of even participation in it as fundamentally anticommunist and bourgeois. I am so ruthlessly critical there because I think one must be disabused from the notion that such activities are actually "revolutionary" or communist and part of any real movement if one is to have any hope of contextualising these activities within a more general critique of leftist praxis. Whilst I nonetheless still maintain that position, I recognise that there can be a place for such activities in much the same way as liberal reform has its place even when it is always insufficient praxis (I take after Rosa Luxemburg in this sense). What I ultimately dispute is precisely the sufficiency of these activities – and, at least at some level, their necessity for total liberation – and the dangers they pose in distracting us from any real movement that totally abolishes the present state of things and totally liberates all of existence therefrom, especially since these activities invariably result in all the organisational/ist problems that Jason McQuinn identifies and consequently eternally defers communism into a future that never comes in the way The Invisible Committee describe in Now, much like how Žižek characterises charities except applied to all organisations and organisational activities.

So join or start a labour union if you still work and refuse not to, for a labour union is better than lacking one; and go to Party meetings if you still want to be engaged in organisational politics if you believe doing so is the most effective path toward concrete reforms in your area, for amelioration is better than immiseration even if it is not emancipation. Just do not mistake these activities as real movements, at least not insofar as they radically abolish the present conditions and transformatively liberate all therefrom, however much these reforms may abolish worse straits – for now; and do not let them distract you from practicing communism in the present and intercoursing with its world-historical movement, if you have any interest in disclosing possible communist futures, lest you find yourself trapped within a recuperated reformist running wheel that never brings you closer to your emancipation from this world and condemns it absolute immiseration and collapse.

Lastly, on the matter of ataraxia, I am actually critical of such pursuits personally – beyond their escapist and antisocial nature – because I think they attempt to avoid suffering (rather than solve for it) in fundamentally death-affirming ways, thereby avoid living in the process; I agree with Nietzsche in this regard. Moreover, it seems to deny the worthiness of struggle itself, of adversity and perseverance and overcoming as the crucibles of creation and forges of meaning, instead opting for a withering self-stultification at a cul-de-sac of lived existence that never overcomes itself. All this reeks of positivity cult dogma that uncritically affirms some conception of "happiness" as the point of life and never interrogates how fundamentally religious this spooky fetish is, effectively serving as an abandonment of the radical nihilism of Stirner and Gorgias – and active nihilist response of Nietzsche – for yet another foundational anchor to cope with the curse of existence and remedy the cosmic panic that ensues whenever these absurdities too wash away and leave one unmoored once again.

Nihilism, and the nihility of existence, is not a "problem" to "solve" or "avoid", but a reality to live and practice. Ataraxic/apatheitic approaches appear to do that, yet betray themselves in their foundationalist dogmata and reduce the existence of those possessed by them to the passive nihilism all around them rather than the active nihilism that distinguishes life from (its) existence. Consequently, they themselves are diminished into mere objects in the world rather than objectors to it, those subjected to existence rather than those who subject existence to them. Is that an authentic way to live? To reduce one's life to mere existence in the pursuit of abolishing its burdens? That, to me, seems like a bad faith approach to living, for it does not live – it merely exists in ways which avoid doing so. Living is a process of practicing living, not the state of becoming practico-inert. If what we want is to live, rather than merely exist, then we must empty ourselves of the latter in the pursuit of the former, even if this kenosis means that we too must hang from a cross.
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 No.579

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>>567
>>578
This is coming from someone who is deeply influenced by the ancient Greek philosophical traditions and who became enamoured with these Epicurean, Pyrrhonian, and Stoic responses to suffering (in much the same way I became enamoured with Buddhism), at least until I realised that even these cannot ground meaning or alleviate my existential dread or dispel the absurdity of my existence in ways that affirm a life worth living (eudaimonia) rather than merely experiences worth avoiding or an existence not worth having at all. They still left their marks in me: I still value and understand pleasure in much the same way Epicurus did, I still am a radical skeptic whenever I am not altogether anti-epistemological, I am still hostile to all manner of ideology and dogma and orthodoxy, and I still practice ataraxia and apatheia as methods in situations I deem demand it. But even they are not enough – even they will always be insufficient, always be insecure, always be unsustainable in the face of the Absurd, within the space of the abyss, in the place of absolute annihilation that is our cosmic condition. We can rebel, despite the absurdity of doing so, but unless we remain moving as multiplicative nomadic bodies in this plane we will always fall right through it.

These may indeed all be language games, the social hallucinations of spooked minds, but they have real consequences all the same and divesting from them does not leave you with peace, but only quiet – of suffering in silence and seeking salvation through the extinction of thought. What remains is not the birth of serenity, but the death of communication and with it the community that depends on it, a Gorgian void of isolated incomprehensibility where you are forever alone yet unable to express so even to yourself. Does that sound like happiness to you, Zerzan? Is that your mute nirvana?

I would rather suffer and live to speak it – and critique it – than subsist in silence, my existence already subsumed within the casket of my corpse beneath the grave that marks the end of my vocation to live. If you prefer the latter, believing it will finally let you rest in peace, then I can only hope against hope you won't find yourself banging against those casket walls, buried alive in the hole you dug for yourself, beneath all the filth you sought to escape, still yearning to be free; and that you successfully snuff out that flame that burns within you so that you can die alone, with nary a thought nor any one to hear it. Just don't be surprised if those of us not party to the desert death cult happen across your remains, search its eyes for any lingering glimmer of life, and move on with the conclusion that it had left long ago. But by then, you will have become so deadened inside that nothing will surprise you anymore.

It is precisely this which I believe characterises this world, which I see capitalism breed and produce and cultivate and promote within and around us (albeit in the most vulgar forms), which is precisely why I have nothing but contempt for it and seek to abolish it entirely. To succumb to such stultification is to become one with this world. I have no interest in being mere food for maggots, amongst the communism of the worms, in the anarchy of dirt. I am in no hurry to that abolition, though it too shall be part of my praxis, for only through living can its end be made endless through its legacy.

So no, I want nothing to do with this world. If you do, then may it be your tomb; but if you do not, if you yearn to be free, then only you can dig your way out of it – and help us all do the same.

I know that you're always tired comrade, just hold on a bit longer and I promise that we'll sleep when we return to the communism of the worms. Until then, live like you mean it.

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=SGFgEwItJ7A
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 No.580

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>>573
And relegate Tor users to second-class status? Do you not see how hostile such a decision is to proper participation in an imageboard? Can you not witness the worth that these images have in accentuating worthwhile discourse? Without them, my text walls are merely that, and all the more likely to be overlooked. Is that the world you want, where those of us who care about privacy and anonymity are punished for it on a website that purports to promote both – where those whose effort is made goes unnoticed?

Find another way to solve the problem of illegal media content; this way does not, for it only avoids the most common avenue whereby it is uploaded while doing nothing against preventing its dangers as such. I already suggested some options in >>>/leftypol/634803 and, like >>>/leftypol/645741 suggested, full-disc encryption may alone be sufficient to protect against any legal ramifications (though I consider that the bare minimum).

Anything short of that disregards the interests of those here penalised by such incompetence and inconsideration and reveals that, when faced with a challenge, the "solution" will always be to the detriment and degradation of this community so long as it is the most expedient for those governing it.
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 No.581

I saw that you posted Camatte in your reading list, what are your thoughts on him? Do you think Bordgism, if taken to it's conclusion will lead to the type of "primitivism" that Camatte preached?
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 No.583

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>>567
>>578
>>579
That song, by the way, was in many ways a response to his earlier one, "From Here to Utopia (Song for the Desperate)", and I still find myself oscillating between them in my daily life. Perhaps you do, too, and now for you is better characterised by it.

Live the Dream: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=Sl_gyMftEqg
Die the Nightmare: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=-Po1Lg-qpfk
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 No.584

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>>578
>>579
thanks, i'll check out that desert text.

unfortunately the inner reservation you recommend when engaging in reformist praxis is exactly what prevents me personally from finding any pleasure in it, especially when i remind myself that it is precisely people's participation that makes capitalism run ever smoother.

also i'm not sure i agree with you when you depict ataraxia as a sort of living death. to me the existential dread you describe arises only precisely when life has been ensnared by the shadow theatre of representation in its many manifestations (language, time, the commodity). ridding oneself of these and attaining peace of mind might be the only way to keep enjoyment from being sucked out of life in the name of some idol. you claim this conception of a happy life is itself a fetish, but then so is your idea of our inescapable cosmic condition. in fact, in the last instance, any form of scepticism has to be founded on some kind of certainty and despair seems to be yours just like happiness is mine.
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 No.586

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>>581
Do you want me to speculate on the logical conclusions of certain ideological perspectives such as Bordigism and Camatte's critiques, or do you want me to draw my own conclusions without regard for fidelity to them? Because I can attempt either, but I prefer the latter because I have no interest in upholding Bordigist thought or defending Camatte's primitivism (both of which I am also ruthlessly critical) nor in constraining myself within conceptual scopes that are more about dead textualism than living thought. I loot and appropriate what I want from Camatte's texts, as I do from all the others, with disregard for their intent and goals and a desire to draw my own conclusions through my own heterodox, syncretic theorisations therefrom. I am just as hostile to Camatte's reactionary primitivism as I am toward Bordiga's Leninist antidemocratism, even though both have influenced my thought and shaped it through my responses to them. So again, if what you want is for me to trip into a trance and bind my mind to a particular dogma so that I can see through its eyes and consider the thoughts therein, I can try, but I would rather my thoughts be my own and examine these ideas through my own vision.

In brief, I think Camatte provides a critical Marxian (and, later, post-Marxian) critique of Capital, the possibility for global revolution, and the timeline we currently inhabit in a way more palatable to Marxist and leftist perspectives than Nick Land likely would be. Nonetheless, both theoreticians resort to conclusions to which I am opposed, but I know that simply endeavouring against them is intellectually insufficient (and dialectically constipated); and for that reason I have sought to work through them toward the end of drawing conclusions which better satisfy my desires, often by reading them through the various lenses I create and collect.

As for Camatte's primitivist communism being a logical conclusion of Bordigism? In brief, I hesitate to connect the two in any direct and linear trajectory because both are more complex than such an analysis assumes (and Bordigism is not as monolithic and orthodox as it may initially seem). Moreover, Camatte's own conclusions seem to be drawn from his own readings and theorisations beyond the Bordigist framework – if that were not the case, then he would have never broke from Bordigism and, eventually, Marxism entirely and toward a new theory of primitive communal living.

This may not be surprising, however, given that every model, framework, ideology, or narrative – except, perhaps, those defined by their own recursive processual overcoming – has its limits and will eventually "conclude" at a cul-de-sac of theory and praxis which will only continue to deepen and thicken where it finally takes root and whose further horizontal pursuit necessitates its own overcoming and thus its own sublation/abolition (specifically: Aufheben). Camatte seemed to have reached that conclusion, or at least a conclusion, and broke through it into a radically new perspective. In this sense, Camatte's own conclusions are less a logical conclusion of Bordigism as it is a possible line of flight out of it, a conclusion beyond Bordigism that itself derives historically from Bordigism yet is no longer bound to it (and thus Bordigism is not bound by it).

So, if you are worried that you or those around you who may be Bordigists may someday metamorphose into Camattean primitivists, perhaps this indeterminacy – this contingency – will allay your fears. Yes, one can lead to the other, at least in part, as Camatte himself shows; but this is not the only way. Anyway, one can be influenced by Bordiga and Camatte while not succumbing to either's conclusions, and indeed synthesise entirely new conclusions that pursue radically different directions. I am a testament to that fact.

Does that suffice?
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 No.587

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It is becoming more and more difficult to post even here, as the 500s have steadily increased and my post submission attempts have with them. I shall continue to rage against the dying of the light, but it may not be long before I am erased altogether.
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 No.611

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Gonna miss your posts schizoanon. Whether you did it because you genuinely wanted leftypol to learn or because you love fighting, your posts really shook the board, which it needed.
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 No.620

I thought /dead/ was dead, nice to see it alive.
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 No.621

>>550
Nice to see you still posting. I am the anon who asked for recommendations in the CHAZ thread.
What are some projects, people and organizations, for a lack of a better word, either past or present, that you would consider a part of the real movement or actually practising communism?
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 No.635

It's a shame, your posts were a highlight of bunkerchan
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 No.640

>>587
I was the one who started stanning you and horny-posting. You have my info, so contact me you massive brain you.
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 No.646

>>550
Tor works again, thought you should know.
And I ain't dealing with this.
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 No.1451

>>587
Stop acting like this is some tragedy of your posting career because you're too lazy to learn good opsec that doesn't amount to nothing more than Tor browser

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